UK Politics Thread X: Boris party report released

[Fartsniffage]

Boris names Carrie Symonds as new ethics advisor

[Thermodolia]

“Readers outraged at lazy copy AND it won’t ever stop promises Daily Mail”.

I didn’t find any outrage in the article. More sort of “it’s not what you think”.

I’ve worked in construction, so I didn’t think that anyway. And my plumber actually does have a philosophy degree.

So why the scare emphasis on WOKE in the headline?

To fool people who don’t read past the headlines

[Thermodolia]

A majority of UK adults say that the rail strikes this week are 'justified'.

Justified - 58%
Unjustified - 34% - Savanta ComRes

And yet Labour is against the strikes

[Mtwara]

Boris names Carrie Symonds as new ethics advisor

I was ready to believe that until I checked the URL.

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The RMT union is probably trying to take a tough stance because of the P&O Ferries situation, they don't want to look weak on more than one front.

The government is trying to suppress inflation by holding down public sector employee wages, but it's a delicate balance between that, strike action and long term damage to goodwill.

I think John Cleese or Terry Pratchett once said in the 1980s that modern British managers are good at copying American ideas but completely ruining the one good thing about them, and one of the issues with these franchise models and public/private partnerships is that it's always in the private sector's interests to give a compromise pay rise and get on with the job, particularly when the government is paying for it anyway.

To be honest I think the best thing to do this year would be offer a significantly below inflation pay rise to employees (2% or 3%) with a one-off payment to acknowledge that inflation should stabilise more and go back to normal in a year or two.

[Celritannia]

So with both Arriva Yorkshire striking, and railways striking, I am 100% standard in my town with no way of getting to any of the regular events I go to without forking out a lot of money for Ubers, and I am on universal credit.

These companies need to either be brought under public control or be non-profit organisations. The managers and CEOs are selfish and corrupt.

So how is public ownership going to help when the issue here is the government and the already publically owned Network Rail refusing to negotiate with the RMT?

1) lower the cost of tickets, 2) improve wages for the workers, 3) lower the wages of the senior management.

Yes, let's keep being pedantic about the term because that helps, doesn't it? /s.

I am STANDARD Vass. why should I currently care about the right term when I cannot afford to go to rehearsals?

[Mtwara]

So how is public ownership going to help when the issue here is the government and the already publically owned Network Rail refusing to negotiate with the RMT?

1) lower the cost of tickets, 2) improve wages for the workers, 3) lower the wages of the senior management.

Yes, let's keep being pedantic about the term because that helps, doesn't it? /s.

I am STANDARD Vass. why should I currently care about the right term when I cannot afford to go to rehearsals?

Privatisation is not inherently bad, it's the set up where the government picks up all of the risk and the franchisees aren't properly held to account that's bad.

[Celritannia]

1) lower the cost of tickets, 2) improve wages for the workers, 3) lower the wages of the senior management.

Yes, let's keep being pedantic about the term because that helps, doesn't it? /s.

I am STANDARD Vass. why should I currently care about the right term when I cannot afford to go to rehearsals?

Privatisation is not inherently bad, it's the set up where the government picks up all of the risk and the franchisees aren't properly held to account that's bad.

which is why I said either non-profit or nationalisation.

[Mtwara]

Privatisation is not inherently bad, it's the set up where the government picks up all of the risk and the franchisees aren't properly held to account that's bad.

which is why I said either non-profit or nationalisatin.

If it's non-profit then why would anybody want to do it? I like the idea of Oxfam running my trains though.

All these franchise, outsourcing and partnership models need is tight wording and strong regulation that can hold private businesses to account. If you have a weak regulator or governor then rot can set in if it's a not-for-profit or state owned enterprise anyway.

I like power by the hour type arrangements, the operator should own the risk of a train being late - if it's late then the operator pays the regulator, if it's on time, the regulator pays the operator. The regulator handles tickets but operators need to get a cut or all of it otherwise they have an incentive to operate empty trains and no incentive to create more demand. The guaranteed on-time payments should provide a "baseline" funding that can cover operating expenses, and the amount of profit and shareholder payouts needs capped and approved by the regulator based on performance and agreed investment plans.

[Celritannia]

which is why I said either non-profit or nationalisatin.

If it's non-profit then why would anybody want to do it? I like the idea of Oxfam running my trains though.

All these franchise, outsourcing and partnership models need is tight wording and strong regulation that can hold private businesses to account. If you have a weak regulator or governor then rot can set in if it's a not-for-profit or state owned enterprise anyway.

I like power by the hour type arrangements, the operator should own the risk of a train being late - if it's late then the operator pays the regulator, if it's on time, the regulator pays the operator. The regulator handles tickets but operators need to get a cut otherwise they have an incentive to operate empty trains and no incentive to create more demand.

Because there would be no private profits for the owners, the money would go straight back into the company, including increased wages.

But yes, better regulation is also needed.

But I still support that or nationalisation.

[Ifreann]

A majority of UK adults say that the rail strikes this week are 'justified'.

Justified - 58%
Unjustified - 34% - Savanta ComRes

And yet Labour is against the strikes

Starmer is abiding by the tenets of Blairism. Better to lose than move to the left.

[Vassenor]

Also the Mail seems to have decided there was a secret election where Labour took control of the country, and thus the rail strikes are their fault.

[Uan aa Boa]

Starmer is abiding by the tenets of Blairism. Better to lose than move to the left.

By this stage in Blair's leadership he was at least successfully communicating alternative ideas and proposals. Labour under Starmer is defined by what it isn't - not Corbyn, not supporting strikes, not anti-war etc. Unless the plan is simply to hope Johnson survives until the next election and that people will then vote for any alternative at all no matter what it is Starmer is running out of time to tell people what he's actually in favour of.

Also the Mail seems to have decided there was a secret election where Labour took control of the country, and thus the rail strikes are their fault.

Except that the Mail is actually admitting here that Labour MPs on the picket lines are defying the party's position, which kind of undermines the suggestion that the strikes are somehow Labour's fault.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Dominic Raab has a nerve to use the phrase Bill of Rights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61887933

This current government is just so bad. Any crap to make the Rwanda plan go through.

[The Nihilistic view]

Dominic Raab has a nerve to use the phrase Bill of Rights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61887933

This current government is just so bad. Any crap to make the Rwanda plan go through.

You've got that backwards, using the judgement as ammunition to reform the human rights act. Been in most conservative manifestos since 2010 to reform the Human rights act, its not a secret or a new thing.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Choosing Windrush Day to announce it as well.

[Tunbridge]

Dominic Raab has a nerve to use the phrase Bill of Rights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61887933

This current government is just so bad. Any crap to make the Rwanda plan go through.

Yeah, because god forbid people who come here illegally be subject to the law.

[Vassenor]

Dominic Raab has a nerve to use the phrase Bill of Rights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61887933

This current government is just so bad. Any crap to make the Rwanda plan go through.

Yeah, because god forbid people who come here illegally be subject to the law.

This is about the government not wanting to be subject to the rule of law, not immigrants.

[Tunbridge]

Yeah, because god forbid people who come here illegally be subject to the law.

This is about the government not wanting to be subject to the rule of law, not immigrants.

The rule of law against subjecting those who violate the rule of law to the rule of law.

Right.

[Ifreann]

Dominic Raab has a nerve to use the phrase Bill of Rights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61887933

This current government is just so bad. Any crap to make the Rwanda plan go through.

You've got that backwards, using the judgement as ammunition to reform the human rights act. Been in most conservative manifestos since 2010 to reform the Human rights act, its not a secret or a new thing.

It works both ways. They're trying to deport undesirables to Rwanda so that they can trash the Human Rights Act, which they want to do so they can deport undesirables to Rwanda.

[Tunbridge]

You've got that backwards, using the judgement as ammunition to reform the human rights act. Been in most conservative manifestos since 2010 to reform the Human rights act, its not a secret or a new thing.

It works both ways. They're trying to deport undesirables to Rwanda so that they can trash the Human Rights Act, which they want to do so they can deport undesirables to Rwanda.

They’re trying to deport illegal immigrants.

[Teletubieland]

My prediction for this week: Labour take Wakefield by a large margin, Lib Dems take Tiverton and Honiton by a reasonable but not overwhelming margin, Johnson under pressure and stands a greater than 50% chance of being gone within months.

[Vassenor]

This is about the government not wanting to be subject to the rule of law, not immigrants.

The rule of law against subjecting those who violate the rule of law to the rule of law.

Right.

Because how dare we have to accept that anyone who comes to this country has rights that must be respected.

[Armeattla]

AFAIK the Rwanda plan exists so the UK just doesn't have to deal with any asylum applicants by just deporting them to Rwanda and then dragging out the application process untill the asylum seekers simply die. IIRC they lost the deal with France where the official UK border was on the french side of the channel so they wouldn't have to deal with asylum seekers themselves, but have the french do that for them.

The colonialists and imperialists doing their darndest to make sure they don't have to deal with the consequences of their actions.

On another note.
Brexit is gonna weigh on the worker's pockets.

[The Huskar Social Union]

My prediction for this week: Labour take Wakefield by a large margin, Lib Dems take Tiverton and Honiton by a reasonable but not overwhelming margin, Johnson under pressure and stands a greater than 50% chance of being gone within months.

Dont be silly, we all know the wildcard NIP are gona take Wakefield!

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

When the NIPs inevitably triumph, will they be building a big beautiful dry stone wall to keep out the southerners?