The war in Somalia

[Islamic Essarn]

First of all you caused some of Somalia’s problems and second of all the world has responsibility to care for other nations, third of all Somalia will probably be at war for ever then.

So what? No, the world doesn't. Sucks to be them then I guess.

Okay, I’ll tell the Canadians not to let any Americans into their country in the event of a civil

[Islamic Essarn]

First of all you caused some of Somalia’s problems and second of all the world has responsibility to care for other nations, third of all Somalia will probably be at war for ever then.

Haha no, I hold zero responsibility for Somalia's past, present, and future and if that's the case then so be it, it's not my country and not my people.

If you are American then you have bombed Somalia and destroyed schools and hospitals for your own interest.

[Jewish Underground State]

Haha no, I hold zero responsibility for Somalia's past, present, and future and if that's the case then so be it, it's not my country and not my people.

If you are American then you have bombed Somalia and destroyed schools and hospitals for your own interest.

Not every freaking american bombed schools in Somalia. It was the nationalist government that destroyed Somalia. If they hadn't attacked Ethiopia Somalia could be a working state.

[Paddy O Fernature]

So what? No, the world doesn't. Sucks to be them then I guess.

Maybe we could do the Teddy Roosevelt method of getting in and then getting out.

I'd rather just not get involved all together honestly.

So what? No, the world doesn't. Sucks to be them then I guess.

Okay, I’ll tell the Canadians not to let any Americans into their country in the event of a civil

You do that.

Haha no, I hold zero responsibility for Somalia's past, present, and future and if that's the case then so be it, it's not my country and not my people.

If you are American then you have bombed Somalia and destroyed schools and hospitals for your own interest.

Yeah no, that's not how that works by any stretch of the means.

[Jewish Underground State]

There isn't much we can do to help Somalia.

The American public doesn't want another conflict on the other side of the world

Somalia is kind of screwed.

[Islamic Essarn]

There isn't much we can do to help Somalia.

The American public doesn't want another conflict on the other side of the world

Somalia is kind of screwed.

Helping Somalia does’t mean conflict or nation building, all it need is for us to fund Somali schools, train Somali teacher and doctors, and give Somali Farmers the stuff to farm effectively. That’s it.

[Islamic Essarn]

If you are American then you have bombed Somalia and destroyed schools and hospitals for your own interest.

Not every freaking american bombed schools in Somalia. It was the nationalist government that destroyed Somalia. If they hadn't attacked Ethiopia Somalia could be a working state.

No, no but you can’t just ignore something that you have helped to cause until it comes back to bite you.

[Paddy O Fernature]

There isn't much we can do to help Somalia.

The American public doesn't want another conflict on the other side of the world

Somalia is kind of screwed.

Helping Somalia does’t mean conflict or nation building, all it need is for us to fund Somali schools, train Somali teacher and doctors, and give Somali Farmers the stuff to farm effectively. That’s it.

Sounds to me like a bunch of things the locals should handle themselves.

[Hukhalia]

Helping Somalia does’t mean conflict or nation building, all it need is for us to fund Somali schools, train Somali teacher and doctors, and give Somali Farmers the stuff to farm effectively. That’s it.

Sounds to me like a bunch of things the locals should handle themselves.

If you're going to hand everything off to the locals, the US better cease engaging with any and all economic activity that so much as brushes past Somalia.

[Informed Consent]

I mean America can. But the thing is with "humanitarian" aid is that it's frequently done in many cases to foster a dependency. This is why the USA will give out food, ingredients, and medical supplies but is very hesitant to train doctors, provide agricultural machinery + training, etc.

All EU and UN agricultural, environmental, and medical involvement in Africa revolves around that policy outline as Europe has always feared that some its second world status would be threatened by an Africa that attained mostly second world status.
A natural concern when globally pushing pro-scarcity economic and environmental models of which both continents have been maintained as human testing grounds for mad science both political and pseudo-forensic.

The US State Department is an institution of progressive globalists more loyal to the Secretary General of the UN than its nation's own constitution, and follows suit.

[Hukhalia]

I mean America can. But the thing is with "humanitarian" aid is that it's frequently done in many cases to foster a dependency. This is why the USA will give out food, ingredients, and medical supplies but is very hesitant to train doctors, provide agricultural machinery + training, etc.

All EU and UN agricultural, environmental, and medical involvement in Africa revolves around that policy outline as Europe has always feared that some its second world status would be threatened by an Africa that attained mostly second world status.
A natural concern when globally pushing pro-scarcity economic and environmental models.

The US State Department is an institution of progressive globalists more loyal to the Secretary General of the UN than its nation's own constitution, and follows suit.

progressive globalism is when you make third world countries dependent on the first world for their continued (not quite starving) existence

[Biladu Al Rafidayn]

Go to Afghanistan and Iraq. We left those countries in an unstable mess. Iraq got worse then we came to it and Afghanistan is back under terrorist control

Iraq isn’t doing too bad now actually

Having power cuts every few minutes is doing quite bad, I think. Family and/or friends told me that there was even power cuts in the Green Zone

[Jewish Underground State]

Helping Somalia does’t mean conflict or nation building, all it need is for us to fund Somali schools, train Somali teacher and doctors, and give Somali Farmers the stuff to farm effectively. That’s it.

Sounds to me like a bunch of things the locals should handle themselves.

They are. And it has turned into a hell. People want peace over freedom

[Hukhalia]

Sounds to me like a bunch of things the locals should handle themselves.

They are. And it has turned into a hell. People want peace over freedom

the locals aren't handling somalia themselves tbh, this is all engineered by a world order that places their destinies firmly outside of their control

[Informed Consent]

All EU and UN agricultural, environmental, and medical involvement in Africa revolves around that policy outline as Europe has always feared that some its second world status would be threatened by an Africa that attained mostly second world status.
A natural concern when globally pushing pro-scarcity economic and environmental models.

The US State Department is an institution of progressive globalists more loyal to the Secretary General of the UN than its nation's own constitution, and follows suit.

progressive globalism is when you make third world countries dependent on the first world for their continued (not quite starving) existence

Exactly my point, with the added bonus of all of that dependence draining away the US and EU's economic status so that more desirable collectively managed societies may supersede and better command the world stage.

Unfortunately the inherent flaws of collective command and control economies will never be able to maintain that scale of administration, and we all eventually lose when the math catches up to us.
The more we try to herd the entire species under one uniform standard of politics or economics, the more we shoot ourselves in the foot and invite disaster, perpetuated by those whose ideological foundation is predicated on taking advantage of disasters to advance and broaden their authority.

[Jewish Underground State]

They are. And it has turned into a hell. People want peace over freedom

the locals aren't handling somalia themselves tbh, this is all engineered by a world order that places their destinies firmly outside of their control

That's the case with every nation. Even america has to deal with things that the other UN members put on them. As much as it is crazy to say America does not have the control on the world that it used to.

[Hukhalia]

progressive globalism is when you make third world countries dependent on the first world for their continued (not quite starving) existence

Exactly my point.

...i think we're using different definitions

[Jewish Underground State]

progressive globalism is when you make third world countries dependent on the first world for their continued (not quite starving) existence

Exactly my point, with the added bonus of all of that dependence draining away the US and EU's economic status so that more desirable collectively managed societies may supersede and better command the world stage.

The USA and EU aren't running the world. China has challenged their ruling so many times and they have the power to back up. We have to quit blaming the US and EU for every event in a small east african country.

[Islamic Essarn]

Helping Somalia does’t mean conflict or nation building, all it need is for us to fund Somali schools, train Somali teacher and doctors, and give Somali Farmers the stuff to farm effectively. That’s it.

Sounds to me like a bunch of things the locals should handle themselves.

Do you expect a group of people who have been at war for 30 years to be able to afford any of these stuff

[Islamic Essarn]

They are. And it has turned into a hell. People want peace over freedom

the locals aren't handling somalia themselves tbh, this is all engineered by a world order that places their destinies firmly outside of their control

Yeah, we need to supply people what they need to become a working, not random stuff that just makes them dependent on the rest of the world.

[Islamic Essarn]

Exactly my point, with the added bonus of all of that dependence draining away the US and EU's economic status so that more desirable collectively managed societies may supersede and better command the world stage.

The USA and EU aren't running the world. China has challenged their ruling so many times and they have the power to back up. We have to quit blaming the US and EU for every event in a small east african country.

Not blaming the EU and US for everything, just saying you need to stop making poor nation completely dependent on them for money and start helping them become functioning states by giving them thing like farming materials, and training essential workers.

[Informed Consent]

Exactly my point.

...i think we're using different definitions

Most likely.
With everyone claiming to be the good guy, and no one copping to being the bad guy, precise definition is impossible.
As a wiser man than me once said, "The truth depends on your point of view.".

The USA and EU aren't running the world. China has challenged their ruling so many times and they have the power to back up. We have to quit blaming the US and EU for every event in a small east african country.

Indeed, the US and EU have their hands full just trying to ruin the western world.
Tossing in Chinese strategic interests and asset management in Africa, its six of one or half dozen of the other as to is primarily responsible for any three way conflict of interest between the natives, western consortiums, and CCP.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Sounds to me like a bunch of things the locals should handle themselves.

Do you expect a group of people who have been at war for 30 years to be able to afford any of these stuff

If they can afford to wage war, then they can afford to wage peace.

[Informed Consent]

If they can afford to wage war, then they can afford to wage peace.

Affordability and desirability are two different things.
Even absent colonial interference inter-African relations are volatile, and the continent will continue to reorganize itself into a purely native defined face after centuries of colonial manipulation that is still ongoing.
The continent will never know peace until it is allowed to evolve it per its own will.
It is far past time to apply the lessons ignored from the world wars and previous imperial eras.
Societal evolution is an organic process, and like the biological the best adaptations are reached by allowing the constituent elements complete freedom to form the most optimal systems of their own accord.

[Hukhalia]

Do you expect a group of people who have been at war for 30 years to be able to afford any of these stuff

If they can afford to wage war, then they can afford to wage peace.

Do you have any idea how war reproduces itself lol