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Which crime in this thread was the worse so far (Political/War)

Unit 731
2
20%
Bush invading Iraq
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coup in Iran
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Assad using chemical weapons and torture
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Stalin
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30%
Hitler
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Russia invading Ukraine
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Saskatoon Freezing deaths
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Total votes : 10

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Postby The Aber » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:05 pm

Sordhau wrote:
The Aber wrote:Marx's parents conceiving.


Yes, yes, you hate the poor. Moving on...

I AM of the poor. I live in a shitty apartment where my rent is based on my objectively low-tier income. By the way, "unaffiliated Christian; aspiring Eastern Orthodox convert"? Bullshit. If you were that much of a 'comrade', you know that religion and the far-left are as compatible as an electrically conductive frayed wire and a flooded basement. They absolutely despise each other -- your dear Marx said it himself, as well as other philosophers who were "revolutionary heroes of the people". If you're absolutely blindsided by this well-known fact, then you shouldn't assume that I am of a higher economic class, because CLEARLY you don't know much.

Fuck, I may be desperate you improve my standard of living, but I ain't THAT goddamn desperate where I'd even think about going full narcissistic dumbass -- forsaking my faith & selling my friends and family out to some cause that doesn't give a shit if I live or die, only that I get your heroes to the top to the point where they can discard me as if I'm nothing. You can give THAT one up.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:45 pm

Sordhau wrote:
The Aber wrote:Marx's parents conceiving.


Yes, yes, you hate the poor. Moving on...


Because nobody cared about the poor before Marx, clearly.
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Postby Hamidiye » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:47 pm

Can we switch off the political circlejerk asnd return to toppic? You're not going to convince the Stalinist anyway, they're as irrational as any other religious person. :D
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Postby The South Sea Bubble » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:47 pm

The Aber wrote:Marx's parents conceiving.

Is this trolling/flaming? I honestly don't know. Bc this a serious thread.

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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:52 pm

Still waiting for the Chinese government to get their butt kicked for the Uyghur genocide, mishandling covid (or at least their intel about it), terrible labor conditions....

And now I'm 100 years old.
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Postby Sordhau » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:53 pm

The Aber wrote:I AM of the poor. I live in a shitty apartment where my rent is based on my objectively low-tier income.


Relatable.

By the way, "unaffiliated Christian; aspiring Eastern Orthodox convert"? Bullshit. If you were that much of a 'comrade', you know that religion and the far-left are as compatible as an electrically conductive frayed wire and a flooded basement. They absolutely despise each other -- your dear Marx said it himself, as well as other philosophers who were "revolutionary heroes of the people".


Marx was a brilliant man with a lot of good ideas, but he was wrong about religion. And I'm not the only Leftist aware of this fact.

If you're absolutely blindsided by this well-known fact, then you shouldn't assume that I am of a higher economic class, because CLEARLY you don't know much.


I never assumed you were of a higher economic class. I implied you hated the poor, as evidenced by your opposition to working class liberation. Worker self-hatred exists; it's called "class treason".

Fuck, I may be desperate you improve my standard of living, but I ain't THAT goddamn desperate where I'd even think about going full narcissistic dumbass -- forsaking my faith & selling my friends and family out to some cause that doesn't give a shit if I live or die, only that I get your heroes to the top to the point where they can discard me as if I'm nothing. You can give THAT one up.


You don't have the first clue about what Leftism is or what it stands for and are simply regurgitating the same propaganda elites have been pushing since labor unions were first conceptualized. But if you're willing to listen, there's no shortage of people willing to teach you. Ignorance is a choice.
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Postby Sordhau » Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:55 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Yes, yes, you hate the poor. Moving on...


Because nobody cared about the poor before Marx, clearly.


Of course not. But Marx was one of the few people who wanted a genuine end to poverty, and one of the few who had a vision on how to achieve this goal.
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Postby Hukhalia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:01 pm

marx wasn't really concerned with egalitarianism or poverty inasmuch as he was concerned with devising a scientific view of history that he then used as a platform to advocate proletarian liberation

if you want models of those who fought poverty and actually practiced liberation alongside being brilliant theorists, i recommend lenin stalin and mao
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Postby Sordhau » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:03 pm

Hukhalia wrote:marx wasn't really concerned with egalitarianism or poverty inasmuch as he was concerned with devising a scientific view of history that he then used as a platform to advocate proletarian liberation


I mean... proposing proletarian liberation sounds like concern for egalitarianism and poverty tbqh.
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Postby Hukhalia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:04 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:marx wasn't really concerned with egalitarianism or poverty inasmuch as he was concerned with devising a scientific view of history that he then used as a platform to advocate proletarian liberation


I mean... proposing proletarian liberation sounds like concern for egalitarianism and poverty tbqh.

marx was - and you can ask literally any philosophy nerd on this - not really an egalitarian
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Postby Sordhau » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:07 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
I mean... proposing proletarian liberation sounds like concern for egalitarianism and poverty tbqh.

marx was - and you can ask literally any philosophy nerd on this - not really an egalitarian


Oh yeah, I know. Dude was racist as fuck. Nevertheless it's hard to argue for egalitarianism (at least not honestly) without some degree of Marxism injected into it.
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Postby Hukhalia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:08 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:marx was - and you can ask literally any philosophy nerd on this - not really an egalitarian


Oh yeah, I know. Dude was racist as fuck. Nevertheless it's hard to argue for egalitarianism (at least not honestly) without some degree of Marxism injected into it.

no like literally the society of communism as a free and equal association of producers is not necessarily egalitarian
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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:08 pm

Sordhau wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:marx was - and you can ask literally any philosophy nerd on this - not really an egalitarian


Oh yeah, I know. Dude was racist as fuck. Nevertheless it's hard to argue for egalitarianism (at least not honestly) without some degree of Marxism injected into it.

Marx also believed economic inequality was natural lol not just race.
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Postby Sordhau » Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:11 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
Oh yeah, I know. Dude was racist as fuck. Nevertheless it's hard to argue for egalitarianism (at least not honestly) without some degree of Marxism injected into it.

no like literally the society of communism as a free and equal association of producers is not necessarily egalitarian


I would argue that Communism without Egalitarianism isn't proper Communism tbqh but we're getting off topic.
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Postby Liberian Imperium » Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:13 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
The Aber wrote:
That speaks volumes right there. All those deaths from Lenin to North Korea. Either from deliberate withholding of rations, purges, brutal imprisonment. All because of some emo discount Santa Claus and his shitpile books. No Nuremberg-style trials, or any type of effective action taken against these regimes and their leaders, nothing like that akin to the Nuremberg Trials against the Nazis. In fact, it feels like barely anyone batted an eye. The hypocrisy, the double standards, the blatant human rights abuses, the facades -- all from people who claimed they care for the oppressed, but in actuality just wanted their vote or support, so that they can later discard them like trash.

Yet that's not genuinely disgusting to you. Well, I shouldn't be surprised. You're an unironic pinko, so already I'm preparing for those cliche "CIA propaganda", "kulaks deserved it", or "not real communism" arguments that people throughout the past century managed to be moronic enough to fall for.

Most likely more than twice the amount of people killed off by the Nazis who also deserve respect. But no. All they get is victim-blaming and other forms of bullshit that your kind often spews out of your mouths.

Now THAT'S disgusting. No matter what your dear leaders slither in your ear.

stalin will be exonerated by history

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Postby Jewish Underground State » Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:28 pm

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Postby Juansonia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:31 pm

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Speaking of which, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy (I know GM was fined, but it was pathetically little.)
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Postby Trivalve » Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:48 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Trivalve wrote:What are some of the worst crimes you have heard of in which the preparator/s got away for the crimes? For me, it would be the Junko Furata Case. This is one of the most sickening crimes I have seen and I am absolutely disgusted that her attackers are still free to this day. Here is a link for what happened if you don't know it: Junko Furata Case (warning this can be quite distressing for some readers). Feel free to post your own crimes or discuss ones that have already been mentioned.

It's hard to understand what you mean when you say they "got away" when the four main perpetrators in your example were caught, prosecuted and convicted.

I would call their pathetic sentences getting away with it
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Trivalve wrote:What are some of the worst crimes you have heard of in which the preparator/s got away for the crimes? For me, it would be the Junko Furata Case. This is one of the most sickening crimes I have seen and I am absolutely disgusted that her attackers are still free to this day. Here is a link for what happened if you don't know it: Junko Furata Case (warning this can be quite distressing for some readers). Feel free to post your own crimes or discuss ones that have already been mentioned.

Oh good lord, Hopefully they have an equally painful punishment in the afterlife

Yeah hopefully, but then I still wish they get more of a punishment while they are still alive
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Postby Trivalve » Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:58 pm

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Postby Greater Jumbadinado » Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:07 pm

Jimmy Saville is truly something horrifying. Literally 2 days ago, I bought a book, and it scalded Saville as ‘creepy’ and degenerate’. It was written before his crimes were found out. F**ker even got knighted for his ‘Philanthropy’ and ‘work with children’…

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Postby Trivalve » Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:11 pm

Greater Jumbadinado wrote:Jimmy Saville is truly something horrifying. Literally 2 days ago, I bought a book, and it scalded Saville as ‘creepy’ and degenerate’. It was written before his crimes were found out. F**ker even got knighted for his ‘Philanthropy’ and ‘work with children’…

I agree that his crimes were terrible, to ruin a child life so early even with some of them not understanding what is going on is unforgivable. However, I feel like to do what those boys did to Junko Furata 500 times including torturing her in unspeakable ways is worse of a crime.
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Postby Hukhalia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:15 pm

it comes down to a matter of quantity. what happened to junko furata was absolutely disgusting, but jimmy savile fucked up way more people
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Postby Greater Jumbadinado » Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:17 pm

Trivalve wrote:
Greater Jumbadinado wrote:Jimmy Saville is truly something horrifying. Literally 2 days ago, I bought a book, and it scalded Saville as ‘creepy’ and degenerate’. It was written before his crimes were found out. F**ker even got knighted for his ‘Philanthropy’ and ‘work with children’…

I agree that his crimes were terrible, to ruin a child life so early even with some of them not understanding what is going on is unforgivable. However, I feel like to do what those boys did to Junko Furata 500 times including torturing her in unspeakable ways is worse of a crime.

Definitely, I just picked Saville as I wasn’t too sure on the story, but in the end, they all go to hell, at least in my mind.

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Postby Trivalve » Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:25 pm

Hukhalia wrote:it comes down to a matter of quantity. what happened to junko furata was absolutely disgusting, but jimmy savile fucked up way more people

Fair enough, I guess in a way that does make it worse. but then there is the fact on who was more Evil because of it. Lets put it down to the seven deadly sins. I would put Jimmy Savile under Lust and Greed for his 'sexual desires' (lust) and his desire to do it over an over again (greed). For the boys who raped Junko Furata, I would put them under Lust, Greed, Wrath, and pride for the enjoyment of raping her (lust), doing it 500 times (greed), for torturing her whenever they got angry (wrath) and for picking her because she rejected one of the boys (pride)
Greater Jumbadinado wrote:
Trivalve wrote:I agree that his crimes were terrible, to ruin a child life so early even with some of them not understanding what is going on is unforgivable. However, I feel like to do what those boys did to Junko Furata 500 times including torturing her in unspeakable ways is worse of a crime.

Definitely, I just picked Saville as I wasn’t too sure on the story, but in the end, they all go to hell, at least in my mind.

I can agree with your last statement
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Postby Hukhalia » Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:37 pm

Trivalve wrote:Fair enough, I guess in a way that does make it worse. but then there is the fact on who was more Evil because of it. Lets put it down to the seven deadly sins. I would put Jimmy Savile under Lust and Greed for his 'sexual desires' (lust) and his desire to do it over an over again (greed). For the boys who raped Junko Furata, I would put them under Lust, Greed, Wrath, and pride for the enjoyment of raping her (lust), doing it 500 times (greed), for torturing her whenever they got angry (wrath) and for picking her because she rejected one of the boys (pride)

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