U.S Massacre Thread

[Ifreann]

One event that certainly would have become violent, but for one person alerting the police and the fascists in question not having ties with that particular police force. Several other events around the country which have thus far been threatening and intimidating but not yet, so far as I am aware, actually violent. Some which seem to be happening in cooperation with the local police. I does not seem reasonable to me to suppose that this is the peak of the violence.

the peak of the violence was 6 years ago. again you vastly underestimate how big this country is and vastly overestimate the danger of dipshit groups like Patriot Front.

Mainstream figures on the American right routinely characterise any kind of Pride or drag event as a cover for dangerous paedophiles to prey on vulnerable children. If you believe that this rhetoric will somehow cease to motivate any further terrorist attacks since that one terrorist attack was thwarted, then I'm sorry, but you are just wrong. Millions of Americans will daily be hearing from Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk and all their ilk that paedo-commie-satanists are coming to chop off their sons' dicks and daughters' boobs and induct them into a lifestyle of deviancy and degeneracy. One failed terrorist attack is not the end of this.

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It only makes me think that queer folk need to buy some guns and get some licences to carry and practice marksmanship.

I'd be happy to train them

I would suggest that they would be better served by a trainer who won't tell them that they are in no particular danger, that the worst of the violence was six years ago and is not escalating.

[The Black Forrest]

WRA's views are hardly indicative of the pro gun crowd let alone mainstream America. He might stylize himself as a revolutionary, but the US is not the Weimar republic with roving bands of fascists and communists engaging street violence and helpless citizenry trapped in the middle.

Weren't 31 fascists recently arrested mere minutes from attacking a Pride march, an attack which would very probably have turned into a massacre given that many of them were carrying firearms? Very strong Weimar vibes. We all know that the poem goes "First they came for the communists", but first they came for queer people.

Yes. Idaho. They came from all over the country. Good ‘Murkins *spits* protecting the country from the queer menace who are after children!

What I read/saw didn’t mention guns. Still; you know some of these people can’t go outside without carrying one. So there might have been a couple….

[Tarsonis]

the peak of the violence was 6 years ago. again you vastly underestimate how big this country is and vastly overestimate the danger of dipshit groups like Patriot Front.

Mainstream figures on the American right routinely characterise any kind of Pride or drag event as a cover for dangerous paedophiles to prey on vulnerable children. If you believe that this rhetoric will somehow cease to motivate any further terrorist attacks since that one terrorist attack was thwarted, then I'm sorry, but you are just wrong. Millions of Americans will daily be hearing from Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk and all their ilk that paedo-commie-satanists are coming to chop off their sons' dicks and daughters' boobs and induct them into a lifestyle of deviancy and degeneracy. One failed terrorist attack is not the end of this.

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I'd be happy to train them

I would suggest that they would be better served by a trainer who won't tell them that they are in no particular danger, that the worst of the violence was six years ago and is not escalating.

lmao, you're just demonstrating how little youbknow about both the state of affairs in American culture, and weapon safety in general.

[American Legionaries]

Weren't 31 fascists recently arrested mere minutes from attacking a Pride march, an attack which would very probably have turned into a massacre given that many of them were carrying firearms? Very strong Weimar vibes. We all know that the poem goes "First they came for the communists", but first they came for queer people.

Yes. Idaho. They came from all over the country. Good ‘Murkins *spits* protecting the country from the queer menace who are after children!

What I read/saw didn’t mention guns. Still; you know some of these people can’t go outside without carrying one. So there might have been a couple….

The thing I saw was that they had cudgels and plastic shields. I didn't see anything about them having guns.

[Tarsonis]

Weren't 31 fascists recently arrested mere minutes from attacking a Pride march, an attack which would very probably have turned into a massacre given that many of them were carrying firearms? Very strong Weimar vibes. We all know that the poem goes "First they came for the communists", but first they came for queer people.

Yes. Idaho. They came from all over the country. Good ‘Murkins *spits* protecting the country from the queer menace who are after children!

What I read/saw didn’t mention guns. Still; you know some of these people can’t go outside without carrying one. So there might have been a couple….

if they really came from all over the country, you'd think there'd be mor than 31, you know since theres 310 Million people here

[Tarsonis]

Yes. Idaho. They came from all over the country. Good ‘Murkins *spits* protecting the country from the queer menace who are after children!

What I read/saw didn’t mention guns. Still; you know some of these people can’t go outside without carrying one. So there might have been a couple….

The thing I saw was that they had cudgels and plastic shields. I didn't see anything about them having guns.

They didn't. They wanted to start a riot.

[Senkaku]

One event that certainly would have become violent, but for one person alerting the police and the fascists in question not having ties with that particular police force. Several other events around the country which have thus far been threatening and intimidating but not yet, so far as I am aware, actually violent. Some which seem to be happening in cooperation with the local police. I does not seem reasonable to me to suppose that this is the peak of the violence.

the peak of the violence was 6 years ago. again you vastly underestimate how big this country is and vastly overestimate the danger of dipshit groups like Patriot Front.

The most deadly incident to date was 6 years ago. We don't know where the "peak of the violence" is going to be, but I don't see you offering many compelling reasons for queer people to adopt your complacency besides "no mass casualty events have happened so far this year at a Pride celebration" or something. I don't see why it's unreasonable to expect that a huge uptick in right-wing rhetoric characterizing LGBT people as sexual predators would lead to violence against them.

Mainstream figures on the American right routinely characterise any kind of Pride or drag event as a cover for dangerous paedophiles to prey on vulnerable children. If you believe that this rhetoric will somehow cease to motivate any further terrorist attacks since that one terrorist attack was thwarted, then I'm sorry, but you are just wrong. Millions of Americans will daily be hearing from Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk and all their ilk that paedo-commie-satanists are coming to chop off their sons' dicks and daughters' boobs and induct them into a lifestyle of deviancy and degeneracy. One failed terrorist attack is not the end of this.

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I would suggest that they would be better served by a trainer who won't tell them that they are in no particular danger, that the worst of the violence was six years ago and is not escalating.

lmao, you're just demonstrating how little youbknow about both the state of affairs in American culture, and weapon safety in general.

What is the "state of affairs in American culture," which you're apparently so on top of? And what does any of this have to do with weapon safety? Why are you so convinced that an increasingly polarized country with fragile political institutions and a major political party advocating violence against a group by portraying them as sexual deviants is somehow inoculated against further escalations of political or sectarian violence?

[Senkaku]

Yes. Idaho. They came from all over the country. Good ‘Murkins *spits* protecting the country from the queer menace who are after children!

What I read/saw didn’t mention guns. Still; you know some of these people can’t go outside without carrying one. So there might have been a couple….

if they really came from all over the country, you'd think there'd be mor than 31, you know since theres 310 Million people here

What the hell kinda logic is this? If the 9/11 hijackers really came from all over the Muslim world shouldn't there have been more of them, since there's like 500 million people in the Middle East and North Africa alone?

[Prima Scriptura]

So, what do you think is going to happen with the recent Supreme Court case regarding New York’s concealed carry policy? I have a feeling it’s going to be a narrow policy about May issue states, not affecting shell issue states. However, there is a possibility that this conservative Supreme Court is going to strike down all permit laws including shall issue states.

[The Black Forrest]

As with Kerwa, you're making up some bullshit about how this was a conversation about open carry. It wasn't. It was a conversation about the right to terrorise. Which is why no-one said open carry until Kerwa interjected.

If you want to read:



As describing open carry, sure, you do that. I can see how you'd get confused. However, pay attention to what that was following on from:



We were always and only talking about brandishing.

No, you were talking about brandishing. Everyone else in the thread understands it's possible to possess an item without threatening people with it.

You don’t have to brandish it to threaten people. “I must warn you I am carrying” as that bitch from Texas told my 78 year, 4’11 mother who suffers from MS…..

[Ifreann]

Mainstream figures on the American right routinely characterise any kind of Pride or drag event as a cover for dangerous paedophiles to prey on vulnerable children. If you believe that this rhetoric will somehow cease to motivate any further terrorist attacks since that one terrorist attack was thwarted, then I'm sorry, but you are just wrong. Millions of Americans will daily be hearing from Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk and all their ilk that paedo-commie-satanists are coming to chop off their sons' dicks and daughters' boobs and induct them into a lifestyle of deviancy and degeneracy. One failed terrorist attack is not the end of this.

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I would suggest that they would be better served by a trainer who won't tell them that they are in no particular danger, that the worst of the violence was six years ago and is not escalating.

lmao, you're just demonstrating how little youbknow about both the state of affairs in American culture, and weapon safety in general.

Nothing in my post even has anything to do with weapon safety. You may as well have said that I'm demonstrating how little I know about organic chemistry.

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Yes. Idaho. They came from all over the country. Good ‘Murkins *spits* protecting the country from the queer menace who are after children!

What I read/saw didn’t mention guns. Still; you know some of these people can’t go outside without carrying one. So there might have been a couple….

The thing I saw was that they had cudgels and plastic shields. I didn't see anything about them having guns.

Perhaps I am recalling old and since-contradicted information.

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Yes. Idaho. They came from all over the country. Good ‘Murkins *spits* protecting the country from the queer menace who are after children!

What I read/saw didn’t mention guns. Still; you know some of these people can’t go outside without carrying one. So there might have been a couple….

if they really came from all over the country, you'd think there'd be mor than 31, you know since theres 310 Million people here

Please explain your reasoning here. I do not understand how the number of people present relates in any way to whether they did or did not come from all over America.

[Islamic Essarn]

If you had a mass shooting every day of the year then that would be an improvement, because you average more than one and closer to two a day.

Not really. We've been over how Mass shooting is a term that gets over reported because a mass shooting is technically as low as 3 people. Woman comes home to fund her husband in bed with 2 more women and kills all 3 with her purse carry, that's a mass shooting. Hardly what were really talking about. I mean we could have 1 Uvalde type mass shooting incident every day of the school year, (182 days) and it'd still be an incident at .1% of schools.

But I was talking more about the roving bands of fascists you have in America, which seem like they are only escalating their violence against their preferred targets, and I think that means that it is premature to be patting yourselves on the back for not being as bad as Weimar Germany. You may not be seeing quite those levels of politically motivated violence right now, but as I said, it does not seem like the violence has peaked.

It's not just not as bad as Weimar, it's not even close. It really is just a fraction of a fraction of the population causing trouble. It's over reported and overemphasized because of Trumpism in the republican party. But we don't have roving bands of fascists, we have morons who show up to high profile events and try to start trouble. The two are not the same.

On your first point : that incident is still terrible and would't have happened if she had’t had a gun (or would have been much harder to do).

[American Legionaries]

Not really. We've been over how Mass shooting is a term that gets over reported because a mass shooting is technically as low as 3 people. Woman comes home to fund her husband in bed with 2 more women and kills all 3 with her purse carry, that's a mass shooting. Hardly what were really talking about. I mean we could have 1 Uvalde type mass shooting incident every day of the school year, (182 days) and it'd still be an incident at .1% of schools.


It's not just not as bad as Weimar, it's not even close. It really is just a fraction of a fraction of the population causing trouble. It's over reported and overemphasized because of Trumpism in the republican party. But we don't have roving bands of fascists, we have morons who show up to high profile events and try to start trouble. The two are not the same.

On your first point : that incident is still terrible and would't have happened if she had’t had a gun (or would have been much harder to do).

Shooting people without a gun is difficult...

[Islamic Essarn]

On your first point : that incident is still terrible and would't have happened if she had’t had a gun (or would have been much harder to do).

Shooting people without a gun is difficult...

And killing people when you are out numbered is also quit difficult with out a gun.

[Thermodolia]

gun control is like speed limits and road safety laws but for guns. They both have rights that they could possibly be infringing on ( the right to self defense for guns and the right to move where ever you like for cars). The only two differences are that we have excepted that car control laws ( including seatbelts, speed limits and driving tests) do not get rid of the right to moving about. The second difference is that the majority of car deaths are accidental, while the majority of gun deaths purposeful.

Because the majority of gun deaths are suicides not murders.

So if you want to fix that then maybe expand the mental health system?

[American Legionaries]

Shooting people without a gun is difficult...

And killing people when you are out numbered is also quit difficult with out a gun.

Depends on the perpetrator and victims.

[Thermodolia]

it's amusing to me people actually think the States are a helscape where bullets raining over head and we all have to low crawl through the mud to get anywhere. There are about 10,000 gun homicides a year, in a country of 310,000,000 people. For perspective in Australia, a country with 1/12th the population, more people die of Dementia, more people die of heart disease, and more people died of cerebrovascular disease, than there are people who are killed with a gun in States.

the overwhelming majority of people go through day, hell their entire lives without being put in mortal peril by someone with a gun.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-ex ... s-of-death

And yet Americans live in fear. So much so that it is considered normal that schools have active shooter drills, reinforced doors and armed guards. The whole mindset is influenced by guns.

The only fear I have is that I forgot to feed the cat, the pool might be bathtub temps, and that my PTSD will flair up.

[American Legionaries]

And yet Americans live in fear. So much so that it is considered normal that schools have active shooter drills, reinforced doors and armed guards. The whole mindset is influenced by guns.

The only fear I have is that I forgot to feed the cat, the pool might be bathtub temps, and that my PTSD will flair up.

I've never understood this whole idea that Americans are some huddled wretches cowering in the corner because the world outside is some sort of wind-torn Mad Max wasteland.

[Gun Manufacturers]

And yet Americans live in fear. So much so that it is considered normal that schools have active shooter drills, reinforced doors and armed guards. The whole mindset is influenced by guns.

The only fear I have is that I forgot to feed the cat, the pool might be bathtub temps, and that my PTSD will flair up.

You have a pool? Nice.

[Tarsonis]

https://abc7ny.com/supreme-court-gun-case-guns-rights-concealed-carry/11990123/

Supreme Court strikes down New York conceal carry gun law

dang I knew their Governor was dumb, but that press release is beyond stupid

[Thermodolia]

https://abc7ny.com/supreme-court-gun-case-guns-rights-concealed-carry/11990123/

Supreme Court strikes down New York conceal carry gun law

And California, Hawaii, DC, Maryland, NJ and I think another state.

NJ and Hawaii just went from no issue to shall issue. Same with DC, San Fran, and NYC

[Ifreann]

The only fear I have is that I forgot to feed the cat, the pool might be bathtub temps, and that my PTSD will flair up.

I've never understood this whole idea that Americans are some huddled wretches cowering in the corner because the world outside is some sort of wind-torn Mad Max wasteland.

That's an impression people get from the cohort of Americans that would really like the world outside to be some sort of Mad Max wasteland.

[Thermodolia]

I'm more concerned with the abundance of dangerous wildlife living in my area then I am of getting randomly shot in a "mass shooting" event. Followed by dying in a car accident, accidentally stepping on a dog mine while mowing the lawn, and accidentally letting a mosquito into by bedroom at night before trying to sleep and having to listen to it drone around my head in the dark for hours on end.



Nice Strawman, make him yourself?



About fucking time.

Some of you may die but its a sacrifice im willing to make.

Said the man against COVID protections

[Islamic Essarn]

Because the majority of gun deaths are suicides not murders.

So if you want to fix that then maybe expand the mental health system?

Guns are the most lethal way that people commit suicide

[Thermodolia]

Weren't 31 fascists recently arrested mere minutes from attacking a Pride march, an attack which would very probably have turned into a massacre given that many of them were carrying firearms? Very strong Weimar vibes. We all know that the poem goes "First they came for the communists", but first they came for queer people.

It only makes me think that queer folk need to buy some guns and get some licences to carry and practice marksmanship.

This is why Pink Pistols exists