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Will Labour win the next General Election and if so, by how much?

Labour will win with a landslide majority of over 100 seats
6
14%
Labour will win with a big majority of between 50-100 seats
9
21%
Labour will win with a smaller majority of between 1-50 seats
12
28%
Labour will win but fail to achieve a majority (Hung Parliament leading to Minority government)
3
7%
Labour will win but fail to achieve a majority (Hung Parliament leading to coalition government with one or more parties)
5
12%
Labour will lose the next general election (Conservatives remain largest party)
3
7%
Sinn Fein will win the next general election
5
12%
 
Total votes : 43

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Postby Saor Alba » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:57 am

One bit of praise I will give to Yousaf is that he is not a bad politician. Like Sturgeon he is quite good at handling tough questions or talking points on the spot and I really think that will be his strength going forward in this campaign. His poor record in government will likely be glossed over because of this. His supporters on social media are already doing this. Instead of defending Humza they just keep saying that Forbes was attacking our "progressive government".

Her record on business and her honesty is enough to convince me she is the best possible FM, but whether she would be able to form government is another question.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:34 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Heloin wrote:The UK’s Modern Slavery System
https://twitter.com/rishisunak/status/1 ... zOyfErvlBQ


I came into the this thread specifically to ask whether anyone know whether or not that image was real, because I thought 'surely this image I've seen on social media has to be parody rather than an official communication'. But no, there it is in red, white, and blue on the Prime Minister's official Twitter account.

For those who can't be bothered following the link, here it is in all its (spoilered) glory:

Image


So yes, Number 10 really has released a tweet that could be read as stating institutionalised modern slavery exists in the UK - and that you can only access our modern slavery system if you enter the country legally.

It amazes me that they haven't taken the tweet down yet. It feels like it should be one of those gaffes that is made fun of for years but was only up for like an hour at most.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:46 pm

Heloin wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
I came into the this thread specifically to ask whether anyone know whether or not that image was real, because I thought 'surely this image I've seen on social media has to be parody rather than an official communication'. But no, there it is in red, white, and blue on the Prime Minister's official Twitter account.

For those who can't be bothered following the link, here it is in all its (spoilered) glory:

Image


So yes, Number 10 really has released a tweet that could be read as stating institutionalised modern slavery exists in the UK - and that you can only access our modern slavery system if you enter the country legally.

It amazes me that they haven't taken the tweet down yet. It feels like it should be one of those gaffes that is made fun of for years but was only up for like an hour at most.

It's not a gaffe, it's their pro-slavery platform.

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Postby Heloin » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:52 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Heloin wrote:It amazes me that they haven't taken the tweet down yet. It feels like it should be one of those gaffes that is made fun of for years but was only up for like an hour at most.

It's not a gaffe, it's their pro-slavery platform.

I mean at this point yeah. It's not poorly worded if they're keeping it up, it's policy. The British are bringing back the slave trade.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:53 pm

Heloin wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's not a gaffe, it's their pro-slavery platform.

I mean at this point yeah. It's not poorly worded if they're keeping it up, it's policy. The British are bringing back the slave trade.

Britain's only hope is that Starmer will operate the slave trade more professionally.

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Postby Heloin » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:54 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Heloin wrote:I mean at this point yeah. It's not poorly worded if they're keeping it up, it's policy. The British are bringing back the slave trade.

Britain's only hope is that Starmer will operate the slave trade more professionally.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:11 pm

SNP leads Labour by 11% in constituency VI for a Scottish parliamentary election.

Holyrood Constituency VI (2-5 March):

SNP: 40% (-8)
LAB: 29% (+7)
CON: 20% (-2)
LDEM: 7% (–)
GRN: 2% (+1)
RFM: 2% (+2)
OTH: 1% (–)

Changes +/- 2021 Scottish Election


Holyrood Regional List VI (2-5 March):

SNP: 29% (-11)
LAB: 26% (+8)
CON: 20% (-3)
LDEM: 11% (+6)
GRN: 10% (+2)
RFM: 1% (+1)
OTH: 3% (-2)

Changes +/- 2021 Scottish Election

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Postby Mtwara » Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:30 pm

To be fair if there was a system of using refugees as indentured servantsand coolies, we'd see a big increase in the number of refugees that we take in.

That's got to be a win-win, right?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:37 pm

Mtwara wrote:To be fair if there was a system of using refugees as indentured servantsand coolies, we'd see a big increase in the number of refugees that we take in.

That's got to be a win-win, right?



Or we could not enslave human fucking beings.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:37 pm

Mtwara wrote:To be fair if there was a system of using refugees as indentured servantsand coolies, we'd see a big increase in the number of refugees that we take in.

That's got to be a win-win, right?

Britain suddenly leads the world for accepting refugees, even sending soldiers out to foreign countries to provide refugees with safe passage directly to Britain.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:49 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:SNP leads Labour by 11% in constituency VI for a Scottish parliamentary election.

Holyrood Constituency VI (2-5 March):

SNP: 40% (-8)
LAB: 29% (+7)
CON: 20% (-2)
LDEM: 7% (–)
GRN: 2% (+1)
RFM: 2% (+2)
OTH: 1% (–)

Changes +/- 2021 Scottish Election


Holyrood Regional List VI (2-5 March):

SNP: 29% (-11)
LAB: 26% (+8)
CON: 20% (-3)
LDEM: 11% (+6)
GRN: 10% (+2)
RFM: 1% (+1)
OTH: 3% (-2)

Changes +/- 2021 Scottish Election

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That's a hell of a swing to the Red though, and I see Labour growing further in the ensuing months.
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Postby Mtwara » Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:52 pm

Ifreann wrote:Britain suddenly leads the world for accepting refugees, even sending soldiers out to foreign countries to provide refugees with safe passage directly to Britain.


Liz Truss should have made me chancellor. 8)
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:34 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBZpM8RFtwQ


…isn’t it generally considered good etiquette to explain what you’re linking to?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:38 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBZpM8RFtwQ


…isn’t it generally considered good etiquette to explain what you’re linking to?

lbc video of Andrew Marr commenting on the recent HoC session where Braverman was questioned over immigration
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:43 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBZpM8RFtwQ


…isn’t it generally considered good etiquette to explain what you’re linking to?


Click or don't click. I don't care.

But thank you Huskar.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:55 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
…isn’t it generally considered good etiquette to explain what you’re linking to?


Click or don't click. I don't care.

But thank you Huskar.

No worries. I had already watched it so the link was blue lol
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:01 pm

I've been invited to run for a very winnable seat on my local authority council.

Am torn.

I value my political neutrality and impartiality in my professional role; I often engage with political figures from all UK-wide parties, and my perceived professional neutrality often helps me access support and funding that might not be otherwise available.

But I'm also furious with Suella Braverman; and - freely acknowledging that my local authority isn't going to be dealing with small boat channel crossings - the government's new refugee policy, and its callous, cynical, deliberate, and considered political conflation of asylum seekers with economic migrants is tilting me towards saying yes.

I should also note that I used to work for a national Red Cross society, and am very familiar with international law on asylum, so I would be grateful if no one chose to take it upon themselves to lecture me over that asylum seeker / economic migrant distinction.

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Postby Mtwara » Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:06 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:I've been invited to run for a very winnable seat on my local authority council.


Would you stand for a party or as an independent?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:08 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:I've been invited to run for a very winnable seat on my local authority council.

Am torn.

I value my political neutrality and impartiality in my professional role; I often engage with political figures from all UK-wide parties, and my perceived professional neutrality often helps me access support and funding that might not be otherwise available.

But I'm also furious with Suella Braverman; and - freely acknowledging that my local authority isn't going to be dealing with small boat channel crossings - the government's new refugee policy, and its callous, cynical, deliberate, and considered political conflation of asylum seekers with economic migrants is tilting me towards saying yes.

I should also note that I used to work for a national Red Cross society, and am very familiar with international law on asylum, so I would be grateful if no one chose to take it upon themselves to lecture me over that asylum seeker / economic migrant distinction.


But then you'll be stuck in said council seat for a few years, probably long past Suella Braverman's tenure as Home Secretary *crosses hooves*

And will your motivation for the seat still be there, when your rage has ebbed away?
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:11 pm

The SNP blowing itself to pieces was vaguely amusing. They basically pulled what I do with one of my characters in a political RP, fire barbs at the opponent, hope you win, and then try and fix the smouldering wreck you created.
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Postby Hirota » Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:18 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:The government's new refugee policy, and its callous, cynical, deliberate, and considered political conflation of asylum seekers with economic migrants is tilting me towards saying yes.
I agree, the government needs to be clearer on distinguishing between the economic migrants, and asylum seekers.

I'm not even convinced they are outright opposed to economic migrants to be honest - I think they are doing everything they can do to stop the human traffickers who I imagine profit much more from the former, but the governments messaging is so...blunt I suppose? To the point where they are not making it clear who they are actually trying to clamp down on.

On the other hand, perhaps the messaging is rather blunt because they believe it resonates with a decent proportion of the electorate, and putting some distance between them and Labour (who are trying to be much more nuanced) is going to help them make one party look like they are doing something about the issue.

Fartsniffage wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
…isn’t it generally considered good etiquette to explain what you’re linking to?


Click or don't click. I don't care.

But thank you Huskar.
On balance I'd rather have a source presented without fabricated claims - like one particular poster has a habit of doing whenever they post links.....
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:22 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:I've been invited to run for a very winnable seat on my local authority council.

Am torn.

I value my political neutrality and impartiality in my professional role; I often engage with political figures from all UK-wide parties, and my perceived professional neutrality often helps me access support and funding that might not be otherwise available.

But I'm also furious with Suella Braverman; and - freely acknowledging that my local authority isn't going to be dealing with small boat channel crossings - the government's new refugee policy, and its callous, cynical, deliberate, and considered political conflation of asylum seekers with economic migrants is tilting me towards saying yes.

I should also note that I used to work for a national Red Cross society, and am very familiar with international law on asylum, so I would be grateful if no one chose to take it upon themselves to lecture me over that asylum seeker / economic migrant distinction.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:28 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:I've been invited to run for a very winnable seat on my local authority council.

Am torn.

I value my political neutrality and impartiality in my professional role; I often engage with political figures from all UK-wide parties, and my perceived professional neutrality often helps me access support and funding that might not be otherwise available.

But I'm also furious with Suella Braverman; and - freely acknowledging that my local authority isn't going to be dealing with small boat channel crossings - the government's new refugee policy, and its callous, cynical, deliberate, and considered political conflation of asylum seekers with economic migrants is tilting me towards saying yes.

I should also note that I used to work for a national Red Cross society, and am very familiar with international law on asylum, so I would be grateful if no one chose to take it upon themselves to lecture me over that asylum seeker / economic migrant distinction.


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Postby Forsher » Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:01 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Do what needs to be done. You have the ability to make things better. Sucks to have that ability but you do.


How Peter Parker understands "with great power comes great responsibility"... an essay in three parts (sentences), by Fartsniffage, with application to British local politics.
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