UK Politics Thread X: Immigration, Housing, Strikes oh my

[Celritannia]

SNP leads Labour by 11% in constituency VI for a Scottish parliamentary election.

Holyrood Constituency VI (2-5 March):

SNP: 40% (-8)
LAB: 29% (+7)
CON: 20% (-2)
LDEM: 7% (–)
GRN: 2% (+1)
RFM: 2% (+2)
OTH: 1% (–)

Changes +/- 2021 Scottish Election

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Holyrood Regional List VI (2-5 March):

SNP: 29% (-11)
LAB: 26% (+8)
CON: 20% (-3)
LDEM: 11% (+6)
GRN: 10% (+2)
RFM: 1% (+1)
OTH: 3% (-2)

Changes +/- 2021 Scottish Election

Ayyoo

That's a hell of a swing to the Red though, and I see Labour growing further in the ensuing months.

Beautiful

Right-wingers will flock to reform
Tory voters will flock to the LibDems, seeing the sinking ship.
Left-wing and neutral on independence will flock to Labour.
Left-wing and pro-independence will flock to greens.
The remaining pro-independence will flock to ABBA.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

I think it's a bit too soon to be proclaiming the end of the SNP's ascendency over Scottish politics.

[Celritannia]

I think it's a bit too soon to be proclaiming the end of the SNP's ascendency over Scottish politics.

I don't think it will end, but their prominence will no longer be secured.

Minority governments will become the norm again. I can see Labour-LibDem coalitions in Holyrood in the foreseeable future.

[Ostroeuropa]

To be fair if there was a system of using refugees as indentured servantsand coolies, we'd see a big increase in the number of refugees that we take in.

That's got to be a win-win, right?

*stares in Carnival Row*.

Carnival Row has the plot of the land of fantasy creatures being found during the age of imperialism. The Obviously British face off against "The Pact" (An alliance of the other Imperial countries who have decided to go in for genocide and slavery. The British do the good old "Divide and rule the fantasy creatures" thing, but lose the war as a result of their land forces being not up to snuff against what is implied to be literally everybody else. As a consequence they offer to "Evacuate" the fantasy creatures, offering them passage out of their doomed continent and back to Obviously Britain in exchange for entering indentured servitude, and hiring some of them to bust open the concentration camps and be like "I'm here to save you from the pact. Just sign on the dotted line.". This causes... issues... to say the least... as the Pact (And the Conservatives in Obviously Britain) endlessly raves about how we need to destroy them because they're dangerous, Obviously Britain (And it's Liberals) waffle loudly about barbarism and the rights of all creatures and mutters quietly about economic value being sourced in Labour not Land so they're a good workforce, and the creatures stare at the Obviously British and gradually their eyes start to narrow as they cotton onto it all. At some point a lovecraftian elder god is summoned into the Obviously London sewers as revenge.

Mind you. Given that the kind of refugee's we'll be dealing with can't summon cthulhu, we're probably doing alright if we decide to enslave them so carry on I suppose. Oh. Except the whole morals thing. Also it might have been a metaphor. But I can't imagine what for. Certainly nothing festering in the underbelly of society that threatens to destroy it in a cataclysm and leave devestating effects for generations.

Oh.

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Nah. Probably nothing.

[Saor Alba]

The SNP blowing itself to pieces was vaguely amusing. They basically pulled what I do with one of my characters in a political RP, fire barbs at the opponent, hope you win, and then try and fix the smouldering wreck you created.

They've been in government for 15 years and there is no election for another four years. The SNP remains the strongest political machine in Scotland even if they are down a bit in the polls.

I think it's a bit too soon to be proclaiming the end of the SNP's ascendency over Scottish politics.

I don't think it will end, but their prominence will no longer be secured.

Minority governments will become the norm again. I can see Labour-LibDem coalitions in Holyrood in the foreseeable future.

Based off of that most recent poll, a Labour-LibDem government would still need Green or Tory support to beat the SNP. If Labour and the LibDems formed government with Tory support, they would survive for a single term before the SNP surge back into power. The next minority government will still be SNP unless they suffer a Corbyn-esque collapse

[Celritannia]

The SNP blowing itself to pieces was vaguely amusing. They basically pulled what I do with one of my characters in a political RP, fire barbs at the opponent, hope you win, and then try and fix the smouldering wreck you created.

They've been in government for 15 years and there is no election for another four years. The SNP remains the strongest political machine in Scotland even if they are down a bit in the polls.

I don't think it will end, but their prominence will no longer be secured.

Minority governments will become the norm again. I can see Labour-LibDem coalitions in Holyrood in the foreseeable future.

Based off of that most recent poll, a Labour-LibDem government would still need Green or Tory support to beat the SNP. If Labour and the LibDems formed government with Tory support, they would survive for a single term before the SNP surge back into power. The next minority government will still be SNP unless they suffer a Corbyn-esque collapse

I did say I'm the near future, meaning not the next election, but perhaps a couple after.

I highly doubt a Labour-LibDem coalition would work with the Tories. And likewise, the Greens won't work with non-independence parties.

The SNP for now are fracturing. They could move away from their independence position and actually focus on a the needs of the people.

[El Lazaro]

They've been in government for 15 years and there is no election for another four years. The SNP remains the strongest political machine in Scotland even if they are down a bit in the polls.


Based off of that most recent poll, a Labour-LibDem government would still need Green or Tory support to beat the SNP. If Labour and the LibDems formed government with Tory support, they would survive for a single term before the SNP surge back into power. The next minority government will still be SNP unless they suffer a Corbyn-esque collapse

I did say I'm the near future, meaning not the next election, but perhaps a couple after.

I highly doubt a Labour-LibDem coalition would work with the Tories. And likewise, the Greens won't work with non-independence parties.

The SNP for now are fracturing. They could move away from their independence position and actually focus on a the needs of the people.

Their independence position is the entire reason they’re in charge in the first place. They couldn’t present an electorally viable yet fairly distinct agenda from existing parties without being Scottish nationalists.

[Heloin]

That's a hell of a swing to the Red though, and I see Labour growing further in the ensuing months.

Beautiful

Right-wingers will flock to reform
Tory voters will flock to the LibDems, seeing the sinking ship.
Left-wing and neutral on independence will flock to Labour.
Left-wing and pro-independence will flock to greens.
The remaining pro-independence will flock to ABBA.

Well you know what they say,
Waterloo, couldn't escape if I wanted to
Waterloo, knowing my fate is to be with you
Wa-Wa-Wa-Wa-Waterloo, finally facing my Waterloo

[Celritannia]

I did say I'm the near future, meaning not the next election, but perhaps a couple after.

I highly doubt a Labour-LibDem coalition would work with the Tories. And likewise, the Greens won't work with non-independence parties.

The SNP for now are fracturing. They could move away from their independence position and actually focus on a the needs of the people.

Their independence position is the entire reason they’re in charge in the first place. They couldn’t present an electorally viable yet fairly distinct agenda from existing parties without being Scottish nationalists.

They can be a Nationalist party without supporting independence. They can be a party that ensures the rights of Scots and Scotland as a whole are maintained within the UK.

[El Lazaro]

Their independence position is the entire reason they’re in charge in the first place. They couldn’t present an electorally viable yet fairly distinct agenda from existing parties without being Scottish nationalists.

They can be a Nationalist party without supporting independence. They can be a party that ensures the rights of Scots and Scotland as a whole are maintained within the UK.

They can also lose and fade into obscurity, but it’s generally understood that’s not what political parties are aiming for.

[The Matthew Islands]

I've been invited to run for a very winnable seat on my local authority council.

Am torn.

I value my political neutrality and impartiality in my professional role; I often engage with political figures from all UK-wide parties, and my perceived professional neutrality often helps me access support and funding that might not be otherwise available.

But I'm also furious with Suella Braverman; and - freely acknowledging that my local authority isn't going to be dealing with small boat channel crossings - the government's new refugee policy, and its callous, cynical, deliberate, and considered political conflation of asylum seekers with economic migrants is tilting me towards saying yes.

I should also note that I used to work for a national Red Cross society, and am very familiar with international law on asylum, so I would be grateful if no one chose to take it upon themselves to lecture me over that asylum seeker / economic migrant distinction.

Do you think this likely to be a stepping stone into becoming a potential MP?

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Put Arch in the House of Lords.

[The Archregimancy]

Do you think this likely to be a stepping stone into becoming a potential MP?

No.

Put Arch in the House of Lords.

I was sounded out informally once; I said I wouldn't say no if it ever became a formal query, but that it wasn't a priority for me. There hasn't been any subsequent follow-through.

[The Archregimancy]

Their independence position is the entire reason they’re in charge in the first place. They couldn’t present an electorally viable yet fairly distinct agenda from existing parties without being Scottish nationalists.

They can be a Nationalist party without supporting independence. They can be a party that ensures the rights of Scots and Scotland as a whole are maintained within the UK.

The rise of the Coalition Avenir Québec (centre-right, nationalist, autonomist, but not pro-independence) and the near-collapse of the Parti Québécois (centre-left, nationalist, pro-independence) is something that should be more closely studied by Scots, regardless of how they feel regarding independence.

The PQ used to be the dominant force in Quebec politics, but now only holds 3 seats in the province's National Assembly, squeezed over the last 20 years from the left by the more activist Québec Solidaire, and from the right by a CAQ that's more attractive to soft sovereigntists who are comfortable pushing for a distinct Quebecois identity and provincial autonomy within Canada.

It would be easy to push the comparisons too far, but Quebec's history after the 1995 independence referendum is worth a close look.

[Forsher]

It would be easy to push the comparisons too far, but Quebec's history after the 1995 independence referendum is worth a close look.

A real politician would push it too far. Or possibly not at all. You're clearly not cut out for local politics, Arch. Fortunately, I know how you can respond to any journalistic interest: "don't fucking come and talk to me".

(I'd say it's unbelievable but this is the same guy who fantasised in public about sticking a photograph of a journalist on a urinal and pissing on it. And he said this before the election. *sigh*)

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Sunak's success with the Windsor Framework seems to have made absolutely no difference to his party's UK polling figures.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Put Arch in the House of Lords.

I was sounded out informally once; I said I wouldn't say no if it ever became a formal query, but that it wasn't a priority for me. There hasn't been any subsequent follow-through.

Cleary you have not paid for Boris Johnson to go on holiday.

[The Matthew Islands]

Do you think this likely to be a stepping stone into becoming a potential MP?

No.

I suppose if it's only a local council role, I personally wouldn't have thought that it would compromise the neutrality you maintain in your professional life, to any real degree.

Admittedly though, I don't really know much about the world of local politics.

[The Archregimancy]

I was sounded out informally once; I said I wouldn't say no if it ever became a formal query, but that it wasn't a priority for me. There hasn't been any subsequent follow-through.

Cleary you have not paid for Boris Johnson to go on holiday.

No, but he did tell me an inappropriate sexist joke within 30 seconds of meeting me when he was Prime Minister; clearly that didn't count for as much as I'd hoped.

[The Blaatschapen]

Cleary you have not paid for Boris Johnson to go on holiday.

No, but he did tell me an inappropriate sexist joke within 30 seconds of meeting me when he was Prime Minister; clearly that didn't count for as much as I'd hoped.

30 seconds? He must've been tired if it took him that long.

[Celritannia]

I did say I'm the near future, meaning not the next election, but perhaps a couple after.

I highly doubt a Labour-LibDem coalition would work with the Tories. And likewise, the Greens won't work with non-independence parties.

The SNP for now are fracturing. They could move away from their independence position and actually focus on a the needs of the people.

Their independence position is the entire reason they’re in charge in the first place. They couldn’t present an electorally viable yet fairly distinct agenda from existing parties without being Scottish nationalists.

Yes, they could.

They can be a Nationalist party without supporting independence. They can be a party that ensures the rights of Scots and Scotland as a whole are maintained within the UK.

The rise of the Coalition Avenir Québec (centre-right, nationalist, autonomist, but not pro-independence) and the near-collapse of the Parti Québécois (centre-left, nationalist, pro-independence) is something that should be more closely studied by Scots, regardless of how they feel regarding independence.

The PQ used to be the dominant force in Quebec politics, but now only holds 3 seats in the province's National Assembly, squeezed over the last 20 years from the left by the more activist Québec Solidaire, and from the right by a CAQ that's more attractive to soft sovereigntists who are comfortable pushing for a distinct Quebecois identity and provincial autonomy within Canada.

It would be easy to push the comparisons too far, but Quebec's history after the 1995 independence referendum is worth a close look.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking.

[Privateer Stockholm]

Ok, without commenting on abortion rights themselves which some view as women defending their bodies and others view as unjust killing, what's your opinion of Tony Martin shooting dead Master Barras? And if you're against that what's your ulterior motive (by your own logic)?

[El Lazaro]

They can be a Nationalist party without supporting independence. They can be a party that ensures the rights of Scots and Scotland as a whole are maintained within the UK.

The rise of the Coalition Avenir Québec (centre-right, nationalist, autonomist, but not pro-independence) and the near-collapse of the Parti Québécois (centre-left, nationalist, pro-independence) is something that should be more closely studied by Scots, regardless of how they feel regarding independence.

The PQ used to be the dominant force in Quebec politics, but now only holds 3 seats in the province's National Assembly, squeezed over the last 20 years from the left by the more activist Québec Solidaire, and from the right by a CAQ that's more attractive to soft sovereigntists who are comfortable pushing for a distinct Quebecois identity and provincial autonomy within Canada.

It would be easy to push the comparisons too far, but Quebec's history after the 1995 independence referendum is worth a close look.

If anything, the slow demise of the PQ is a warning about flip-flopping on independence and focusing on other political issues as a big tent party. The Bloc is the only Quebecois party in the Canadian parliament, while the PQ cannibalized itself at the provincial level.

And Canada’s federal political system and Anglo-French relations aren’t a bullet-proof analogy for Scotland and the UK.

[Celritannia]

Ok, without commenting on abortion rights themselves which some view as women defending their bodies and others view as unjust killing, what's your opinion of Tony Martin shooting dead Master Barras? And if you're against that what's your ulterior motive (by your own logic)?

I support the right to self defence of one's home, however, in the case, the "defence " seems to have been pemeditated, and the use of the shotgun to kill, rather than frighten the burglars away was overly excessive.

This is a case that was looked over alot in my 6th form law class.

[Privateer Stockholm]

Ok, without commenting on abortion rights themselves which some view as women defending their bodies and others view as unjust killing, what's your opinion of Tony Martin shooting dead Master Barras? And if you're against that what's your ulterior motive (by your own logic)?

I support the right to self defence of one's home, however, in the case, the "defence " seems to have been pemeditated, and the use of the shotgun to kill, rather than frighten the burglars away was overly excessive.

This is a case that was looked over alot in my 6th form law class.

Well answered.

Which political party would Oliver Cromwell support if alive today?