U.S Massacre Thread

[The Alma Mater]

So when it's the parents of the dead kids saying those things, what is your response?

Regardless if you're a parent or not; using dead children to further a set of ideas is rather shady if you ask me...

Welcome to the usa, where shooting kids and abortion are two of the most prominent political topics.

[Morfdon]

So when it's the parents of the dead kids saying those things, what is your response?

Regardless if you're a parent or not; using dead children to further a set of ideas is rather shady if you ask me...

All of this is needles death

[San Lumen]

Food for thought: The school district for Robb Elementary has its own police department with 5 officers and 1 security guard. The city of Uvalde's police department recieved just under 40% of the entire city's budget for the year and got a $500k grant from the state. Neither stopped the massacre.

Maybe it's time to reevaluate skyrocketing police budgets if they're not actually going to help.

This is actually a good point. The police did Jackshit. They should be held accountable for their failure instead of banning guns

Yeah don’t ask questions just shoot.

[Sordhau]

This is actually a good point. The police did Jackshit. They should be held accountable for their failure instead of banning guns

Yeah don’t ask questions just shoot.

Yeah don't ask questions just ban.

[Thermodolia]

People should be able to defend those kids.

If more guns is the only way to stop school shootings why has there not been a school shooting in the UK since 1996?

Different culture. It’s insane to think that what worked in the UK would work in the US and the reverse.

If I lived (meaning born and raised) in the UK I probably wouldn’t have ever owned any guns and most likely probably wouldn’t be as pro gun as I am. Similarly I bet that if you grew up in the US you’d also probably have a different opinion on guns than you do now.

[Forsher]

I don't think anyone said more guns alone would stop school shootings.

Why doesn’t it happen anywhere in Europe, Canada, Australia and most other advanced countries?

Because these countries are better than the US in every possible way and therefore have politicians that feel culpable? About everything, not just gun violence.

Sordhau's point about the why really is being ridiculous, but insofar as it's not, these countries don't differ purely along the lines of gun control. You get somewhere better by suggesting that after, say, Port Arthur, Australia has had few to no mass shootings because this is an internal comparison, but even that has intertemporal complications. You can't just look at "sane regulatory environment" and conclude "see! here's the answer" because maybe the actual difference is that before the 1980s Australia had an intensely regulated economy, which created a lasting sense of social cohesion lacking in the US.

NZ doesn't have riots because we have better riot regulation laws... we just don't, for some reason. All of these places (except maybe Canada, which I hear very little about and generally aren't bothered to learn more about) have riots all the time (Australia less so, I feel).

[The Alma Mater]

If more guns is the only way to stop school shootings why has there not been a school shooting in the UK since 1996?

I don't think anyone said more guns alone would stop school shootings.

I dunno, people here are arguing that being allowed to carry arms in school would go a long way.
They sofar have not answered the question WHO should be allowed to carry, how they would be trained etc.

[Mets Hayk]

Regardless if you're a parent or not; using dead children to further a set of ideas is rather shady if you ask me...

"I don't want other parents to suffer like I have" is apparently shady.

Sometimes it's best to pray and mourn than to go on live television and stoke the arguments between sides, yeah?

[Thermodolia]

No because the court would strike it down as unconstitutional. So even if you removed the filibuster you’d still not get anywhere as the court would just strike the law down.

Congrats you just wasted a bunch of time doing nothing and just spinning your wheels

The justices can then he held liable for the victims of mass shootings and told to take a hike.

But they can’t. You can’t hold a court liable for their decisions. If you did then the entire legal system you hold dear would utterly collapse as a victim of someone who got acquitted of murder could sue and hold the judge liable for not squashing the evidence that proved the guys innocence.

[American Legionaries]

Regardless if you're a parent or not; using dead children to further a set of ideas is rather shady if you ask me...

"I don't want other parents to suffer like I have" is apparently shady.

"An entire demographic of people deserves to be punished for what happened to my child" is shady as fuck.

[San Lumen]

The justices can then he held liable for the victims of mass shootings and told to take a hike.

But they can’t. You can’t hold a court liable for their decisions. If you did then the entire legal system you hold dear would utterly collapse as a victim of someone who got acquitted of murder could sue and hold the judge liable for not squashing the evidence that proved the guys innocence.

Then I guess children getting gunned down in school should be accepted as a normal thing.

[San Lumen]

"I don't want other parents to suffer like I have" is apparently shady.

"An entire demographic of people deserves to be punished for what happened to my child" is shady as fuck.

I know someone who was nearly paralyzed by the shooting in Las Vegas. Don’t play the victim complex with me. I’m sick of it.

[Forsher]

Don't say "weapon of war" like it's a bad thing.

Weapons of war are fucking awesome tbqh.

Wish I could afford one.

I’d love to get my hands on a T-34, T-72, and a Sherman

Good news, the everyday American ute is now the same size as a WWII tank (ish). Just buy one and mount it on caterpillar tracks and you're basically done.

I don't think anyone said more guns alone would stop school shootings.

I dunno, people here are arguing that being allowed to carry arms in school would go a long way.
They sofar have not answered the question WHO should be allowed to carry, how they would be trained etc.

Cleaning staff, duh.

Cleaners.

You understand.

[Thermodolia]

This is actually a good point. The police did Jackshit. They should be held accountable for their failure instead of banning guns

Yeah don’t ask questions just shoot.

I mean ya when you have a heavily armed guy who just crashed his vehicle in a school parking lot after being chased by said cops starts walking towards a target you drop that guy.

I know this because I was taught it. If you are trying to protect a target you protect that target, even if it means shoot first ask questions latter.

Still all of this is showing me that civilian people forces suck and policing should be done by a military branch

[Vassenor]

"I don't want other parents to suffer like I have" is apparently shady.

Sometimes it's best to pray and mourn than to go on live television and stoke the arguments between sides, yeah?

"Do not politicise this tragedy thoughts and prayers only"

[Ifreann]

"I don't want other parents to suffer like I have" is apparently shady.

Sometimes it's best to pray and mourn than to go on live television and stoke the arguments between sides, yeah?

You know, I saw someone on the bird site saying that he's a survivor of Columbine, and he has kids of his own in elementary school now. This problem has loomed over American society for a generation and is only getting worse. How is it ever to be solved if people do nothing but pray and mourn?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

cant you all americans just gather in 4th july with all your guns and let all this madness out ersumthing in one giant battle royale
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[American Legionaries]

"An entire demographic of people deserves to be punished for what happened to my child" is shady as fuck.

I know someone who was nearly paralyzed by the shooting in Las Vegas. Don’t play the victim complex with me. I’m sick of it.

Oh please, nobody gives a fuck who you say you know.

[San Lumen]

Yeah don’t ask questions just shoot.

I mean ya when you have a heavily armed guy who just crashed his vehicle in a school parking lot after being chased by said cops starts walking towards a target you drop that guy.

I know this because I was taught it. If you are trying to protect a target you protect that target, even if it means shoot first ask questions latter.

Still all of this is showing me that civilian people forces suck and policing should be done by a military branch

And yet you call me the totalitarian.

[Vassenor]

Sometimes it's best to pray and mourn than to go on live television and stoke the arguments between sides, yeah?

You know, I saw someone on the bird site saying that he's a survivor of Columbine, and he has kids of his own in elementary school now. This problem has loomed over American society for a generation and is only getting worse. How is it ever to be solved if people do nothing but pray and mourn?

Clearly we need to be praying harder.

[The Black Forrest]

Children shouldn’t be gunned down in school.

People should be able to defend those kids.

Hmmm? So armed parents should be sitting in each classroom?

[Mets Hayk]

Sometimes it's best to pray and mourn than to go on live television and stoke the arguments between sides, yeah?

"Do not politicise this tragedy thoughts and prayers only"

"Using dead children as political propaganda is a-okay!"

[Thermodolia]

Why doesn’t it happen anywhere in Europe, Canada, Australia and most other advanced countries?

Because these countries are better than the US in every possible way and therefore have politicians that feel culpable? About everything, not just gun violence.

Sordhau's point about the why really is being ridiculous, but insofar as it's not, these countries don't differ purely along the lines of gun control. You get somewhere better by suggesting that after, say, Port Arthur, Australia has had few to no mass shootings because this is an internal comparison, but even that has intertemporal complications. You can't just look at "sane regulatory environment" and conclude "see! here's the answer" because maybe the actual difference is that before the 1980s Australia had an intensely regulated economy, which created a lasting sense of social cohesion lacking in the US.

NZ doesn't have riots because we have better riot regulation laws... we just don't, for some reason. All of these places (except maybe Canada, which I hear very little about and generally aren't bothered to learn more about) have riots all the time (Australia less so, I feel).

It’s cultural. That’s what it boils down to and the USA’s hyper individualistic libertarian culture is what’s preventing a lot of things.

But it’s a lot easier said than done to change a culture

[American Legionaries]

I mean ya when you have a heavily armed guy who just crashed his vehicle in a school parking lot after being chased by said cops starts walking towards a target you drop that guy.

I know this because I was taught it. If you are trying to protect a target you protect that target, even if it means shoot first ask questions latter.

Still all of this is showing me that civilian people forces suck and policing should be done by a military branch

And yet you call me the totalitarian.

Yes, we call the person advocating for the oppression of millions totalitarian.

[Forsher]

"I don't want other parents to suffer like I have" is apparently shady.

"An entire demographic of people deserves to be punished for what happened to my child" is shady as fuck.

This is how the real world works, yes.

Person: Someone fucked up. I didn't realise they fucked up until [tragic event] happened to [me/relative/friend]. Government, do something about it.

Most of the world: okay, we'll try.

US: don't hate the game, hate the player

Guns aren't special.