Police Reform in the United States

[Hukhalia]

because it is the final step on the grand stage of history and it must be actualised lest we all perish

This whole argument of yours comes of as a push for an ideology that only works on paper and you have no interest in actual reform of the police.

yeah, except communism does work and it's glorious

[Indomitable Friendship]

Why? I can handle my own business & so can everyone else.


Since I can't touch 1 of the fundamental aspects of this, I will tell you that Somalia has almost 16 million people. That is way too many for such an underdeveloped economy in a land not conducive for quantity food production. Somalia needs to fix it's overpopulation before anything else.

so every man and woman for themselves and no one to enforce the laws of the state?

People form groups; they can set their own collective standards. Small towns can do this, urban neighborhoods can do this & so on. Like I said earlier, we also have to change the social factors surrounding it all, too.

[San Lumen]

This whole argument of yours comes of as a push for an ideology that only works on paper and you have no interest in actual reform of the police.

yeah, except communism does work and it's glorious

No it doesn't.

You can have the two reforms I agreed with and not have a communist government.

[Gravlen]

Abolish it, full stop. Build more homeless shelters, fund free drug rehabilitation centers, completely overhaul the education system, completely legalize abortion & institute free college.

And who is going to enforce the law? Someone gets murdered. Who is going to do the investigation and press charges?

The people who force false confessions and frames innocent people now, when they aren't killing people in the streets?

[Hukhalia]

yeah, except communism does work and it's glorious

No it doesn't.

You can have the two reforms I agreed with and not have a communist government.

yeah but the communism is the most important paaaarrrttt, it's class warfare darling

[San Lumen]

so every man and woman for themselves and no one to enforce the laws of the state?

People form groups; they can set their own collective standards. Small towns can do this, urban neighborhoods can do this & so on. Like I said earlier, we also have to change the social factors surrounding it all, too.

A collection of neighborhoods is a town or city.

setting collective standards is what's called a government.

[San Lumen]

And who is going to enforce the law? Someone gets murdered. Who is going to do the investigation and press charges?

The people who force false confessions and frames innocent people now, when they aren't killing people in the streets?

There is something else we need to change but full abolition isn't the answer.

[Block Bottom]

06/03/2022

Recently, in the United States, Biden and the Democratic Party have made comments about demilitarizing the police and banning assault rifles from being owned by private citizens. This in my opinion is appalling and the president has no authority to touch the law and amendments of our country. His priority and legal obligation is to lead our country. It is not his duty to be concerned about the people’s rights and laws. Laws are the reason why we have the three branches of government. Biden and the Democratic Party has no authority to change and eliminate laws and amendments of the constitution. The second amendment, in my opinion, is one of the most important rights that the American people have. It gives us the right to protect and defend ourselves and others from the harm that this country faces. Now, demilitarizing the police which is the main topic here could change everything. The reasons as too why police have military-grade equipment is because they have to face criminals with equal or more power due to the harm and destruction that can be cause by criminals. And once again, the president has no authority over law enforcement hence why every state has a “GOVERNOR, ” to deal with state matters.

[Ifreann]

so every man and woman for themselves and no one to enforce the laws of the state?

Might not be long before the laws of the state say that as a gay man, you are a criminal. Certainly abortion will be criminalised in a few months. Several states are passing laws requiring that children be subjected to internal and external examination of their anatomy to stop the hated transes from playing sports.

[Thermodolia]

And who is going to enforce the law? Someone gets murdered. Who is going to do the investigation and press charges?

The people who force false confessions and frames innocent people now, when they aren't killing people in the streets?

Or are trying to fleece people with out of state license plates or older/broken vehicles of their money?

[San Lumen]

so every man and woman for themselves and no one to enforce the laws of the state?

Might not be long before the laws of the state say that as a gay man, you are a criminal. Certainly abortion will be criminalised in a few months. Several states are passing laws requiring that children be subjected to internal and external examination of their anatomy to stop the hated transes from playing sports.

Not in my state.

[Cantport]

Why should I have too? The police show up and do an investigation first. I shouldn't have to ask for one.

But the police don’t actually have to protect you

In the UK, they legally do, that's why Osman notices are a thing.

[Thermodolia]

But the police don’t actually have to protect you

In the UK, they legally do, that's why Osman notices are a thing.

Not in the US

[Thermodolia]

Might not be long before the laws of the state say that as a gay man, you are a criminal. Certainly abortion will be criminalised in a few months. Several states are passing laws requiring that children be subjected to internal and external examination of their anatomy to stop the hated transes from playing sports.

Not in my state.

Abortion is most likely going to be criminalized federally.

[Hukhalia]

Not in my state.

Abortion is most likely going to be criminalized federally.

shoulda voted harder big guy

[Indomitable Friendship]

People form groups; they can set their own collective standards. Small towns can do this, urban neighborhoods can do this & so on. Like I said earlier, we also have to change the social factors surrounding it all, too.

A collection of neighborhoods is a town or city.

setting collective standards is what's called a government.

I know & that's the problem, universalism when most relationships are close & not between hundreds & more of people. Human relationships still revolve around a tribal template.

[The Jamesian Republic]

But the police don’t actually have to protect you

In the UK, they legally do, that's why Osman notices are a thing.

Then let’s do what the UK is doing in that regard.

[Cantport]

Not in my state.

Abortion is most likely going to be criminalized federally.

That would be unconstitutional under the 10th Amendment, independently of Roe V Wade.

[Thermodolia]

06/03/2022

Recently, in the United States, Biden and the Democratic Party have made comments about demilitarizing the police and banning assault rifles from being owned by private citizens. This in my opinion is appalling and the president has no authority to touch the law and amendments of our country. His priority and legal obligation is to lead our country. It is not his duty to be concerned about the people’s rights and laws. Laws are the reason why we have the three branches of government. Biden and the Democratic Party has no authority to change and eliminate laws and amendments of the constitution. The second amendment, in my opinion, is one of the most important rights that the American people have. It gives us the right to protect and defend ourselves and others from the harm that this country faces. Now, demilitarizing the police which is the main topic here could change everything. The reasons as too why police have military-grade equipment is because they have to face criminals with equal or more power due to the harm and destruction that can be cause by criminals. And once again, the president has no authority over law enforcement hence why every state has a “GOVERNOR, ” to deal with state matters.

Actually the president has a lot of authority over police because the federal government is the reason the police get the military stuff in the first place.

If the president halts the program then that’s that.

[San Lumen]

A collection of neighborhoods is a town or city.

setting collective standards is what's called a government.

I know & that's the problem, universalism when most relationships are close & not between hundreds & more of people. Human relationships still revolve around a tribal template.

We don't have tribal society anymore. That ended 5000 years ago when the first civilization formed in the Tigris and Euphrates river valley.

[Thermodolia]

Abortion is most likely going to be criminalized federally.

That would be unconstitutional under the 10th Amendment, independently of Roe V Wade.

No it wouldn’t be actually. Abortion isn’t a right, therefore the states don’t have the authority to rule on it

[San Lumen]

That would be unconstitutional under the 10th Amendment, independently of Roe V Wade.

No it wouldn’t be actually. Abortion isn’t a right, therefore the states don’t have the authority to rule on it

Not the topic of the thread.

[Uiiop]

Abortion is most likely going to be criminalized federally.

That would be unconstitutional under the 10th Amendment, independently of Roe V Wade.

I don't think you've been up to date on our courts it will soon not be an right per se.

[Cantport]

That would be unconstitutional under the 10th Amendment, independently of Roe V Wade.

No it wouldn’t be actually. Abortion isn’t a right, therefore the states don’t have the authority to rule on it

Before this turns into a threadjack, let me just say

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

So even matters not mentioned in the constitution come under 10th Amendment restrictions unless congress is explicitly or implicitly authorised by a specific part of the constitution.

The constitution doesn't mention abortion one way or the other and I won't post my moral views on it as whatever I say I'll offend somebody.
Returning to topic:
abolishing the police on a federal level is also against the 10th Amendment.

[San Lumen]

No it wouldn’t be actually. Abortion isn’t a right, therefore the states don’t have the authority to rule on it

Before this turns into a threadjack, let me just say

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

So even matters not mentioned in the constitution come under 10th Amendment restrictions unless congress is explicitly or implicitly authorised by a specific part of the constitution.

The constitution doesn't mention abortion one way or the other and I won't post my moral views on it as whatever I say I'll offend somebody.
Returning to topic:
abolishing the police on a federal level is also against the 10th Amendment.

This is correct. The police are on the state, county and municipal level. There is no national police force in the US.