U.S Massacre Thread

[American Legionaries]

Congrats on the civil war you just started. Hope ya like dodging bullets

spare me the hyperbole. New Zealand hasn't had a civil war.

Truly unfortunate.

[Adamede]

Congrats on the civil war you just started. Hope ya like dodging bullets

spare me the hyperbole. New Zealand hasn't had a civil war.

New Zeland isn’t America. And frankly the laws it did pass epsilon t prevent another mass shooting. You can still kill a lot of people with shotguns, “hunting” rifles, and handguns.

[Mets Hayk]

Ah, the "police bad" type...what would you do if someone would break into your house and you had nothing to defend yourself with?

The AMERICAN police are bad. They are unprofessional, often racist, thuggish people. They shoot people for slight movements of a hand or shoot people who are clearly complying with them.

AMERICAN Cops are bad and they need major reform, but until then the AMERICAN police do not need guns

I fixed that for you; since you strictly talked about YOUR country's police force. What I said could've applied to any nation's police, whether it be the Denmark, Germany, or Armenia.

[Forsher]

But it’s a lot easier said than done to change a culture

No, it's actually pretty easy. You make them pay for it.

Cultural ideas depend on the reproduction and dissemination of those ideas. Many businesses see an opportunity to profit off this by turning culture into a product, which you generally have to pay to access. This creates a natural barrier between the people and the cultural product, which you can pass only through the medium of money.

Given enough time, when you make people pay, this has the necessary effect of gradually shrinking the number of people exposed to the cultural idea the products were based in, thus destroying the value of the product.

Another approach is, you know, talking about it.

Yes you get fuckwits going on about "the agenda" but they kind of do have a point... there's a lot of stuff about the experience of being black in America and a lot of it's produced for the explicit purpose of making blackness visible. Black-ish and Atlanta and We Own This City are very different shows, but they're not apolitical. Nor is that one very memorable episode of Fresh Prince when Carlton's convinced he was driving too slow.

You build a consensus for change by showing people what the case is. By not saying "sit down and shut the fuck up" to people who want to.

In the case of the US, if there were more television shows and movies about school shootings, people would have very different ideas about the value and role of guns in society. This is why AL and Mets Hayk are trying to control how people talk about school shootings. The US is never allowed to engage with what it means to have a school shooting because concerted interests act to ensure that the conversation gets stuck in two ruts "thoughts and prayers" and "you can't politicise this". I mean, yes, it's bad taste to air a television episode about a school shooting the day afterwards (or whenever this FBI episode would've aired) but I've watched I don't know how many hundreds of episodes of scripted cop shows* and I can think of literally two school shooting storylines.** I'm sure there are more***, but it's not a popular subject relative to its real life occurrence is my point.

If people actually had to stop and think about what it means for "She's gonna make them stay at home" and "But he's coming for you, yeah, he's coming for you" to be culturally ingrained, people wouldn't have the same attitudes that the culture of silence affords.

*I reject the term "police procedural".

**SVU did a two parter a few years ago (one of the last episodes I saw, iirc) and the other was in, I forgot the name... Murder in the First. I can't remember if the perps actually got around to doing any shooting in either case.

***I know Thirteen Reasons Why kind of did one but I didn't watch that show.

[American Legionaries]

Maybe because I want San Lumen to answer and maybe realize that AR15’s aren’t fucking special evil guns, especially with this dumbass idea that you “only need a handgun or shotgun”, despite the fact that’s not going to stop mass shootings.

You don't need then. Do you need to shred deer?

Naw, pigs.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yah almost like none of the laws they wanted to pass would stop mass shootings.

Hell what Lumen wants wouldn’t stop mass shootings either.

Why did it stop in Australia after their mass shooting decades ago?

It didn't. Australia has had more massacres in the 26 years since Port Arthur than it did in the 26 years before the massacre.

[Mets Hayk]

Ah, the "police bad" type...what would you do if someone would break into your house and you had nothing to defend yourself with?

Presumably your advice would be to pray and mourn.

Funny.

[Thermodolia]

Congrats on the civil war you just started. Hope ya like dodging bullets

spare me the hyperbole. New Zealand hasn't had a civil war.

Because New Zealand isn’t like the US culturally. It’s not hyperbole to say that if you tried to take all guns from Americans and melt them down that you would have a civil war on your hands.

In that situation one of three things are possible. Either everyone just straight up ignores you and you and your party get booted out of office, the military decides that you’ve overstayed your welcome and overthrows your government, or the entire nation ends up in civil war as the federal law enforcement officials (because local police aren’t going to help the feds) all get shot as they attempt to take guns.

[Adamede]

Maybe because I want San Lumen to answer and maybe realize that AR15’s aren’t fucking special evil guns, especially with this dumbass idea that you “only need a handgun or shotgun”, despite the fact that’s not going to stop mass shootings.

You don't need then. Do you need to shred deer?

And again you have no idea what you’re taking about. Semi automatic rifles have been used to hunt for over a hundred and twenty years, that’s what the first semi auto rifles were made for. They don’t “shred deer”, what a moronic thing to say. Many hunting rifles today are still semi auto, I actually have one that’s a family heirloom from my grandfather. Very nice, well built firearm, one of the last things I got from him when he passed.

[Thermodolia]

Maybe because I want San Lumen to answer and maybe realize that AR15’s aren’t fucking special evil guns, especially with this dumbass idea that you “only need a handgun or shotgun”, despite the fact that’s not going to stop mass shootings.

You don't need then. Do you need to shred deer?

You don’t shred a deer with an AR.

And second who are you to tell me what I need and don’t need, I bet you like HOAs too

[Vassenor]

You don't need then. Do you need to shred deer?

And again you have no idea what you’re taking about. Semi automatic rifles have been used to hunt for over a hundred and twenty years, that’s what the first semi auto rifles were made for. They don’t “shred deer”, what a moronic thing to say. Many hunting rifles today are still semi auto, I actually have one that’s a family heirloom from my grandfather. Very nice, well built firearm, one of the last things I got from him when he passed.

If you need an autoloader to go hunting you suck at hunting.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And again you have no idea what you’re taking about. Semi automatic rifles have been used to hunt for over a hundred and twenty years, that’s what the first semi auto rifles were made for. They don’t “shred deer”, what a moronic thing to say. Many hunting rifles today are still semi auto, I actually have one that’s a family heirloom from my grandfather. Very nice, well built firearm, one of the last things I got from him when he passed.

If you need an autoloader to go hunting you suck at hunting.

>says the person who has never hunted

[Adamede]

And again you have no idea what you’re taking about. Semi automatic rifles have been used to hunt for over a hundred and twenty years, that’s what the first semi auto rifles were made for. They don’t “shred deer”, what a moronic thing to say. Many hunting rifles today are still semi auto, I actually have one that’s a family heirloom from my grandfather. Very nice, well built firearm, one of the last things I got from him when he passed.

If you need an autoloader to go hunting you suck at hunting.

What an even more moronic thing to say. But then again you’ve never said anything that wasn’t meant to be insulting or degrading to the other person. How about trying to have an actual conversation on here for once.

[San Lumen]

spare me the hyperbole. New Zealand hasn't had a civil war.

Because New Zealand isn’t like the US culturally. It’s not hyperbole to say that if you tried to take all guns from Americans and melt them down that you would have a civil war on your hands.

In that situation one of three things are possible. Either everyone just straight up ignores you and you and your party get booted out of office, the military decides that you’ve overstayed your welcome and overthrows your government, or the entire nation ends up in civil war as the federal law enforcement officials (because local police aren’t going to help the feds) all get shot as they attempt to take guns.

I am beyond tired of your obsession with coups.

[Adamede]

If you need an autoloader to go hunting you suck at hunting.

>says the person who has never hunted

Yah, not to mention the fact that it go does the fact that repeaters have been used in hunting ever since their invention over single shots and muzzleloaders for a reason. Doesn’t mean you’re bad at hunting.

[Untecna]

Because New Zealand isn’t like the US culturally. It’s not hyperbole to say that if you tried to take all guns from Americans and melt them down that you would have a civil war on your hands.

In that situation one of three things are possible. Either everyone just straight up ignores you and you and your party get booted out of office, the military decides that you’ve overstayed your welcome and overthrows your government, or the entire nation ends up in civil war as the federal law enforcement officials (because local police aren’t going to help the feds) all get shot as they attempt to take guns.

I am beyond tired of your obsession with coups.

Says the user who claimed killing 50% of the population was a good idea.

[Thermodolia]

But it’s a lot easier said than done to change a culture

No, it's actually pretty easy. You make them pay for it.

Cultural ideas depend on the reproduction and dissemination of those ideas. Many businesses see an opportunity to profit off this by turning culture into a product, which you generally have to pay to access. This creates a natural barrier between the people and the cultural product, which you can pass only through the medium of money.

Given enough time, when you make people pay, this has the necessary effect of gradually shrinking the number of people exposed to the cultural idea the products were based in, thus destroying the value of the product.

Another approach is, you know, talking about it.

Yes you get fuckwits going on about "the agenda" but they kind of do have a point... there's a lot of stuff about the experience of being black in America and a lot of it's produced for the explicit purpose of making blackness visible. Black-ish and Atlanta and We Own This City are very different shows, but they're not apolitical. Nor is that one very memorable episode of Fresh Prince when Carlton's convinced he was driving too slow.

You build a consensus for change by showing people what the case is. By not saying "sit down and shut the fuck up" to people who want to.

In the case of the US, if there were more television shows and movies about school shootings, people would have very different ideas about the value and role of guns in society. This is why AL and Mets Hayk are trying to control how people talk about school shootings. The US is never allowed to engage with what it means to have a school shooting because concerted interests act to ensure that the conversation gets stuck in two ruts "thoughts and prayers" and "you can't politicise this". I mean, yes, it's bad taste to air a television episode about a school shooting the day afterwards (or whenever this FBI episode would've aired) but I've watched I don't know how many hundreds of episodes of scripted cop shows* and I can think of literally two school shooting storylines.** I'm sure there are more***, but it's not a popular subject relative to its real life occurrence is my point.

If people actually had to stop and think about what it means for "She's gonna make them stay at home" and "But he's coming for you, yeah, he's coming for you" to be culturally ingrained, people wouldn't have the same attitudes that the culture of silence affords.

*I reject the term "police procedural".

**SVU did a two parter a few years ago (one of the last episodes I saw, iirc) and the other was in, I forgot the name... Murder in the First. I can't remember if the perps actually got around to doing any shooting in either case.

***I know Thirteen Reasons Why kind of did one but I didn't watch that show.

And yet the culture of the US still hasn’t changed sure you might have more people talking about it but the US still has issues with racism.

Like I said it is a lot easier said than done to change a culture and it doesn’t happen overnight

[Adamede]

Because New Zealand isn’t like the US culturally. It’s not hyperbole to say that if you tried to take all guns from Americans and melt them down that you would have a civil war on your hands.

In that situation one of three things are possible. Either everyone just straight up ignores you and you and your party get booted out of office, the military decides that you’ve overstayed your welcome and overthrows your government, or the entire nation ends up in civil war as the federal law enforcement officials (because local police aren’t going to help the feds) all get shot as they attempt to take guns.

I am beyond tired of your obsession with coups.

And we tire of your obsessions with letting grannies die for Broadway and not knowing what the hell you’re talking about when it comes to pretty much anything else, including firearms, but here you are.

[Antipatros]

Taking into account America's political and social realities, I don't see how this stops. It's just going to keep happening over and over again. There are no realistic solutions to the problem.

I don't even know why people debate it to be honest.

[Forsher]

That comment went way over your head.

No I got. Yes, police bad.

American Cops are bad.

Ah, the "police bad" type...what would you do if someone would break into your house and you had nothing to defend yourself with?

The police are bad. They are unprofessional, often racist, thuggish people. They shoot people for slight movements of a hand or shoot people who are clearly complying with them.

Cops are bad and they need major reform, but until then the police do not need guns

Police forces need guns somewhere. Police, as individuals, need to not have them, even if they're professional, never racist and wine snobs.

Congrats on the civil war you just started. Hope ya like dodging bullets

spare me the hyperbole. New Zealand hasn't had a civil war.

I must stress that I think most NZers thought our guns laws were stronger before Christchurch than they are now.

And, again, you're talking about a society that doesn't riot (NZ) and trying to use it as a parallel for one that does (the US). There is no particular reason to expect the same reaction.

[Thermodolia]

Because New Zealand isn’t like the US culturally. It’s not hyperbole to say that if you tried to take all guns from Americans and melt them down that you would have a civil war on your hands.

In that situation one of three things are possible. Either everyone just straight up ignores you and you and your party get booted out of office, the military decides that you’ve overstayed your welcome and overthrows your government, or the entire nation ends up in civil war as the federal law enforcement officials (because local police aren’t going to help the feds) all get shot as they attempt to take guns.

I am beyond tired of your obsession with coups.

What? It’s not an obsession or whatever you think it is. I haven’t brought up a “coup the government” in years yet you continue to automatically dismiss anything I say when the topic of coups comes up

But anyway it’s reality dude. If you try and take guns you are going to have a lot of blood on your hands

[Mets Hayk]

Taking into account America's political and social realities, I don't see how this stops. It's just going to keep happening over and over again. There are no realistic solutions to the problem.

I don't even know why people debate it to be honest.

Because some have the urge to argue for the sake of arguing.

[Vassenor]

>says the person who has never hunted

Yah, not to mention the fact that it go does the fact that repeaters have been used in hunting ever since their invention over single shots and muzzleloaders for a reason. Doesn’t mean you’re bad at hunting.

Manual action repeaters are not autoloaders though, are they?

[San Lumen]

I am beyond tired of your obsession with coups.

And we tire of your obsessions with letting grannies die for Broadway and not knowing what the hell you’re talking about when it comes to pretty much anything else, including firearms, but here you are.

Don't change the subject. No other country do children get gunned down on a regular basis. The US gets ridiculed for our mass shootings. I'm tired of it being routine. Something has to change.

[The Black Forrest]

You don't need then. Do you need to shred deer?

You don’t shred a deer with an AR.

And second who are you to tell me what I need and don’t need, I bet you like HOAs too

Indeed. A competent hunter doesn’t.

Side story: My cousins hunt. Normally; my uncle is the leader however he couldn’t go. One had an AR15. He got a little too happy on the trigger and ended up hitting the bladder (multiple hits). My other cousin was a little annoyed.