The war in Somalia

[Bear Stearns]

how about we give it back to the somali people, v. novel idea

Helping Somalia should not be military, it should be humanitarian.

you act like "humanitarian" aid does not have strings attached

[Islamic Essarn]

Helping Somalia should not be military, it should be humanitarian.

you act like "humanitarian" aid does not have strings attached

Normally it does, but we can do it without strings.

[Bear Stearns]

you act like "humanitarian" aid does not have strings attached

Normally it does, but we can do it without strings.

lol

[Jewish Underground State]

At this point. That's fine. Whenever the usa does something in the islamic world they only make things worse.

This is not true. The United States is the single largest donor of humanitarian assistance in Ethiopia, Kenya, and Somalia, and is responsible for saving millions of Somali lives both in Somalia, and in refugee camps in neighboring countries.

It's just that you never hear about that, and the US never gets a shred of credit for it.

Go to Afghanistan and Iraq. We left those countries in an unstable mess. Iraq got worse then we came to it and Afghanistan is back under terrorist control

[Informed Consent]

how about we give it back to the somali people, v. novel idea

Helping Somalia should not be military, it should be humanitarian.

Fighting fire with fire may be a problem for ethical consideration, but depending upon the circumstances, physics makes a clear cut case for it.

From the American perspective, the UN was failing in its mandate to get food to people without directly engaging the paramilitary elements taking the food.
So they call us, and we effectively counter those elements allowing UN relief efforts to actually relieve the civilians.

But for the effectiveness of 20,000 marines under the leadership of a progressive president to make UN peacekeeping look so inept on CNN was very bad for the global brand, so we were pulled out, and a few hundred Army special operators were left with a mandate to capture top tier personalities while the UN went back to being savaged by militia resuming the confiscation of relief supplies, and the script for "Black Hawk Down" was written for the Scott brothers.

I do not think we have learned much since, especially considering that many of our mistakes then were predicated on prior experience ignored.

[Islamic Essarn]

If we fund schools and give livestock and food to the people (especially people in rural areas) then we can prevent more people from joining terrorist organizations out of desperation.

[Islamic Essarn]

Helping Somalia should not be military, it should be humanitarian.

Fighting fire with fire may be a problem for ethical consideration, but depending upon the circumstances, physics makes a clear cut case for it.

From the American perspective, the UN was failing in its mandate to get food to people without directly engaging the paramilitary elements taking the food.
So they call us, and we effectively counter those elements allowing UN relief efforts to actually relieve the civilians.

But for the effectiveness of 20,000 marines under the leadership of a progressive president to make UN peacekeeping look so inept on CNN was very bad for the global brand, so we were pulled out, and a few hundred Army special operators were left with a mandate to capture top tier personalities while the UN went back to being savaged by militia resuming the confiscation of relief supplies, and the script for "Black Hawk Down" was written for the Scott brothers.

I do not think we have learned much since, especially considering that many of our mistakes then were predicated on prior experience ignored.

If the UN is failing to give people food then we should try to give the people food

[Thermodolia]

This is not true. The United States is the single largest donor of humanitarian assistance in Ethiopia, Kenya, and Somalia, and is responsible for saving millions of Somali lives both in Somalia, and in refugee camps in neighboring countries.

It's just that you never hear about that, and the US never gets a shred of credit for it.

Go to Afghanistan and Iraq. We left those countries in an unstable mess. Iraq got worse then we came to it and Afghanistan is back under terrorist control

Iraq isn’t doing too bad now actually

[Jewish Underground State]

Go to Afghanistan and Iraq. We left those countries in an unstable mess. Iraq got worse then we came to it and Afghanistan is back under terrorist control

Iraq isn’t doing too bad now actually

It's not great either

[Islamic Essarn]

Go to Afghanistan and Iraq. We left those countries in an unstable mess. Iraq got worse then we came to it and Afghanistan is back under terrorist control

Iraq isn’t doing too bad now actually

I’d say it was more stable before we went though, plus it’s ruined our reputation.

[Thermodolia]

Iraq isn’t doing too bad now actually

I’d say it was more stable before we went though, plus it’s ruined our reputation.

You don’t get to claim this Royal we when you say you aren’t an American but British.

Second sure it was more stable before, never should’ve invaded only removed Saddam via a coup.

But Iraq didn’t damage the US reputation, not by a long shot

[Isle of Westland]

Maybe instead of trying to get rid of this generation of terrorist, the USA should focus on stopping the next generation by actually trying to improve the Somali economy which would stop as manny desperate people join terrorist organizations.

Perhaps the Somali people should take the lead in sorting their own country out... I don't see why it should be anyone else's problem.

[Islamic Essarn]

I’d say it was more stable before we went though, plus it’s ruined our reputation.

You don’t get to claim this Royal we when you say you aren’t an American but British.

Second sure it was more stable before, never should’ve invaded only removed Saddam via a coup.

But Iraq didn’t damage the US reputation, not by a long shot

The claim that there were chemical weapons in Iraq is constantly brought up on Russian television to undermine American clams that Russia is doing something illegal.

[Thermodolia]

You don’t get to claim this Royal we when you say you aren’t an American but British.

Second sure it was more stable before, never should’ve invaded only removed Saddam via a coup.

But Iraq didn’t damage the US reputation, not by a long shot

The claim that there were chemical weapons in Iraq is constantly brought up on Russian television to undermine American clams that Russia is doing something illegal.

That’s not a reputation ruiner. Russia state media has done that “whataboutism” since the beginning of the Cold War.

Whenever the US coup’d a government or did something bad the Russian media would constantly bring it up to claim they aren’t doing anything wrong whatabout the US

[Islamic Essarn]

Maybe instead of trying to get rid of this generation of terrorist, the USA should focus on stopping the next generation by actually trying to improve the Somali economy which would stop as manny desperate people join terrorist organizations.

Perhaps the Somali people should take the lead in sorting their own country out... I don't see why it should be anyone else's problem.

First of all you caused some of Somalia’s problems and second of all the world has responsibility to care for other nations, third of all Somalia will probably be at war for ever then.

[Hukhalia]

you act like "humanitarian" aid does not have strings attached

Normally it does, but we can do it without strings.

I mean America can. But the thing is with "humanitarian" aid is that it's frequently done in many cases to foster a dependency. This is why the USA will give out food, ingredients, and medical supplies but is very hesitant to train doctors, provide agricultural machinery + training, etc.

[Islamic Essarn]

The claim that there were chemical weapons in Iraq is constantly brought up on Russian television to undermine American clams that Russia is doing something illegal.

That’s not a reputation ruiner. Russia state media has done that “whataboutism” since the beginning of the Cold War.

Whenever the US coup’d a government or did something bad the Russian media would constantly bring it up to claim they aren’t doing anything wrong whatabout the US

Yes i know, but it also ruined are reputation with European allies. Also America should’ve try and remove leaders with coups.

[Islamic Essarn]

Normally it does, but we can do it without strings.

I mean America can. But the thing is with "humanitarian" aid is that it's frequently done in many cases to foster a dependency. This is why the USA will give out food, ingredients, and medical supplies but is very hesitant to train doctors, provide agricultural machinery + training, etc.

Yeah, but we can definitely do that.

[Hukhalia]

I mean America can. But the thing is with "humanitarian" aid is that it's frequently done in many cases to foster a dependency. This is why the USA will give out food, ingredients, and medical supplies but is very hesitant to train doctors, provide agricultural machinery + training, etc.

Yeah, but we can definitely do that.

America can. But they won't. Because Empires are Empires, and all that bullshit comes attached on strings.

[Thermodolia]

That’s not a reputation ruiner. Russia state media has done that “whataboutism” since the beginning of the Cold War.

Whenever the US coup’d a government or did something bad the Russian media would constantly bring it up to claim they aren’t doing anything wrong whatabout the US

Yes i know, but it also ruined are reputation with European allies. Also America should’ve try and remove leaders with coups.

Not really no. There was a slight miffedness but by and large the European Allie’s don’t give a shit anymore

[Jewish Underground State]

Yes i know, but it also ruined are reputation with European allies. Also America should’ve try and remove leaders with coups.

Not really no. There was a slight miffedness but by and large the European Allie’s don’t give a shit anymore

They only give a shit if it involves them

[Pridelantic people]

the only part of Somalia that seems stable is Somaliland and maybe Puntland. Interesting read

[Paddy O Fernature]

Perhaps the Somali people should take the lead in sorting their own country out... I don't see why it should be anyone else's problem.

First of all you caused some of Somalia’s problems and second of all the world has responsibility to care for other nations, third of all Somalia will probably be at war for ever then.

So what? No, the world doesn't. Sucks to be them then I guess.

[Isle of Westland]

Perhaps the Somali people should take the lead in sorting their own country out... I don't see why it should be anyone else's problem.

First of all you caused some of Somalia’s problems and second of all the world has responsibility to care for other nations, third of all Somalia will probably be at war for ever then.

Haha no, I hold zero responsibility for Somalia's past, present, and future and if that's the case then so be it, it's not my country and not my people.

[Jewish Underground State]

First of all you caused some of Somalia’s problems and second of all the world has responsibility to care for other nations, third of all Somalia will probably be at war for ever then.

So what? No, the world doesn't. Sucks to be them then I guess.

Maybe we could do the Teddy Roosevelt method of getting in and then getting out.