The war in Somalia

[Islamic Essarn]

I thunk we need top discus this in order to have a full conversation about are entrance.
The USA is entering Somalia again in my opinion this could be a good thing but only if the military uses there power in the interest of Somali people and not as just an attempt to knock out as many terrorists as possible. This feels unlikely but unfortunately there is’t much hope the Somali people any way. Using this imformation I personally think that instead going into Somalia with the military we need invest in aid workers and supply food because if we don’t then people will suffer and in the end that’s what we most try and stop in this war.
Here’s some more information on Somalia and its war.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... iden-trump https://www.economist.com/middle-east-a ... lk-to-them https://www.justsecurity.org/80921/stil ... ot-somalia.

[Islamic Essarn]

Water supplies in Somalia are very low at the moment

[Shofercia]

Water supplies in Somalia are very low at the moment

Ah Somalia, a country at war since 1991. They actually had an entire generation grow up in a war zone, ain't that crazy? Ironically the currency is called SOS.

[Jewish Underground State]

Again into the Islamic World?

America...you'll never learn

[Hukhalia]

"unelected president invites american troops to rape his country"

compradors are such awful people, on god

[Jewish Underground State]

"unelected president invites american troops to rape his country"

compradors are such awful people, on god

Somalia is just anarchy. Its amazing to me that's its still considered a country when it can't rule itself.

[Farnhamia]

If one reads the Guardian article linked in the OP, the number of US troops is to be about 450. There were some 750 troops there until the last weeks of the Trump administration, when they were abruptly withdrawn. Since that time al-Shabbab has stepped up its attacks. Just saying ...

[Hukhalia]

"unelected president invites american troops to rape his country"

compradors are such awful people, on god

Somalia is just anarchy. Its amazing to me that's its still considered a country when it can't rule itself.

Somalia isn't even anarchy, there exists a bunch of unofficial societies and institutions which govern it in a rather decentral manner (as opposed to the government, who govern fuck all). The Somalian government is just a bunch of dudes who sit about like "yeah we're in charge" with little actual connection to the life of your average Somalian. It's fucking atrocious that they get to call in the yanks to go commit some war crimes there.

[Hukhalia]

If one reads the Guardian article linked in the OP, the number of US troops is to be about 450. There were some 750 troops there until the last weeks of the Trump administration, when they were abruptly withdrawn. Since that time al-Shabbab has stepped up its attacks. Just saying ...

you do realise that these terrorist groups don't just pop out of nowhere because a bunch of people got together and decided to be bastards to other humans, they arise due to religious fanaticism spurred by a lack of development and general isolation wrought by poor conditions of life and society in the developing world. you don't change these issues by going into the developing world and blowing shit up.

[Jewish Underground State]

Somalia is just anarchy. Its amazing to me that's its still considered a country when it can't rule itself.

Somalia isn't even anarchy, there exists a bunch of unofficial societies and institutions which govern it in a rather decentral manner (as opposed to the government, who govern fuck all). The Somalian government is just a bunch of dudes who sit about like "yeah we're in charge" with little actual connection to the life of your average Somalian. It's fucking atrocious that they get to call in the yanks to go commit some war crimes there.

So they are just the syria of africa (up there with Libya)

[Hukhalia]

Somalia isn't even anarchy, there exists a bunch of unofficial societies and institutions which govern it in a rather decentral manner (as opposed to the government, who govern fuck all). The Somalian government is just a bunch of dudes who sit about like "yeah we're in charge" with little actual connection to the life of your average Somalian. It's fucking atrocious that they get to call in the yanks to go commit some war crimes there.

So they are just the syria of africa (up there with Libya)

tbh at least the governments of syria and libya *have* authority, assad has his armies and libya has formed a tentative transitional govt. somalia's government has jack shit and most of their decisions have about as much weight as if they'd made a forum post on II or NS about it

[Farnhamia]

If one reads the Guardian article linked in the OP, the number of US troops is to be about 450. There were some 750 troops there until the last weeks of the Trump administration, when they were abruptly withdrawn. Since that time al-Shabbab has stepped up its attacks. Just saying ...

you do realise that these terrorist groups don't just pop out of nowhere because a bunch of people got together and decided to be bastards to other humans, they arise due to religious fanaticism spurred by a lack of development and general isolation wrought by poor conditions of life and society in the developing world. you don't change these issues by going into the developing world and blowing shit up.

Source that the American troops Trump withdrew and Biden is replacing were "blowing shit up"? I know that America has never done anything right, not since ... well, probably never but I would like to see the occasional source for statements like that. You seem to be implying that the US is responsible for al-Shabbab's existence, so ...

[Hukhalia]

you do realise that these terrorist groups don't just pop out of nowhere because a bunch of people got together and decided to be bastards to other humans, they arise due to religious fanaticism spurred by a lack of development and general isolation wrought by poor conditions of life and society in the developing world. you don't change these issues by going into the developing world and blowing shit up.

Source that the American troops Trump withdrew and Biden is replacing were "blowing shit up"? I know that America has never done anything right, not since ... well, probably never but I would like to see the occasional source for statements like that. You seem to be implying that the US is responsible for al-Shabbab's existence, so ...

Not implying that it's responsible, just noting that it hardly helps. Necessarily when a nation's forces are in a region to stabilise it - and, let's face it, "nation-building" isn't the yanks' strong suit as ostentated by Afghanistan - they'll wind up getting into combat and this leads to what Americans call "collateral", like what happened in Afghanistan when children's hospitals got accidentally bombed by the USA. The article even states that many attacks were on US personnel, meaning there's active combat between these lads. That's not good for the future of Somalia, because it'll only make it more destitute and American troops can't stay there forever.

[Islamic Essarn]

Maybe instead of trying to get rid of this generation of terrorist, the USA should focus on stopping the next generation by actually trying to improve the Somali economy which would stop as manny desperate people join terrorist organizations.

[Jewish Underground State]

Maybe instead of trying to get rid of this generation of terrorist, the USA should focus on stopping the next generation by actually trying to improve the Somali economy which would stop as manny desperate people join terrorist organizations.

That's never gonna happen. Were to stupid to give that thought

[Islamic Essarn]

Maybe instead of trying to get rid of this generation of terrorist, the USA should focus on stopping the next generation by actually trying to improve the Somali economy which would stop as manny desperate people join terrorist organizations.

That's never gonna happen. Were to stupid to give that thought

It could happen theoretically.

[Jewish Underground State]

That's never gonna happen. Were to stupid to give that thought

It could happen theoretically.

Yeah it can but IRL never. America has never gave a damn about rebuilding nations since the 1950s

[Islamic Essarn]

Maybe instead of trying to get rid of this generation of terrorist, the USA should focus on stopping the next generation by actually trying to improve the Somali economy which would stop as manny desperate people join terrorist organizations.

That's never gonna happen. Were to stupid to give that thought

I suppose we would still have Somaliland to deal with.

[Islamic Essarn]

It could happen theoretically.

Yeah it can but IRL never. America has never gave a damn about rebuilding nations since the 1950s

This doesn’t have to be nation building.

[Islamic Essarn]

Water supplies in Somalia are very low at the moment

Ah Somalia, a country at war since 1991. They actually had an entire generation grow up in a war zone, ain't that crazy? Ironically the currency is called SOS.

It is so crazy. We, the Somali people, deserve so much more.

[Saiwania]

Because Somalia has been in civil war for too long and has no effective navy, a lot of foreign vessels illegally overfished Somalia's waters and unscrupulous companies sailing through dumped toxic waste there, which has taken away the economic livelihood of most of Somalia's fishermen and coastal residents. So for a time, they did resort to piracy, until foreign navies intervened and got that more under control.

If Somalia's central government ever regains control domestically, I'd say it is crucial that they invest in a good navy and get some treaties going with neighboring states to get some mutual interest projects to succeed.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Maybe instead of trying to get rid of this generation of terrorist, the USA should focus on stopping the next generation by actually trying to improve the Somali economy which would stop as manny desperate people join terrorist organizations.

Or better yet, the US can just give the country the middle finger and pull out completely and focus on it's own problems for a change. Let the locals sleep in the bed they have made.

Ah Somalia, a country at war since 1991. They actually had an entire generation grow up in a war zone, ain't that crazy? Ironically the currency is called SOS.

It is so crazy. We, the Somali people, deserve so much more.

Didn't you just tell me in another thread that you currently are living in the US, but consider yourself a citizen of the UK? Now you are one of the people of Somali.

Huh.

[Jewish Underground State]

Maybe instead of trying to get rid of this generation of terrorist, the USA should focus on stopping the next generation by actually trying to improve the Somali economy which would stop as manny desperate people join terrorist organizations.

Or better yet, the US can just give the country the middle finger and pull out completely and focus on it's own problems for a change. Let the locals sleep in the bed they have made.

At this point. That's fine. Whenever the usa does something in the islamic world they only make things worse.

[Space Squid]

Or better yet, the US can just give the country the middle finger and pull out completely and focus on it's own problems for a change. Let the locals sleep in the bed they have made.

At this point. That's fine. Whenever the usa does something in the islamic world they only make things worse.

This is not true. The United States is the single largest donor of humanitarian assistance in Ethiopia, Kenya, and Somalia, and is responsible for saving millions of Somali lives both in Somalia, and in refugee camps in neighboring countries.

It's just that you never hear about that, and the US never gets a shred of credit for it.

[Free Algerstonia]

At this point. That's fine. Whenever the usa does something in the islamic world they only make things worse.

This is not true. The United States is the single largest donor of humanitarian assistance in Ethiopia, Kenya, and Somalia, and is responsible for saving millions of Somali lives both in Somalia, and in refugee camps in neighboring countries.

It's just that you never hear about that, and the US never gets a shred of credit for it.

Good news doesn't draw clicks, after all.