UK Politics Thread X: Immigration, Housing, Strikes oh my

[Dumb Ideologies]

Neither Shearer not Wright will be appearing out of solidarity. The Striker's Union is bringing our country to a standstill!

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Neither Shearer not Wright will be appearing out of solidarity. The Striker's Union is bringing our country to a standstill!

Jeremy Clarkson is looking for a job.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Neither Shearer not Wright will be appearing out of solidarity. The Striker's Union is bringing our country to a standstill!

Not will Alex Scott, Mark Chapman, Micah Richards or even Jermaine "he'll do anything" Jenas.

Even putting aside the politics for a moment, who do even get to present the show that isn't a mate of at least one of them and would probably not do it because of that?

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Neither Shearer not Wright will be appearing out of solidarity. The Striker's Union is bringing our country to a standstill!

Jeremy Clarkson is looking for a job.

Even he has come out in support of Lineker, though that could be more an anti-BBC than anything

[The Archregimancy]

It would be mildly amusing in the wake of Mr Lineker's comments if the BBC was reduced to having a German host MOTD.

Jurgen Klinsmann, anyone?

[Hirota]

The grauniad previously suggested this might be a way for Mr Lineker to avoid a 5 million quid tax bill. Far be it for me to question his motives, and I'll leave it to others to decide if the Guardian is onto something or not.

Daft hyperbole aside - comparing the policies to Nazi germany does nothing but trivialise the atrocities of that era and he's an idiot for doing so - as a principle, I don't have a problem with him saying what he wants, but I wouldn't want someone to lose their job for being an idiot.

Even he has come out in support of Lineker, though that could be more an anti-BBC than anything

Maybe he doesn't think you should be sacked for overblown idiotic rhetoric.

[Fartsniffage]

Barry, 63 seems to be the only only left the BBC can call on.

[Fartsniffage]

The grauniad previously suggested this might be a way for Mr Lineker to avoid a 5 million quid tax bill. Far be it for me to question his motives, and I'll leave it to others to decide if the Guardian is onto something or not.

Daft hyperbole aside - comparing the policies to Nazi germany does nothing but trivialise the atrocities of that era and he's an idiot for doing so - as a principle, I don't have a problem with him saying what he wants, but I wouldn't want someone to lose their job for being an idiot.

What happened in the 1930's in Germany began with marginalisation and removing the protection of law from minorities.

What the government is doing is very much the language the Nazi's used back then. I hope they don't have the same intent but the language they are using should very much be called out.

[Hirota]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/10/david-attenborough-bbc-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Apparently the BBC has bowed to right wing pressure and decided to broadcast a David Attenborough programme on the environment only iplayer to avoid a right wing backlash.

The Guardian report is inaccurate.

It reports that the sixth episode of the series was pulled.

However, the original press article states there were only ever 5 episodes. And the WWF, one of the co-producers confirmed it is a separate product.

Now, why it's on iplayer, instead of one digital telly might be up for some speculation.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

The grauniad previously suggested this might be a way for Mr Lineker to avoid a 5 million quid tax bill. Far be it for me to question his motives, and I'll leave it to others to decide if the Guardian is onto something or not.

Daft hyperbole aside - comparing the policies to Nazi germany does nothing but trivialise the atrocities of that era and he's an idiot for doing so - as a principle, I don't have a problem with him saying what he wants, but I wouldn't want someone to lose their job for being an idiot.

Even he has come out in support of Lineker, though that could be more an anti-BBC than anything

Maybe he doesn't think you should be sacked for overblown idiotic rhetoric.

He didn't compare the policies to Nazi Germany though - he compared the language being used to language being used in 1930s Germany.

[Hirota]

What the government is doing is very much the language the Nazi's used back then.

No references to blood and soil, flea-bearing rodents, or suggestions of an iron will and the summoning of a golden dawn, so no, it really isn't, and it's still hyperbolic daftness to try and pretend it is.

I hope they don't have the same intent but the language they are using should very much be called out.

Where it's actually accurate, sure - and I have done on this thread elsewhere. But you don't need to employ daft language to criticise daft language.

He didn't compare the policies to Nazi Germany though - he compared the language being used to language being used in 1930s Germany.

You really think he was comparing to the Weimar republic?

[Tinhampton]

There will be nobody in the studio tomorrow on Match of the Day.

[Shamhnan Insir]

No clue what you’re even talking about, but there’s a moderation forum for making reports, and it’s not called General.

All xs are y is like "All black men are basically immoral beings"

Think you're misreading.

It would be mildly amusing in the wake of Mr Lineker's comments if the BBC was reduced to having a German host MOTD.

Jurgen Klinsmann, anyone?

It would certainly be a lovely additional corner to this particular square that the BBC has found itself trying to hammer a circle into.
Gary Lineker references aside this is a massive own goal at a time when Fiona Bruce is under further fire for her crap moderation of Question Time.

[Celritannia]

There will be nobody in the studio tomorrow on Match of the Day.

If the BBC want to act like petty children by denying someone their individual rights to speak out against a fascist policy, then let them.

[Fartsniffage]

What the government is doing is very much the language the Nazi's used back then.

No references to blood and soil, flea-bearing rodents, or suggestions of an iron will and the summoning of a golden dawn, so no, it really isn't, and it's still hyperbolic daftness to try and pretend it is.

I hope they don't have the same intent but the language they are using should very much be called out.

Where it's actually accurate, sure - and I have done on this thread elsewhere. But you don't need to employ daft language to criticise daft language.

He didn't compare the policies to Nazi Germany though - he compared the language being used to language being used in 1930s Germany.

You really think he was comparing to the Weimar republic?

You know what. I typed out a whole thing about whether you're being complicit with this terrible policy or whether you're just dumb to what's happening.

But then I remembered that if you sit down at a table of 11 fascists then there are 12 fascists at the table. Be gone.

[Saor Alba]

There will be nobody in the studio tomorrow on Match of the Day.

If the BBC want to act like petty children by denying someone their individual rights to speak out against a fascist policy, then let them.

But the BBC aren't denying him that right. They are denying him the right to host tomorrow's episode of MOTD. He has every right to voice his political opinions but the BBC have every right to decide whether he hosts one of their shows or not.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Not only have they bent to right wing pressure on Lineker, they also have quietly moved the first episode of a new Attenborough show to iPlayer only. How do they fuck it up this badly so quickly. You are pissing off not only the legions of football fans, but also the legions of Attenborough fans. That man is an incredible individual, we are lucky he is still here to describe the stories of the natural world so brilliantly, and they've ushered him into a corner because it might upset some part of the political spectrum. What the hell happened?

[Necroghastia]

Bunch of fucking spanners honestly

That's being too kind. Spanners are useful, although "fucking spanners" are a very niche tool.
These people are bandwagoning on a silly and absurd US distraction piece. It's times like this I think we should deport such proponents to southern US states and see how the survive the lack of tea, public transport and access to healthcare.

In any case I hate to see that Drag has become the latest punchbag for the unlikely pairing of religious zealots and child safety enthusiasts.

Hey. We have amazing tea.

[Celritannia]

If the BBC want to act like petty children by denying someone their individual rights to speak out against a fascist policy, then let them.

But the BBC aren't denying him that right. They are denying him the right to host tomorrow's episode of MOTD. He has every right to voice his political opinions but the BBC have every right to decide whether he hosts one of their shows or not.

And why are they denying him the right to host? Because of his freedom of speech to post a political comment that criticises the government.

[Hirota]

You know what. I typed out a whole thing about whether you're being complicit with this terrible policy or whether you're just dumb to what's happening.

But then I remembered that if you sit down at a table of 11 fascists then there are 12 fascists at the table. Be gone.

Nobody is a fascist in this particular discussion thread or complicit in any such nonsense, it's you simply doubling down with yet more daft hyperbole.

[Hirota]

Not only have they bent to right wing pressure on Lineker, they also have quietly moved the first episode of a new Attenborough show to iPlayer only.

This is untrue, as I previously linked.

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[Celritannia]

You know what. I typed out a whole thing about whether you're being complicit with this terrible policy or whether you're just dumb to what's happening.

But then I remembered that if you sit down at a table of 11 fascists then there are 12 fascists at the table. Be gone.

Nobody is a fascist in this particular discussion thread or complicit in any such nonsense, it's you simply doubling down with yet more daft hyperbole.

Making out the refugees to be a danger to our society is very similar to the Third Reich making out the Jews and other people were a danger to their society.

[Saor Alba]

That man is an incredible individual

He holds to dangerous Malthusian ideas of population control. He might be a good narrator but "incredible" isn't the best word.

And why are they denying him the right to host? Because of his freedom of speech to post a political comment that criticises the government.

Okay so they're still not denying him a right to free speech.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

Nobody is a fascist in this particular discussion thread or complicit in any such nonsense, it's you simply doubling down with yet more daft hyperbole.

Making out the refugees to be a danger to our society is very similar to the Third Reich making out the Jews and other people were a danger to their society.

Authoritarian conservative / reactionary maybe, fascist or nazi perhaps.... the lines between the two on cultural / ethnic grounds is loose. Economically: no.

[Celritannia]

And why are they denying him the right to host? Because of his freedom of speech to post a political comment that criticises the government.

Okay so they're still not denying him a right to free speech.

They have, they have practically told him he cannot have political opinions while working for the BBC.