UK Politics Thread X: Boris party report released

[Point Blob]

Okay, so you and that guy who was arrested thinks Yousaf is bigoted but I still don't see why either of you have that opinion. Well, aside from this possible attack on a teacher for being "Hindi".

This far away from Scotland, the only presence he has at all is when he is causing a scene for being a prick... and I could count the number of current politicians I have any awareness of at all on one hand. The fact that I even have any idea who he is happens to be quite damning. I've already forgotten the name of that lettuce prime-minister we had between the current prick and Boris.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Home Office starts ad campaign to deter Albanian migrants

The Home Office is launching an ad campaign targeting Albanian nationals to deter them from migrating to the UK.

The adverts, which will run in Albanian on Facebook and Instagram, will warn that people will "face being detained and removed" if they make the journey.

The government said the campaign, starting next week, would "make clear the perils" migrants on small boats face.

Labour said the move "beggars belief", and the asylum system was "in chaos".

According to the Home Office, Albania is a "safe and prosperous country" and many nationals "are travelling through multiple countries to make the journey to the UK" before making "spurious asylum claims when they arrive".

The campaign follows a similar social media drive launched by the government in August last year.
Home Office advert targeting people considering entering the UK without permission

I am reminded of why Leicester has so many Asians.Back in the 1970s during the Uganda crisis, Leicester City Council paid for an advert in the Ugandan Argus to discourage Asians fleeing Idi Amin from coming to Leicester. It backfired spectacularly because it gave Leicester name recognition among those who fled to the UK.

Ugandan Asians advert foolish and crude

[Great Britain eke Northern Ireland]

The Home Office are incapable of rapidly removing large numbers of aliens. Part of me believes this is just reverse psychology, because it’s clear that government loves migrants more than their own charges.

[Ostroeuropa]

The means to handle this realistically are to go in for national identification. But we won't do that. The alternative is to move away from a small business economy into an economy built around several enormous employers. We won't do that either. we could just stop speaking English. We won't do that. Or we could just shoot them. Which we also will not do.

But practically speaking there aren't solutions other than these because of the nature of our economy and society, as well as international standards relating to taking back people we can't prove belong to other countries.

Of these solutions, one is mildly authoritarian, one is economically questionable and would require an enormous overhaul, one is basically impossible, and the other is insane. So... ID cards, really. But we won't. We are having an enormous cope over it being used for voting already, let alone expanding that to cover basically all aspects of society.

[The Huskar Social Union]

UDA plasters terror flags outside new apartments complex

UDA bosses have plastered the outskirts of a new social housing complex with terror flags to prevent Catholics and immigrants from moving in.

Members of the crime cartel were ordered to cover the streets around the site of the old Newtownabbey Community High School with South East Antrim (SEA) UDA and UFF banners.

Sources in the gang said the blatant act of intimidation was in response to rumours that some of the 111 under-construction houses and apartments on the edge of the loyalist Rathcoole estate were be allocated to Catholics and foreign nationals.

“The Butcher [the UDA leader in Rathcoole] sent the men out the other week to cover the bottom of Rathcoole Drive and the Shore Road in UDA flags,” added an insider.

“They had specific orders to put a massive UDA flag, the size of four normal ones, at the entrance to the development because of rumours Catholics will be moving in.

“The Butcher was complaining that there are ‘too many Taigs and Muslims’ living close to Rathcoole, and he wants to put a stop to it.”

The Apex Housing development will consist of 76 houses and 35 apartments, eight of which are to be sold as affordable homes.

The apartments, which will be situated in a cul-de-sac, are specially designed to meet the needs of residents aged 55 and older.

A children’s play-park is also being constructed and 1,200 additional trees planted.

When planning permission for the site was granted, Apex Housing development director Barry Kerr said: “The provision of high-quality social and affordable housing is a fitting use for what is an important site within the local community.”

UDA members told Sunday Life how the terror gang’s flag-flying spree had also brought it into conflict with the rival UVF.

“More than half the [Rathcoole] estate is covered in UDA flags, even streets which are normally reserved for the UVF,” added our source.

“The UVF isn’t happy, especially as both groups had to bring in mediators a few years back when a UDA man was pictured taking down UVF flags and replacing them with UDA ones. That nearly started a punch-up.”

Among the UDA members seen climbing lampposts earlier this month was the gang’s former Rathcoole ‘commander’. He was demoted and pistol-whipped by its bosses two summers ago for terrorising the estate and stealing drugs money.

Before he was stood down, the thug liked nothing better than to humiliate older UDA men by getting them to put up flags.

“Now the shoe is on the other foot and he’s raging at having to climb a ladder and stick UDA flags on lampposts,” added our UDA source.

“The Butcher is doing it solely to humiliate the ex-commander, who is cracking up at being made a fool of in public.”

The saturation of Rathcoole with UDA flags has also been mirrored in other loyalist areas controlled by the terror gang.

Antrim, Ballymena, Carrickfergus, Larne and parts of north Belfast have been festooned in its banners.

Sources in the group said the flags were to compensate for the SEA UDA’s failure to properly commemorate the 20th anniversary of the murder of its notorious leader, John ‘Grugg’ Gregg, on February 1.

Sources in the gang said the blatant act of intimidation was in response to rumours that some of the 111 under-construction houses and apartments on the edge of the loyalist Rathcoole estate were be allocated to Catholics and foreign nationals.

“The Butcher [the UDA leader in Rathcoole] sent the men out the other week to cover the bottom of Rathcoole Drive and the Shore Road in UDA flags,” added an insider.

“They had specific orders to put a massive UDA flag, the size of four normal ones, at the entrance to the development because of rumours Catholics will be moving in.

“The Butcher was complaining that there are ‘too many Taigs and Muslims’ living close to Rathcoole, and he wants to put a stop to it.”

"Too many Taigs and Muslims" some things never change.

Now i shall sit back and watch as the PSNI does absolutely nothing about the latest display of Loyalist Terrorist intimidation towards innocent people for having the audacity to exist.

[Vassenor]

The Home Office are incapable of rapidly removing large numbers of aliens. Part of me believes this is just reverse psychology, because it’s clear that government loves migrants more than their own charges.

Or we have more important things going on than your desperate need for ethnic purity.

[Ostroeuropa]

The Home Office are incapable of rapidly removing large numbers of aliens. Part of me believes this is just reverse psychology, because it’s clear that government loves migrants more than their own charges.

Or we have more important things going on than your desperate need for ethnic purity.

Like underfunded public services, stagnant wages, and a housing crisis?

[Vassenor]

Or we have more important things going on than your desperate need for ethnic purity.

Like underfunded public services, stagnant wages, and a housing crisis?

Yes. And despite what conservative talking heads would have you believe those things are neither caused by immigration nor will be solved by deporting all the migrants.

[Mtwara]

Well there is an argument that unskilled and low-skilled immigration has contributed to the UK's percieved low productivity.

The huge explosion of hand car washes ran by Eastern European and Turkish migrants is a good example of that, which I think has happened over the last decade. Somehow, teams of lowly (probably illegally) paid migrants manage to undercut car washing machines...

Then the other argument is that if it's too easy to bring in skilled migrants, then either migrants with experience, or migrants willing to work for less displace less experienced Brits, or Brits with higher standards.

So in theory, by limiting migration we could improve our productivity by forcing UK businesses to become more efficient, whether by better management, or by automation.

I think there's enough truth in both of those arguments to make Rishi's statements sound persuasive to a signifiant chunk of the population - and it may be that he believes it himself, but actually when measured skilled migrants seem to improve productivity and the effects of unskilled migration on unskilled Brits tends to actually be quite small.

[Vassenor]

Well there is an argument that unskilled and low-skilled immigration has contributed to the UK's percieved low productivity.

The huge explosion of hand car washes ran by Eastern European and Turkish migrants is a good example of that, which I think has happened over the last decade. Somehow, teams of lowly (probably illegally) paid migrants manage to undercut car washing machines...

Then the other argument is that if it's too easy to bring in skilled migrants, then either migrants with experience, or migrants willing to work for less displace less experienced Brits, or Brits with higher standards.

So in theory, by limiting migration we could improve our productivity by forcing UK businesses to become more efficient, whether by better management, or by automation.

I think there's enough truth in both of those arguments to make Rishi's statements sound persuasive to a signifiant chunk of the population - and it may be that he believes it himself, but actually when measured skilled migrants seem to improve productivity and the effects of unskilled migration on unskilled Brits tends to actually be quite small.

Or he knows it’s bullshit but immigrants are a convenient scapegoat for the government’s fuckups.

[Mtwara]

There's an element of that, but Rishi and other Tories have talked about the productivity problem for a while now, adnd Boris Johnson said it outright.

https://www.reuters.com/business/weak-i ... 021-11-15/

[Saor Alba]

The Home Office are incapable of rapidly removing large numbers of aliens. Part of me believes this is just reverse psychology, because it’s clear that government loves migrants more than their own charges.

The UK certainly has the state capacity to at least tackle the ones it knows of. The big worry is how many the Home Office have lost track of. Periodically we get news articles popping up about them losing track of hundreds of thousands of migrants. Very worrying stuff.

Well there is an argument that unskilled and low-skilled immigration has contributed to the UK's percieved low productivity.

The huge explosion of hand car washes ran by Eastern European and Turkish migrants is a good example of that, which I think has happened over the last decade. Somehow, teams of lowly (probably illegally) paid migrants manage to undercut car washing machines...

Barbers, American candy shops, phone shops, vape shops too. They pop up and then disappear half a year later before reopening under a different branding.

Speaking of the vape shops, why are there so many of them and why are most of them not even advertising as vape shops?? For my sins, I was in Birmingham not too long ago and lost my phone charger. Opened up maps to find a computer or phone shop and went to the nearest one. Walked in and the shop was 90% vapes. There was a single keyboard and mouse set, a bunch of phone cases, and some chargers in the corner. No mention of vapes on Google maps, none on the outside of the store. Absolutely insane.

[Hirota]

Speaking of the vape shops, why are there so many of them and why are most of them not even advertising as vape shops?? For my sins, I was in Birmingham not too long ago and lost my phone charger. Opened up maps to find a computer or phone shop and went to the nearest one. Walked in and the shop was 90% vapes. There was a single keyboard and mouse set, a bunch of phone cases, and some chargers in the corner. No mention of vapes on Google maps, none on the outside of the store. Absolutely insane.

It's because of rules around the advertising of nicotine products online.

[Ostroeuropa]

Like underfunded public services, stagnant wages, and a housing crisis?

Yes. And despite what conservative talking heads would have you believe those things are neither caused by immigration nor will be solved by deporting all the migrants.

Each of these things is made insoluble by mass migration. Limiting migration is necessary, though not sufficient, to their resolution. Do you disagree with that and if so, how?

[Celritannia]

For my sins, I was in Birmingham

No one deserves that fate.

[Celritannia]

Yes. And despite what conservative talking heads would have you believe those things are neither caused by immigration nor will be solved by deporting all the migrants.

Each of these things is made insoluble by mass migration. Limiting migration is necessary, though not sufficient, to their resolution. Do you disagree with that and if so, how?

A regular topic for those who disagree with immigration, with little evidence to support it

When a crisis happens blame "the other", it should work eventually, right? RIGHT?

[Vassenor]

Yes. And despite what conservative talking heads would have you believe those things are neither caused by immigration nor will be solved by deporting all the migrants.

Each of these things is made insoluble by mass migration. Limiting migration is necessary, though not sufficient, to their resolution. Do you disagree with that and if so, how?

Can we see the proof of that?

[Hirota]

Each of these things is made insoluble by mass migration. Limiting migration is necessary, though not sufficient, to their resolution. Do you disagree with that and if so, how?

A regular topic for those who disagree with immigration, with little evidence to support it

When a crisis happens blame "the other", it should work eventually, right? RIGHT?

Good sources, I'd add this one to the list too

https://fullfact.org/immigration/impact ... -services/

I personally agree with the jist of that argument in your sources. More people doesn't necessarily mean more people using public services.

Immigrants are generally younger (as per one of your sources) and thus less likely to have health issues, for example.

The only one I do think there is a compelling argument for is housing - people have to eat and sleep somewhere, and we already have a housing crisis. More people looking to live somewhere is only going to contribute to that. Indeed, the third of your sources appears to indicate that given they spend so much of their income on rental - migrants might be trapped in the rental market more than British-born residents?

Reducing the number of migrants will probably help, but the bigger problem is the lack of houses.

[Celritannia]

A regular topic for those who disagree with immigration, with little evidence to support it

When a crisis happens blame "the other", it should work eventually, right? RIGHT?

Good sources, I'd add this one to the list too

https://fullfact.org/immigration/impact ... -services/

I personally agree with the jist of that argument in your sources. More people doesn't necessarily mean more people using public services.

Immigrants are generally younger (as per one of your sources) and thus less likely to have health issues, for example.

The only one I do think there is a compelling argument for is housing - people have to eat and sleep somewhere, and we already have a housing crisis. More people looking to live somewhere is only going to contribute to that. Indeed, the third of your sources appears to indicate that given they spend so much of their income on rental - migrants might be trapped in the rental market more than British-born residents?

Reducing the number of migrants will probably help, but the bigger problem is the lack of houses.

The housing crisis has a lot of other factors, even with the migrant crisis being a small factor.
Wage stagnation, the rent economy, landlords owning multiple properties, increase of prices for first time buyers.

Talking with my mum, my parents bought their house for a £24,000 mortgage back in the 80s when they were both in their 20s, and my mum didn't work at the time. Just shows how high housing prices have increased over the last several decades.

[Ostroeuropa]

Each of these things is made insoluble by mass migration. Limiting migration is necessary, though not sufficient, to their resolution. Do you disagree with that and if so, how?

A regular topic for those who disagree with immigration, with little evidence to support it

When a crisis happens blame "the other", it should work eventually, right? RIGHT?

1. So there is in fact a cost.
2. So there is in fact an impact.
3. So there is in fact evidence they're taking up space in the housing sector (Bizarre you'd be in denial of that one and call it unproven).

Did you read your own links?

Good sources, I'd add this one to the list too

https://fullfact.org/immigration/impact ... -services/

I personally agree with the jist of that argument in your sources. More people doesn't necessarily mean more people using public services.

Immigrants are generally younger (as per one of your sources) and thus less likely to have health issues, for example.

The only one I do think there is a compelling argument for is housing - people have to eat and sleep somewhere, and we already have a housing crisis. More people looking to live somewhere is only going to contribute to that. Indeed, the third of your sources appears to indicate that given they spend so much of their income on rental - migrants might be trapped in the rental market more than British-born residents?

Reducing the number of migrants will probably help, but the bigger problem is the lack of houses.

The housing crisis has a lot of other factors, even with the migrant crisis being a small factor.
Wage stagnation, the rent economy, landlords owning multiple properties, increase of prices for first time buyers.

Talking with my mum, my parents bought their house for a £24,000 mortgage back in the 80s when they were both in their 20s, and my mum didn't work at the time. Just shows how high housing prices have increased over the last several decades.

The most houses built in any single year in post-war British history would not sufficient to cover half of our current yearly immigration rate. As I said, drastically cutting immigration is a necessary but not sufficient factor.

Like i've pointed out before, I think you could easily just put a hard cap on migration by saying that it cant' exceed the number of new houses built. At that point anybody who pretends it's not a problem is basically openly admitting they're just ideologically committed to immigration regardless of its actual impact in reality. Such a cap wouldn't even begin to solve our housing crisis, but it would prevent it getting any worse.

For 2022 that would mean 191,801, An immigration figure not seen in the last 24 years. And incidentally the highest rate of housebuilding since well before that.

But sure. Immigration didn't cause the housing crisis, apparently, despite exceeding the rate of housing being made available for a quarter of a century.

And with 14% of the population being foreign born, i'm sure this also has no impact on food pricing. Despite 60% of our food being locally produced.

I suppose that must be one of those strengthening aspects of diversity, that we'll end up with flash frozen and artificially preserved drek transported over sea and by air, and worse overall diets due to having to import food from... the places the immigrants came from, probably. How wonderful for an economy and health service to be faced with obesity, lower intelligence, and earlier onsets of diseases and cognitive decline so that we can pretend this is all beneficial to society.

And ofcourse, let's not ignore that we're recruiting immigrant nurses and doctors from "Red List" countries, countries the world health organization prohibits recruitment from due to a chronic shortage causing a health crisis in those countries. 3/7 of our "Top country of origins" are from the red list, and 4/20.

So you know. Bang on about international law for the Rwanda plan, but the pro-immigration side has a lot to answer for. Causing untold infrastructural damage and harm that leads to the deaths of thousands or millions of brown people; just Blairite things.

This entire project is unnatural and unprecedented. It is devastating to societies both at home and abroad. It needs to end.

EDIT:

Oh it's getting worse.

https://www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-events/ ... -countries

This should realistically inform the response to the crowd who bafflingly simultaneously accuse others of racism while simultaneously claiming "Well we need them to do NHS jobs.".

International recruitment must be ethical and balanced with domestic investment, the College says.

We can infer the current policy is unethical and unbalanced.

[Celritannia]

A regular topic for those who disagree with immigration, with little evidence to support it

When a crisis happens blame "the other", it should work eventually, right? RIGHT?

1. So there is in fact a cost.
2. So there is in fact an impact.
3. So there is in fact evidence they're taking up space in the housing sector (Bizarre you'd be in denial of that one and call it unproven).

Did you read your own links?

The housing crisis has a lot of other factors, even with the migrant crisis being a small factor.
Wage stagnation, the rent economy, landlords owning multiple properties, increase of prices for first time buyers.

Talking with my mum, my parents bought their house for a £24,000 mortgage back in the 80s when they were both in their 20s, and my mum didn't work at the time. Just shows how high housing prices have increased over the last several decades.

The most houses built in any single year in post-war British history would not sufficient to cover half of our current yearly immigration rate. As I said, drastically cutting immigration is a necessary but not sufficient factor.

Like i've pointed out before, I think you could easily just put a hard cap on migration by saying that it cant' exceed the number of new houses built. At that point anybody who pretends it's not a problem is basically openly admitting they're just ideologically committed to immigration regardless of its actual impact in reality. Such a cap wouldn't even begin to solve our housing crisis, but it would prevent it getting any worse.

For 2022 that would mean 191,801, An immigration figure not seen in the last 24 years. And incidentally the highest rate of housebuilding since well before that.

But sure. Immigration didn't cause the housing crisis, apparently, despite exceeding the rate of housing being made available for a quarter of a century.

And with 14% of the population being foreign born, i'm sure this also has no impact on food pricing. Despite 60% of our food being locally produced.

I suppose that must be one of those strengthening aspects of diversity, that we'll end up with flash frozen and artificially preserved drek transported over sea and by air, and worse overall diets due to having to import food from... the places the immigrants came from, probably. How wonderful for an economy and health service to be faced with obesity, lower intelligence, and earlier onsets of diseases and cognitive decline so that we can pretend this is all beneficial to society.

And ofcourse, let's not ignore that we're recruiting immigrant nurses and doctors from "Red List" countries, countries the world health organization prohibits recruitment from due to a chronic shortage causing a health crisis in those countries. 3/7 of our "Top country of origins" are from the red list, and 4/20.

So you know. Bang on about international law for the Rwanda plan, but the pro-immigration side has a lot to answer for. Causing untold infrastructural damage and harm that leads to the deaths of thousands or millions of brown people; just Blairite things.

This entire project is unnatural and unprecedented. It is devastating to societies both at home and abroad. It needs to end.

EDIT:

Oh it's getting worse.

https://www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-events/ ... -countries

This should realistically inform the response to the crowd who bafflingly simultaneously accuse others of racism while simultaneously claiming "Well we need them to do NHS jobs.".

International recruitment must be ethical and balanced with domestic investment, the College says.

We can infer the current policy is unethical and unbalanced.

I did read the articles, but the evidence of immigration and a burden on the UK health Sector, wages, and housing are limited and are only supported by nationalists with no evidence.

How wonderful for an economy and health service to be faced with obesity, lower intelligence, and earlier onsets of diseases and cognitive decline so that we can pretend this is all beneficial to society

I'm sorry, what? Lower intelligence? Earlier onset diseases? Cognative decline? What BS is this?

[Fartsniffage]

I'm sorry, what? Lower intelligence? Earlier onset diseases? Cognative decline? What BS is this?

All are things caused by a low quality diet.

[El Lazaro]

I'm sorry, what? Lower intelligence? Earlier onset diseases? Cognative decline? What BS is this?

All are things caused by a low quality diet.

Sooo, British food? Seems like a pro-immigration argument.

[Ostroeuropa]

All are things caused by a low quality diet.

Sooo, British food? Seems like a pro-immigration argument.

They're caused by a diet consisting of too much non-fresh produce, and the impact is not binary but cumulative. The more food we have to import the worse the impact will be, and we're already above the carrying capacity of our locale with just the native population. Each extra mouth to feed will make the population that can't afford to pay premium food prices for at least 81% of their diet stupider, more obese, more diseased, and facing cognitive decline earlier in life. The impacts on social mobility and equality also shouldn't be dismissed as a consequence of this as the availability of fresh produce begins to become even more limited over time and eventually completely out of reach for most people, tipping their diet into the fully processed range. The impact of this is that they effectively experience "Old Age" far earlier in life, which is why there's not much impact on people over 60 eating processed foods. They've already started to decline mentally and physically. But if you do it before that you end up "Old" in terms of mental ability and physical health, and the process does not appear to be reversible once triggered. Eventually you hit a point and your body decides to pack it in. The more processed food you eat, the earlier that happens.

This is definitely a very sensible way to handle our population pyramid crisis and only racists would say otherwise.

Let's also not consider what it will do to a society if by the time people have reached managerial and top governmental positions, their brains are goop and they should instead be in a care home. Oh. I suddenly understand everything.

We already eat 60% of our food locally on average, and that's using "Locally" as a metric. 60% of our diet is already low-quality as we also turn some of that local produce into processed foods. So it's making a problem that is already measurable and harming our society even worse each time we increase the population.

I did read the articles, but the evidence of immigration and a burden on the UK health Sector, wages, and housing are limited and are only supported by nationalists with no evidence.

Link one;

was estimated to cost between £60 million and £80 million per year.

Link two;

Low-wage workers are more likely to lose out from immigration, while medium and high-paid workers are more likely to gain, but the effects are small

Link three was you, not the link you gave, suggesting immigrants don't impact the housing market because they rent rather than buying. I do hope you understand why this is a nonsense link to show compared to total new residences VS immigration rate per year.

[Haganham]

Home Office starts ad campaign to deter Albanian migrants

The Home Office is launching an ad campaign targeting Albanian nationals to deter them from migrating to the UK.

The adverts, which will run in Albanian on Facebook and Instagram, will warn that people will "face being detained and removed" if they make the journey.

The government said the campaign, starting next week, would "make clear the perils" migrants on small boats face.

Labour said the move "beggars belief", and the asylum system was "in chaos".

According to the Home Office, Albania is a "safe and prosperous country" and many nationals "are travelling through multiple countries to make the journey to the UK" before making "spurious asylum claims when they arrive".

The campaign follows a similar social media drive launched by the government in August last year.
Home Office advert targeting people considering entering the UK without permission

I am reminded of why Leicester has so many Asians.Back in the 1970s during the Uganda crisis, Leicester City Council paid for an advert in the Ugandan Argus to discourage Asians fleeing Idi Amin from coming to Leicester. It backfired spectacularly because it gave Leicester name recognition among those who fled to the UK.

Ugandan Asians advert foolish and crude

Somehow my brain skipped over Office and just assumed it was Depot.
Very interesting read.