UK Politics Thread X: Boris party report released

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Must be a good year for aerial archaeology.

[Souseiseki]

Boris Johnson rules out taking immediate action to tackle the cost of living crisis

This really is a zombie government. He's even more of a useless cunt as a caretaker PM than he was as the actual PM.

missed the "rules out" part and i was like "oh that's surprisingly good"

useless prick to the absolute end

[Ifreann]

Boris Johnson rules out taking immediate action to tackle the cost of living crisis

This really is a zombie government. He's even more of a useless cunt as a caretaker PM than he was as the actual PM.

missed the "rules out" part and i was like "oh that's surprisingly good"

useless prick to the absolute end

I mean, if he did take immediate action, it would probably be to make things worse.

[Armeattla]

Polio has reared it's head in London.
Yes, that Polio.

[Ostroeuropa]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sta ... iscover-it

It’s time for Tory socialism.

a philosophy, not a doctrine, because it begins by rejecting economic dogma, even materialism on the basis that man does not live by bread alone. Its genius is that it makes culture the engine of policy. Liberal conservatives start by saying ‘how do we grow the economy?’ – to make us rich and give us freedom. Tory socialists begin with ‘what kind of society do we want?’ – and then choose the economic strategy to produce that aim. Personally, I’d like strong families, the chance to exercise my talents, a thriving civil society and a vibrant sphere of leisure and art. Now, it’s conceivable that the way to get this involves free markets and tax cuts, but sometimes the state can be a helpful actor. Take agriculture. I want a countryside populated with family farms, because they provide my food, manage my ecology and keep us all grounded in the soil. For this, they need markets, low tax, low regulation etc. But given how low returns can be, they might also need subsidies – and to protect them from foreign competition, they might require an aggressive tariff...

Today’s constant search for the new Mrs Thatcher is irritating because it jettisons the decades of history that came before her, which teach us that the Conservative party has survived by identifying what the voters want and giving it to them...

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By Tory socialism, I mean an approach to politics that puts the spiritual before the economic, and which situates the human being within a community that is shaped by tradition and custom. What this brand of socialism has always rejected is social conflict, be it the class war of Marxism or the race/sexual battles of identity politics.

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[Armeattla]

I bloody hope that is satire...
That article is absolutely f#cking demented.

[Tinhampton]

I bloody hope that is satire...
That article is absolutely f#cking demented.

In what regards, or do you think the Conservative Party is irredeemably neoliberal? Personally I paid more attention to Ostro's enthusiastic deployment of POGCHAMP

[Armeattla]

I bloody hope that is satire...
That article is absolutely f#cking demented.

In what regards, or do you think the Conservative Party is irredeemably neoliberal? Personally I paid more attention to Ostro's enthusiastic deployment of POGCHAMP

Because that article 100 and 1% misses what socialism actually is, and just buzzwords on about it's own genius.
Market interventionism is not socialism. Anti-egalitarnianism is anti-socialist. Elitism and hierarchies are anti-socialist. And social interventionism is not socialism either.
That article makes bloody champagne socialists and social democrats look sane while looking like a cheap offshoot of bloody strasserites.

But I suppose it follows the trend of the USA, where even social democracy is decried as radical, dangerous socialism.

[Ostroeuropa]

In what regards, or do you think the Conservative Party is irredeemably neoliberal? Personally I paid more attention to Ostro's enthusiastic deployment of POGCHAMP

Because that article 100 and 1% misses what socialism actually is, and just buzzwords on about it's own genius.
Market interventionism is not socialism. Anti-egalitarnianism is anti-socialist. Elitism and hierarchies are anti-socialist. And social interventionism is not socialism either.
That article makes bloody champagne socialists and social democrats look sane while looking like a cheap offshoot of bloody strasserites.

But I suppose it follows the trend of the USA, where even social democracy is decried as radical, dangerous socialism.

Marx himself called this tendency "Conservative Socialism" or "Borgeousie Socialism" and there's a multitude of right wing socialist schools he and others have identified. For that matter, Conservative Socialism as a term predates marx's work by almost 20 years, and there are plenty of scholars who note "Right Wing Socialism" as a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeois_socialism

"Bourgeois socialism or conservative socialism was a term used by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in various pieces, including in The Communist Manifesto. Conservative socialism was used as a rebuke by Marx for certain strains of socialism, but it has also been used by proponents of such a system."

I think ultimately you are confused or do not understand the distinction between Marxism and Socialism. Conservative Socialism isn't Marxist. It is however Socialist. Even Marx recognized this.

[Armeattla]

Because that article 100 and 1% misses what socialism actually is, and just buzzwords on about it's own genius.
Market interventionism is not socialism. Anti-egalitarnianism is anti-socialist. Elitism and hierarchies are anti-socialist. And social interventionism is not socialism either.
That article makes bloody champagne socialists and social democrats look sane while looking like a cheap offshoot of bloody strasserites.

But I suppose it follows the trend of the USA, where even social democracy is decried as radical, dangerous socialism.

Marx himself called this tendency "Conservative Socialism" or "Borgeousie Socialism" and there's a multitude of right wing socialist schools he and others have identified. For that matter, Conservative Socialism as a term predates marx's work by almost 20 years, and there are plenty of scholars who note "Right Wing Socialism" as a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeois_socialism

"Bourgeois socialism or conservative socialism was a term used by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in various pieces, including in The Communist Manifesto. Conservative socialism was used as a rebuke by Marx for certain strains of socialism, but it has also been used by proponents of such a system."

I think ultimately you are confused or do not understand the distinction between Marxism and Socialism. Conservative Socialism isn't Marxist. It is however Socialist. Even Marx recognized this.

I mean, I don't see how this article somehow advocates for collectivization or democratization of the means of production, which I would argue is a core principle of socialism, hell even the reformist socialists got that memo.

The article uses "socialism" as a buzzword antonym to the current neoliberal laissez-faire status quo.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

and in today's Ostro: Failing to identify mercantilism and the fact that class conflict is central to socialism

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

People who aren't UK citizens and have never lived in the UK get to vote on the next PM when the rest of us don't

Beyond the shores of the UK, a small community of devoted Conservative supporters have had their eyes glued to the twists and turns of the party's leadership contest.

As paid-up Conservative members who joined at least three months before the ballot closes, they get a vote in the election to pick the next British prime minister.

Under party rules, these overseas members do not need British citizenship to cast a ballot, nor the right to vote in a UK general election.

Provided they paid their annual membership fee, they can have a role in shaping the political future of the UK - as Giuseppe Dottore did this month.

He is part of a voter base that makes up about 1% of the party's estimated 160,000-strong membership.

An Italian lawyer who has never been a resident or a citizen of the UK, Mr Dottore is one of the roughly 1,600 members of Conservative Abroad. It is the international branch of the party, with local groups in countries worldwide - from Spain to Vietnam.

"Anyone living anywhere in the world is welcome to join Conservatives Abroad from just £25 per year," its website advertises.

I feel like there ought to be some question about who these people are, and in what countries.

[Armeattla]

People who aren't UK citizens and have never lived in the UK get to vote on the next PM when the rest of us don't

I feel like there ought to be some question about who these people are, and in what countries.

Party of the wallet. All that needs to be said.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

People who aren't UK citizens and have never lived in the UK get to vote on the next PM when the rest of us don't

I feel like there ought to be some question about who these people are, and in what countries.

Party of the wallet. All that needs to be said.

"I like Liz Truss' approach to the economy" - Vlad P., Conservative Abroad Member Moscow

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Party of the wallet. All that needs to be said.

"I like Liz Truss' approach to the economy" - Vlad P., Conservative Abroad Member Moscow

At some point in the future, people are going to ask how the Conservative Party went from Winston Churchill to high treason.

[Armeattla]

Party of the wallet. All that needs to be said.

"I like Liz Truss' approach to the economy" - Vlad P., Conservative Abroad Member Moscow

If you want to put the boot in, just look at my ties to Putin.
There really is no point disputing, Brexit very very clearly suits him.
Russian Tory Party Donors Members: give us a big fat bonus.

- Boris J.
Courtesy of Cassetteboy - yes I know, second time.

[Forsher]

I'm sure this is just a silly puff piece designed to get PETA some attention. But...

Near where I live in Leicester is a roundabout called Pork Pie Island, named after the nearby Pork Pie Library which has a distinctive 1930's design. PETA have written a letter to the mayor suggesting it be renamed to "Vegan Pie Roundabout". Incidentally the term 'vegan' was coined in Leicester in 1944 by Donald Watson, co-founder of The Vegan Society, who was a teacher in the city.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news ... ck-7447540

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... e-62491414

Obviously it is not going to be renamed...

Goodbye Pork Pie

I feel like there ought to be some question about who these people are, and in what countries.

In a rationally devised parliament, some substantial but nevertheless minority portion of seats would be elected from the international community in order that countries are held to account for their contributions to global issues.

However, I'm not convinced this mechanism approximates this. Rather, it seems like a pay to play scheme that has the side effect of diminishing self-determination.

[The Nihilistic view]

People who aren't UK citizens and have never lived in the UK get to vote on the next PM when the rest of us don't

Beyond the shores of the UK, a small community of devoted Conservative supporters have had their eyes glued to the twists and turns of the party's leadership contest.

As paid-up Conservative members who joined at least three months before the ballot closes, they get a vote in the election to pick the next British prime minister.

Under party rules, these overseas members do not need British citizenship to cast a ballot, nor the right to vote in a UK general election.

Provided they paid their annual membership fee, they can have a role in shaping the political future of the UK - as Giuseppe Dottore did this month.

He is part of a voter base that makes up about 1% of the party's estimated 160,000-strong membership.

An Italian lawyer who has never been a resident or a citizen of the UK, Mr Dottore is one of the roughly 1,600 members of Conservative Abroad. It is the international branch of the party, with local groups in countries worldwide - from Spain to Vietnam.

"Anyone living anywhere in the world is welcome to join Conservatives Abroad from just £25 per year," its website advertises.

I feel like there ought to be some question about who these people are, and in what countries.

So when I tell you that Labour and the Lib Dems have similar party arms (maybe others too) your response is?

[Ifreann]

People who aren't UK citizens and have never lived in the UK get to vote on the next PM when the rest of us don't



I feel like there ought to be some question about who these people are, and in what countries.

So when I tell you that Labour and the Lib Dems have similar party arms (maybe others too) your response is?

Are those party arms also choosing the next Prime Minister?

[The Free Joy State]

I feel like there ought to be some question about who these people are, and in what countries.

I can't help but feel that allowing people who do not, have never, and likely may never live in a country to vote for a Prime Minister (when the majority of citizens in that country have no say) is not a good system.

Party of the wallet. All that needs to be said.

"I like Liz Truss' approach to the economy" - Vlad P., Conservative Abroad Member Moscow

"It's so hard to choose. Both of them have taken beneficial approaches to foreign policy." -- Mr. Xi, Conservative Abroad Member, Beijing

Citation.

People who aren't UK citizens and have never lived in the UK get to vote on the next PM when the rest of us don't



I feel like there ought to be some question about who these people are, and in what countries.

So when I tell you that Labour and the Lib Dems have similar party arms (maybe others too) your response is?

If they're also choosing the Prime Minister, it's also not a good system.

[Philjia]

and in today's Ostro: Failing to identify mercantilism and the fact that class conflict is central to socialism

Well, no. The Utopian socialists (As Marx and Engels named them), who predated the anarchists and the Marxists, did not believe in class conflict. They believed that people would voluntarily adopt socialism through self contained socialists communities within existing society. What our resident social nationalist is describing is a form of utopianism, albeit in a rather muddled way that misidentifies the Conservatives as utopian thinkers, when they lean much more towards the organic society as described by Durkheim.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Eejits round my way were setting off fireworks last night. No doubt celebrating the tinder dry conditions.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Eejits round my way were setting off fireworks last night. No doubt celebrating the tinder dry conditions.

Over here we thankfully banned the traditional August 1st celebrations in most places.
It's all fun, games and denial until it's on your doorstep. And we're going to be seeing a lot more extremes of weather on our doorsteps too.

[Ostroeuropa]

and in today's Ostro: Failing to identify mercantilism and the fact that class conflict is central to socialism

It's central to marxism, not to socialism.

[Forsher]

Eejits round my way were setting off fireworks last night. No doubt celebrating the tinder dry conditions.

The authentic Australasian Guy Fawkes experience.