Police Reform in the United States

[Thethen]

This is why if people ran on Reform the police not defunding the police wouldn't tune them out.

Who cares what the police think?

Reforming the police is a compromise, as it would get at least something done while still keeping the police healthy and wealthy. If we defunded them, they might choose not to be around in situations where they’re actually needed. We already caught a glimpse of this at Uvalde.

[Ifreann]

Who cares what the police think?

Reforming the police is a compromise, as it would get at least something done while still keeping the police healthy and wealthy. If we defunded them, they might choose not to be around in situations where they’re actually needed. We already caught a glimpse of this at Uvalde.

If the police will stand by and let children die as a negotiation tactic then I would say that this only strengthens my point about not caring what they think.

[Thethen]

Reforming the police is a compromise, as it would get at least something done while still keeping the police healthy and wealthy. If we defunded them, they might choose not to be around in situations where they’re actually needed. We already caught a glimpse of this at Uvalde.

If the police will stand by and let children die as a negotiation tactic then I would say that this only strengthens my point about not caring what they think.

Well, that’s what you say!

God, I’m bad at debating.

[Uiiop]

This is why if people ran on Reform the police not defunding the police wouldn't tune them out.

Who cares what the police think?

An more apt tack IMHO would to say "Since when did the police tune in to reformers in the first place?"

[Partybus]

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

It has already been pointed out in this thread that crime rates don't tend to rise much - or at all - when the police go on strike.

The efficacy of law enforcement is measured in the absence of crime, not in the capture or punishment of criminals. And when one actually looks at the statistics it's hard not to question whether the existence of the police in the United States has any significant effect on American criminality.

[Partybus]

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

[Partybus]

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

It has already been pointed out in this thread that crime rates don't tend to rise much - or at all - when the police go on strike.

The efficacy of law enforcement is measured in the absence of crime, not in the capture or punishment of criminals. And when one actually looks at the statistics it's hard not to question whether the existence of the police in the United States has any significant effect on American criminality.

Sorry about the double post, but I'm talking about a specific town in a specific state...and crime is definitely going through the roof since the dummies decided to defund and now are backpedaling at 100mph because... well...

[The Reformed American Republic]

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

It has already been pointed out in this thread that crime rates don't tend to rise much - or at all - when the police go on strike.

The efficacy of law enforcement is measured in the absence of crime, not in the capture or punishment of criminals. And when one actually looks at the statistics it's hard not to question whether the existence of the police in the United States has any significant effect on American criminality.

Most crime is never solved or even reported.

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If we defunded them, they might choose not to be around in situations where they’re actually needed. We already caught a glimpse of this at Uvalde.

We can't defund the police otherwise they won't do what they're already not doing...? Since they'll be hiding in the Dunkin Donuts bathroom the next time a mass murderer shoots up a school, we may as well defund so they can't do the safe and easy things like beating the shit out of 6 year old black boys.

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Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

One, the police haven't been defunded. Two, calling the police isn't the magic recourse you think it is. Most of the time when your shit gets stolen, it's gone forever. And even if they put the thief in jail and order restitution they can't pay the restitution because they don't have a job because they're in jail. And I've been assaulted, physically and sexually and I never called the police. What the hell would that do for me? Does it undo the damage? Do I want to spend hours talking to the police and hours in court all for the fleeting and shallow satisfaction of someone who wronged me getting slapped by the system? Nope.

[Nordic Peoples Reich]

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

BLM wants to defund them so they can rob, assault whoever they want without any repurcussions at all

[Kannap]

Who cares what the police think?

Reforming the police is a compromise, as it would get at least something done while still keeping the police healthy and wealthy. If we defunded them, they might choose not to be around in situations where they’re actually needed. We already caught a glimpse of this at Uvalde.

I don't think Uvalde is the example you think it is, since their police budget has only been increasing in recent years. Unless you're suggesting we should stop increasing police budgets because situations like Uvalde where the police don't bother to take care of the situation prove we're just throwing money in the trash?

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

Oh no, I'm quaking in my boots. If we defund the police, then who's going to show up to my house five hours after I got robbed to shrug their shoulders and say there's nothing they can do?

[The Emerald Legion]

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

I mean what are the police going to do? Arrive 10 minutes late and take your account of the situation?

[San Lumen]

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

I mean what are the police going to do? Arrive 10 minutes late and take your account of the situation?

They could also do their damm jobs and stop acting like whiny babies whenever people criticize them.

[Kannap]

I mean what are the police going to do? Arrive 10 minutes late and take your account of the situation?

They could also do their damm jobs and stop acting like whiny babies whenever people criticize them.

Except in the aforementioned situation, they're useless even if they do their jobs.

Like if I find out I've been robbed and call the police and they show up to hear my report, file it, and go on their way - what has that done for me?

I've still been robbed and the police are never going to find the robber (and if they do, I likely won't be getting my property back).

[Heloin]

Who cares what the police think?

Reforming the police is a compromise, as it would get at least something done while still keeping the police healthy and wealthy. If we defunded them, they might choose not to be around in situations where they’re actually needed. We already caught a glimpse of this at Uvalde.

Yeah, we saw a swollen police budget that is many times more than they could ever need and watched the police beat parents while their children were massacred. If we defunded them they might not be able to assault parents!

[San Lumen]

They could also do their damm jobs and stop acting like whiny babies whenever people criticize them.

Except in the aforementioned situation, they're useless even if they do their jobs.

Like if I find out I've been robbed and call the police and they show up to hear my report, file it, and go on their way - what has that done for me?

I've still been robbed and the police are never going to find the robber (and if they do, I likely won't be getting my property back).

Whats your solution then?

[Heloin]

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

Police won't stop those issues anyways so why waste the money?

[San Lumen]

Defund the police they said, it's a great idea they said...then they complain because there's no one to call when they're getting robbed, assaulted etc...

Police won't stop those issues anyways so why waste the money?

Yes because having no police at all is clearly the solution.

[Heloin]

Police won't stop those issues anyways so why waste the money?

Yes because having no police at all is clearly the solution.

Yes. It's a better solution than their continued existence.

[San Lumen]

Yes because having no police at all is clearly the solution.

Yes. It's a better solution than their continued existence.

What replaces them? Who is going to enforce the law and maintain order? Real easy to be edgy when you have no alternative.

[Australiem]

Is it just me who thinks the cops aren't all racist and are killing a bunch of people?
Because I think this is a bad thing, I want a full and total Authoritarian police force that is legally allowed to kill any minority or race traitor on sight. Because sorry to say most minorities freak the fuck out when getting detained which causes the cops to use force to restrain them because they turn to fucking monkeys.

[San Lumen]

Is it just me who thinks the cops aren't all racist and are killing a bunch of people?
Because I think this is a bad thing, I want a full and total Authoritarian police force that is legally allowed to kill any minority or race traitor on sight. Because sorry to say most minorities freak the fuck out when getting detained which causes the cops to use force to restrain them because they turn to fucking monkeys.

racist much?

[Australiem]

Is it just me who thinks the cops aren't all racist and are killing a bunch of people?
Because I think this is a bad thing, I want a full and total Authoritarian police force that is legally allowed to kill any minority or race traitor on sight. Because sorry to say most minorities freak the fuck out when getting detained which causes the cops to use force to restrain them because they turn to fucking monkeys.

racist much?

Yes and?