Police Reform in the United States

[American Legionaries]

Oh no. Starting to sound like an abolitionist a bit there!



It's bad enough when I see a person in public who I know can kill me at any moment they like without any consequences, but now I'll have one living across the street?

Police unions are part of the problem. Several years ago when two officers in nyc were shot in their patrol car the union president had the audacity to blame the mayor.

Sounds like you have a mistrust and hatred of cops.

Having a mistrust of cops is reasonable and correct.

[San Lumen]

Police unions are part of the problem. Several years ago when two officers in nyc were shot in their patrol car the union president had the audacity to blame the mayor.

Sounds like you have a mistrust and hatred of cops.

Having a mistrust of cops is reasonable and correct.

I don’t consider all cops to be bad . That does not mean I can’t advocate for reform.

[American Legionaries]

Having a mistrust of cops is reasonable and correct.

I don’t consider all cops to be bad . That does not mean I can’t advocate for reform.

I didn't say that you considered all cops to be bad, I simply said that reasonable people would mistrust cops.

[Ifreann]

Nobody is holding them accountable.



I suppose that's better than cops living outside of the community they police. But I have a neighbor who is training to become a police officer and I don't trust him nor would I feel safe seeing his police car in his driveway.

Get rid of police unions and the rule of thou shalt not criticize a fellow officer.

How.

[American Legionaries]

Get rid of police unions and the rule of thou shalt not criticize a fellow officer.

How.

Well I guess you could ban trade unions, but hot damn is that a bad take.

The latter part is just foolishness, there's literally zero way to force people to criticize anyone else.

[Ifreann]

How.

Well I guess you could ban trade unions, but hot damn is that a bad take.

The latter part is just foolishness, there's literally zero way to force people to criticize anyone else.

Even if you did ban the police union...cops spend all day at work with other cops, their bosses are all cops, and when they're off duty they probably hang out at cop bars with other cops. They'll have their Fraternal Order whether officially or unofficially.

[American Legionaries]

Well I guess you could ban trade unions, but hot damn is that a bad take.

The latter part is just foolishness, there's literally zero way to force people to criticize anyone else.

Even if you did ban the police union...cops spend all day at work with other cops, their bosses are all cops, and when they're off duty they probably hang out at cop bars with other cops. They'll have their Fraternal Order whether officially or unofficially.

Yeah, that's kinda the point.

[San Lumen]

Well I guess you could ban trade unions, but hot damn is that a bad take.

The latter part is just foolishness, there's literally zero way to force people to criticize anyone else.

Even if you did ban the police union...cops spend all day at work with other cops, their bosses are all cops, and when they're off duty they probably hang out at cop bars with other cops. They'll have their Fraternal Order whether officially or unofficially.

Fine when the union president says something reprehensible like blaming the mayor for a cop murder they get fired. Such comments shouldn’t be tolerated.

[American Legionaries]

Even if you did ban the police union...cops spend all day at work with other cops, their bosses are all cops, and when they're off duty they probably hang out at cop bars with other cops. They'll have their Fraternal Order whether officially or unofficially.

Fine when the union president says something reprehensible like blaming the mayor for a cop murder they get fired. Such comments shouldn’t be tolerated.

I don't think you understand what a trade union is...

[San Lumen]

Fine when the union president says something reprehensible like blaming the mayor for a cop murder they get fired. Such comments shouldn’t be tolerated.

I don't think you understand what a trade union is...

I meant to say fire. They are a cop are they not.

[American Legionaries]

I don't think you understand what a trade union is...

I meant to say fire. They are a cop are they not.

Yeah... retaliating against the union president for doing his fucking job is illegal, stupid, and horrible. Of course, this all explains why you'd post such a position...

[San Lumen]

I meant to say fire. They are a cop are they not.

Yeah... retaliating against the union president for doing his fucking job is illegal, stupid, and horrible. Of course, this all explains why you'd post such a position...

Blaming the mayor for two senseless cop killings isn’t doing their job.

[The Two Jerseys]

Yeah... retaliating against the union president for doing his fucking job is illegal, stupid, and horrible. Of course, this all explains why you'd post such a position...

Blaming the mayor for two senseless cop killings isn’t doing their job.

Yes it is, he's fighting for safer working conditions for his union members.

[San Lumen]

Blaming the mayor for two senseless cop killings isn’t doing their job.

Yes it is, he's fighting for safer working conditions for his union members.

It wasn't De Blasio's fault the two cops were killed.

[The Two Jerseys]

Yes it is, he's fighting for safer working conditions for his union members.

It wasn't De Blasio's fault the two cops were killed.

The union seems to think that his policies are responsible.

[San Lumen]

It wasn't De Blasio's fault the two cops were killed.

The union seems to think that his policies are responsible.

The union is stupid. It’s not his and someday her job to constantly heap praise on the police.

[American Legionaries]

Yeah... retaliating against the union president for doing his fucking job is illegal, stupid, and horrible. Of course, this all explains why you'd post such a position...

Blaming the mayor for two senseless cop killings isn’t doing their job.

Yes, it is. Trying to push the bosses to enact policies the union wants enacted is literally what a fucking trade union is for.

[Kannap]

Sounds like you have a mistrust and hatred of cops.

[Kannap]

Having a mistrust of cops is reasonable and correct.

I don’t consider all cops to be bad . That does not mean I can’t advocate for reform.

Whether or not you believe all cops are bad, when you see a cop in public you don't know if they're a good or bad cop. Safer and more reasonable to assume they're a bad cop.

[San Lumen]

Sounds like you have a mistrust and hatred of cops.

It was.

Love that series!!!

[Kannap]

Even if you did ban the police union...cops spend all day at work with other cops, their bosses are all cops, and when they're off duty they probably hang out at cop bars with other cops. They'll have their Fraternal Order whether officially or unofficially.

Fine when the union president says something reprehensible like blaming the mayor for a cop murder they get fired. Such comments shouldn’t be tolerated.

What does it solve if you fire that guy and they just get replaced by the next person in line who's going to go to bat defending officers and hiding police misconduct?

[San Lumen]

Fine when the union president says something reprehensible like blaming the mayor for a cop murder they get fired. Such comments shouldn’t be tolerated.

What does it solve if you fire that guy and they just get replaced by the next person in line who's going to go to bat defending officers and hiding police misconduct?

I think that would send a message such comments will not longer be tolerated. You could also ban police unions.

[American Legionaries]

What does it solve if you fire that guy and they just get replaced by the next person in line who's going to go to bat defending officers and hiding police misconduct?

I think that would send a message such comments will not longer be tolerated. You could also ban police unions.

Yes, but as we've covered previously, banning unions and retaliating against union activity is a crime, and shitty.

[San Lumen]

I think that would send a message such comments will not longer be tolerated. You could also ban police unions.

Yes, but as we've covered previously, banning unions and retaliating against union activity is a crime, and shitty.

police unions do nothing except cover up wrongdoing and advocate officers must be praised no matter what.

[The Two Jerseys]

What does it solve if you fire that guy and they just get replaced by the next person in line who's going to go to bat defending officers and hiding police misconduct?

I think that would send a message such comments will not longer be tolerated. You could also ban police unions.

So the solution to the police being too militarized is to make them even more militarized?