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Paddy O Fernature
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:27 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Heloin wrote:You’re going to be really upset when you learn that’s how most words and classifications work.

Not true, actually. Words and classifications especially usually have a reason why they're applied to a certain thing, place, or concept.


Agreed.

The term "Assault Weapons" literally came about in the 80's as a deliberate attempt by shady unethical politicians to try and deliberately blur the line between actual military grade arms and semi automatic rifles by deliberately misidentifying them. Sadly, this is an agenda that persists even today, as evident by people still misusing the term to falsely identify countless semiautomatics. As such, the only way to combat this bullshit is to correct it with the truth thus hopefully educating the misinformed.

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Postby Adamede » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:28 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Alaska doesn't have exclusive rights to dangerous wildlife in the United States. Also, one more time for the people in the back, "Assault Weapons" is a made up term coined by AG's to describe common semi-automatic rifles.

Literally every word or phrase is a made up term coined to describe something or other.

It is a word with no real practical meaning. For example, per the state of California these are all not Assault Weapons.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:28 pm

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Necroghastia wrote:Literally every word or phrase is a made up term coined to describe something or other.

It is a word with no real practical meaning. For example, per the state of California these are all not Assault Weapons.


You know what.. I don't hate that bottom rifle.

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Postby Adamede » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:29 pm

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Very good. NY's may issue system was blatantly rigged against poor and colored people, glad to see it being thrown in the trash where it belongs.


Curiosity. Have any numbers on that?

This is just NYC but its indiciative of how it often works out.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:31 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Adamede wrote:It is a word with no real practical meaning. For example, per the state of California these are all not Assault Weapons.


You know what.. I don't hate that bottom rifle.

Yah its pretty, but if I was going to put wood on an AR I'd want to go down the NCR service rifle first. Doesn't help that the lowrrs are propreotary and like $600 on their own last I checked.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:34 pm

Adamede wrote:
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You know what.. I don't hate that bottom rifle.

Yah its pretty, but if I was going to put wood on an AR I'd want to go down the NCR service rifle first. Doesn't help that the lowrrs are propreotary and like $600 on their own last I checked.


Yeah, but god damn if they don't look cool.

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:49 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Not true, actually. Words and classifications especially usually have a reason why they're applied to a certain thing, place, or concept.


Agreed.

The term "Assault Weapons" literally came about in the 80's as a deliberate attempt by shady unethical politicians to try and deliberately blur the line between actual military grade arms and semi automatic rifles by deliberately misidentifying them. Sadly, this is an agenda that persists even today, as evident by people still misusing the term to falsely identify countless semiautomatics. As such, the only way to combat this bullshit is to correct it with the truth thus hopefully educating the misinformed.

I'm not an intelligent or particularly well informed guy. I sucked at most of my classes. But the one class where I actually excelled was English and Lit, so when people say that all words are made up, it's kinda bizarre. Yes, technically they are as language didn't emerge fully formed out of the aether. But if they were completely made up, with no meaning or connotations to them, we'd be completely unable to communicate with eachother, verbally or through text.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:52 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Heloin wrote:You’re going to be really upset when you learn that’s how most words and classifications work.

Not true, actually. Words and classifications especially usually have a reason why they're applied to a certain thing, place, or concept.

“Not true, just explicitly what you said.”

You’re all real clever.

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:57 pm

Heloin wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Not true, actually. Words and classifications especially usually have a reason why they're applied to a certain thing, place, or concept.

“Not true, just explicitly what you said.”

You’re all real clever.

You didn't say words or classifications have a reason as to why they're used, you said that they're made up.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:06 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Not true, actually. Words and classifications especially usually have a reason why they're applied to a certain thing, place, or concept.


Agreed.

The term "Assault Weapons" literally came about in the 80's as a deliberate attempt by shady unethical politicians to try and deliberately blur the line between actual military grade arms and semi automatic rifles by deliberately misidentifying them. Sadly, this is an agenda that persists even today, as evident by people still misusing the term to falsely identify countless semiautomatics. As such, the only way to combat this bullshit is to correct it with the truth thus hopefully educating the misinformed.


The phrase was used by inbred dipshit josh sugarman of vpc (who was at the time a former communications director of the national coalition to ban handguns) and was chosen to purposely conflate semi-auto sporting rifles with full auto rifles, since most Americans aren't all that well versed on the firearm world it would be an easy sell to the ignorant with a complicit media peddling falsehoods/fabrications/lies.
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Assault weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons --anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-- can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.

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Postby Heloin » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:21 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Heloin wrote:“Not true, just explicitly what you said.”

You’re all real clever.

You didn't say words or classifications have a reason as to why they're used, you said that they're made up.

Having a reason doesn’t change that they’re made up. The point you have to make about “assault weapons” isn’t linguistic, it’s pedantry of the most useless order. This isn’t me saying betekenisloos and saying it means a revolver, you know what is meant by assualt weapon.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:22 pm

Senate did not agree (39-58) to the motion to table Schumer’s Pending amendment #5100 to the House Amendment to the Senate Amendment to S. 2938 (a courthouse renaming bill), the legislative vehicle for the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which prevents more amendments to the main bill

Bipartisan gun control bill heading to the floor unchanged from original form, possible vote tonight
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:30 pm

Kowani wrote:Bipartisan gun control bill heading to the floor unchanged from original form, possible vote tonight

No “possible”, tentative scheduling for a vote in half an hour
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




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Postby Hukhalia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:46 pm

fingers crossed the vote fails though at this point no real difference will be made
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:10 pm

Bill has now crossed threshold for passage (56-23)

final call pending
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:19 pm

Kowani wrote:Bill has now crossed threshold for passage (56-23)

final call pending

65-33
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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:37 pm

Kowani wrote:
Kowani wrote:Bill has now crossed threshold for passage (56-23)

final call pending

65-33


Time to start filing suits, gents.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:38 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Kowani wrote:65-33


Time to start filing suits, gents.


Also taking note of who voted for.
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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:41 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
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Time to start filing suits, gents.


Also taking note of who voted for.


That too, fifteen Republicans need to go.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:49 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Kowani wrote:65-33


Time to start filing suits, gents.


how does this bill infringe on your rights in any way? Do you honestly think there ought to be zero restrictions whatsoever when it comes to gun ownership?

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Time to start filing suits, gents.


how does this bill infringe on your rights in any way? Do you honestly think there ought to be zero restrictions whatsoever when it comes to gun ownership?


This has already been pointed out to you and others multiple times now.

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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:17 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Kowani wrote:65-33


Time to start filing suits, gents.


not really. Isn't it doomed to die in the house?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Time to start filing suits, gents.


how does this bill infringe on your rights in any way? Do you honestly think there ought to be zero restrictions whatsoever when it comes to gun ownership?


19 SEC. 12002. DEFINING ‘‘ENGAGED IN THE BUSINESS’’.
20 Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is
21 amended—
22 (1) in paragraph (21)(C), by striking ‘‘with the
23 principal objective of livelihood and profit’’ and in24 serting ‘‘to predominantly earn a profit’’;
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2 (29) as paragraphs (23) through (30), respectively;
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4 (3) by inserting after paragraph (21) the fol5 lowing:
6 ‘‘(22) The term ‘to predominantly earn a profit’
7 means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition
8 of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining pecuniary
9 gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or
10 liquidating a personal firearms collection
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Postby Hukhalia » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Time to start filing suits, gents.


how does this bill infringe on your rights in any way? Do you honestly think there ought to be zero restrictions whatsoever when it comes to gun ownership?

Correct
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:20 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Time to start filing suits, gents.


not really. Isn't it doomed to die in the house?


No it’s likely going to pass the House.

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