U.S Massacre Thread

[Ifreann]

And they call us the party of tinfoil hats.

Because prominent members of the GOP do routinely promote conspiracy theories.

[Betoni]

Apparently it's only true in 11% of the cases.


Even at 1 in 5 the end result is the stigmatization of a group of people to avoid uncomfortable conversations about some people's hobby.


The overwhelming amount are tied to radicalization ends up justifying the acts in the minds of the people who do them, often by pitching their situation as apocalyptic, like, say, classifying any measure of gun control as tantamount to wanting the government to kill you. That kind of unhinged batshittery is what's driving mass shooters.

But they know that no real meaningful progress will be made and so the more violent the world seems the easier it is to justify their dinky little hobby so they have no interest in taking any responsibility for the effects their hobby can have on the rest of society.

Gun people aren't going to prevent mass shooting, they love mass shooting. They just won't say it out loud.

Your source doesn't support your conclusion and it's not clear how they're defining mass shooting. Killing four people in furtherance of a crime or conspiracy is pretty awful but it's not the same bogeyman that's being propped up to justify your rhetoric. When we talk culturally about mass shootings we're talking about motive, we're talking about killing random people usually in a suicidal attack. When you argue there is no significant mental health component to that you're arguing some totally healthy people will throw their lives away to kill random people and it is impossible to motivate them not to do that so our only response should be to make it harder to kill random people.

Also I'm not making excuses, I say without equivocation that mass shootings on the hour every hour in perpetuity is preferable to taking people's guns. You're wrong and I don't need you be.

So your criteria for "mental health component" is that you don't understand the motive? If it was money or "furtherance of a crime or conspiracy" it would be totally sane to kill kids?

[Red Lake Circle]

Honestly, I think the Republican Party wants to keep the focus on gun rights because it allows them to focus on the means rather than the motive. Let’s face it, strict gun control might stop mass shootings in specific, but it’s, generously speaking, a half-measure (and even then, I believe it won’t actually help things at all), and right-wing terror attacks are going to continue well after they’re gone. If the GOP can make it a gun rights issue rather than one of deeply reactionary ideology and social fabric, then they can avoid facing any real accountability for the deeper beliefs they promote.

[Green Nape]

Honestly, I think the Republican Party wants to keep the focus on gun rights because it allows them to focus on the means rather than the motive. Let’s face it, strict gun control might stop mass shootings in specific, but it’s, generously speaking, a half-measure (and even then, I believe it won’t actually help things at all), and right-wing terror attacks are going to continue well after they’re gone. If the GOP can make it a gun rights issue rather than one of deeply reactionary ideology and social fabric, then they can avoid facing any real accountability for the deeper beliefs they promote.

Making "gun violence" about a few insane or terminally butthurt racist people who go off that the FBI has known about before they even do it (Why is this all happening during election season anyway? What happened to all the mid-2010s terror attacks that people ate up when they voted for right-wingers like Trump that the police also had deets on the perps of before?) is the biggest psyop ever. Literally just look at the numbers of who is popping caps in people in America. Just because the money power sensationalises le white male mass shooter on the news media doesn't mean it's the main reason the US population should be disarmed. Look at this graph:



Your government literally wants to disarm you because it grants them more power and leverage over the average citizen. Greater monopoly on violence and whatnot. If cops suck so much which they do why should only cops be allowed to have guns? You can't be like Australia when you have tens of millions of inner city gentlemen who still have "ghost guns" without serial numbers, just disarmed law-abiding people? You will have Brazil. You're getting Brazil. You need to learn what per capita means, if you are American I beg you. Australia's gun control was a con anyway. Look at its government now. There's a reason why John Howard had to wear a bulletproof vest under his suit when announcing it to farmers.

[Tarsonis]

Honestly, I think the Republican Party wants to keep the focus on gun rights because it allows them to focus on the means rather than the motive. Let’s face it, strict gun control might stop mass shootings in specific, but it’s, generously speaking, a half-measure (and even then, I believe it won’t actually help things at all), and right-wing terror attacks are going to continue well after they’re gone. If the GOP can make it a gun rights issue rather than one of deeply reactionary ideology and social fabric, then they can avoid facing any real accountability for the deeper beliefs they promote.

That's some strong projection you got going there. The Democrats are the ones trying to make it about means, not the Republicans.

[Betoni]

Honestly, I think the Republican Party wants to keep the focus on gun rights because it allows them to focus on the means rather than the motive. Let’s face it, strict gun control might stop mass shootings in specific, but it’s, generously speaking, a half-measure (and even then, I believe it won’t actually help things at all), and right-wing terror attacks are going to continue well after they’re gone. If the GOP can make it a gun rights issue rather than one of deeply reactionary ideology and social fabric, then they can avoid facing any real accountability for the deeper beliefs they promote.

Making "gun violence" about a few insane or terminally butthurt racist people who go off that the FBI has known about before they even do it (Why is this all happening during election season anyway? What happened to all the mid-2010s terror attacks that people ate up when they voted for right-wingers like Trump that the police also had deets on the perps of before?) is the biggest psyop ever. Literally just look at the numbers of who is popping caps in people in America. Just because the money power sensationalises le white male mass shooter on the news media doesn't mean it's the main reason the US population should be disarmed. Look at this graph:



Your government literally wants to disarm you because it grants them more power and leverage over the average citizen. Greater monopoly on violence and whatnot. If cops suck so much which they do why should only cops be allowed to have guns? You can't be like Australia when you have tens of millions of inner city gentlemen who still have "ghost guns" without serial numbers, just disarmed law-abiding people? You will have Brazil. You're getting Brazil. You need to learn what per capita means, if you are American I beg you. Australia's gun control was a con anyway. Look at its government now. There's a reason why John Howard had to wear a bulletproof vest under his suit when announcing it to farmers.

Did you make that chart yourself?

[Des-Bal]

So your criteria for "mental health component" is that you don't understand the motive? If it was money or "furtherance of a crime or conspiracy" it would be totally sane to kill kids?

Everything you said was incorrect but you already know that.

[Green Nape]

Making "gun violence" about a few insane or terminally butthurt racist people who go off that the FBI has known about before they even do it (Why is this all happening during election season anyway? What happened to all the mid-2010s terror attacks that people ate up when they voted for right-wingers like Trump that the police also had deets on the perps of before?) is the biggest psyop ever. Literally just look at the numbers of who is popping caps in people in America. Just because the money power sensationalises le white male mass shooter on the news media doesn't mean it's the main reason the US population should be disarmed. Look at this graph:

(Image)

Your government literally wants to disarm you because it grants them more power and leverage over the average citizen. Greater monopoly on violence and whatnot. If cops suck so much which they do why should only cops be allowed to have guns? You can't be like Australia when you have tens of millions of inner city gentlemen who still have "ghost guns" without serial numbers, just disarmed law-abiding people? You will have Brazil. You're getting Brazil. You need to learn what per capita means, if you are American I beg you. Australia's gun control was a con anyway. Look at its government now. There's a reason why John Howard had to wear a bulletproof vest under his suit when announcing it to farmers.

Did you make that chart yourself?

I get you're being facetious but you can image search it and look for the stats yourself.
The USA doesn't have a gun problem, people having guns is awesome. I know a guy from the USA and where he lives they shoot these huge hogs every year because there's too many of them. If I were American I know I'd be rocking back and forth in my chair on my porch with my loaded double-barrel shotgun smoking a pipe. It's based. Guns are a part of America's culture and way of life and the 1st and 2nd amendments are brilliant. Throughout history governments have always tried to gag and disarm their people so the priests and tax collectors of their age can come mess with them. Since the rest of the West are American satrapies I genuinely hope as a non-American that Americans can hold onto their guns as long as possible, if not indefinitely. America has no gun problem because arming the kind of people who created the United States is clearly not a problem, doing that created the USA at its best in the first place, it has a black crime problem which will not be solved through gun legislation but through dealing with the problems of that community.

[Betoni]

Did you make that chart yourself?

I get you're being facetious but you can image search it and look for the stats yourself.
The USA doesn't have a gun problem, people having guns is awesome. I know a guy from the USA and where he lives they shoot these huge hogs every year because there's too many of them. If I were American I know I'd be rocking back and forth in my chair on my porch with my loaded double-barrel shotgun smoking a pipe. It's based. Guns are a part of America's culture and way of life and the 1st and 2nd amendments are brilliant. Throughout history governments have always tried to gag and disarm their people so the priests and tax collectors of their age can come mess with them. Since the rest of the West are American satrapies I genuinely hope as a non-American that Americans can hold onto their guns as long as possible, if not indefinitely. America has no gun problem because arming the kind of people who created the United States is clearly not a problem, doing that created the USA at its best in the first place, it has a black crime problem which will not be solved through gun legislation but through dealing with the problems of that community.

I did, yours don't seem to match up with what I'm seeing though, hence the question; did you make that chart yourself? I mean it's quite easy to get misleading and/or made up data from the internet and in all innocence post it here, not knowing any better. But then, its almost as easy to fabricate that said data yourself and post it here to further your arguments. Just trying to figure out which one you are doing, or perhaps its something completely different. Besides, if you really did wade trough CDC, WHO and OECD stats and put that chart together, you should have just linked to those specific sources.

[Green Nape]

I get you're being facetious but you can image search it and look for the stats yourself.
The USA doesn't have a gun problem, people having guns is awesome. I know a guy from the USA and where he lives they shoot these huge hogs every year because there's too many of them. If I were American I know I'd be rocking back and forth in my chair on my porch with my loaded double-barrel shotgun smoking a pipe. It's based. Guns are a part of America's culture and way of life and the 1st and 2nd amendments are brilliant. Throughout history governments have always tried to gag and disarm their people so the priests and tax collectors of their age can come mess with them. Since the rest of the West are American satrapies I genuinely hope as a non-American that Americans can hold onto their guns as long as possible, if not indefinitely. America has no gun problem because arming the kind of people who created the United States is clearly not a problem, doing that created the USA at its best in the first place, it has a black crime problem which will not be solved through gun legislation but through dealing with the problems of that community.

I did, yours don't seem to match up with what I'm seeing though, hence the question; did you make that chart yourself? I mean it's quite easy to get misleading and/or made up data from the internet and in all innocence post it here, not knowing any better. But then, its almost as easy to fabricate that said data yourself and post it here to further your arguments. Just trying to figure out which one you are doing, or perhaps its something completely different. Besides, if you really did wade trough CDC, WHO and OECD stats and put that chart together, you should have just linked to those specific sources.

No man
Do post homicide rates by race though lol because it will prove my point

[Betoni]

So your criteria for "mental health component" is that you don't understand the motive? If it was money or "furtherance of a crime or conspiracy" it would be totally sane to kill kids?

Everything you said was incorrect but you already know that.

I honestly don't know that. Your post certainly seems to suggest that. Maybe you could word it simpler for me?

[Betoni]

I did, yours don't seem to match up with what I'm seeing though, hence the question; did you make that chart yourself? I mean it's quite easy to get misleading and/or made up data from the internet and in all innocence post it here, not knowing any better. But then, its almost as easy to fabricate that said data yourself and post it here to further your arguments. Just trying to figure out which one you are doing, or perhaps its something completely different. Besides, if you really did wade trough CDC, WHO and OECD stats and put that chart together, you should have just linked to those specific sources.

No man
Do post homicide rates by race though lol because it will prove my point

Why? Your chart, which is totally legit, was about firearm homicide rates. You seem to suggest that that statistic is about which race the killer is, I can only find statistics on which race the victim is. But all of this nonsense could be easily remedied, it is likely that I just cant google hard enough, if you just posted the source for your statistics. And no, just mentioning OECD, WHO and CDC does not a source make. That chart doesn't even specify which year it is from.

[Green Nape]

Why? Your chart, which is totally legit, was about firearm homicide rates. You seem to suggest that that statistic is about which race the killer is, I can only find statistics on which race the victim is.

yeah cause you're using google lmao
they purposely hide that shit, the 13/50 meme is reality though.
go fbi.gov, they will have info on perps somewhere
https://time.com/6159812/fbi-crime-stats-data/
you can't find the 2020 ones though because of this totally legit not at all USSR tier practice

[Ifreann]

Making "gun violence" about a few insane or terminally butthurt racist people who go off that the FBI has known about before they even do it (Why is this all happening during election season anyway? What happened to all the mid-2010s terror attacks that people ate up when they voted for right-wingers like Trump that the police also had deets on the perps of before?) is the biggest psyop ever. Literally just look at the numbers of who is popping caps in people in America. Just because the money power sensationalises le white male mass shooter on the news media doesn't mean it's the main reason the US population should be disarmed. Look at this graph:

(Image)

Your government literally wants to disarm you because it grants them more power and leverage over the average citizen. Greater monopoly on violence and whatnot. If cops suck so much which they do why should only cops be allowed to have guns? You can't be like Australia when you have tens of millions of inner city gentlemen who still have "ghost guns" without serial numbers, just disarmed law-abiding people? You will have Brazil. You're getting Brazil. You need to learn what per capita means, if you are American I beg you. Australia's gun control was a con anyway. Look at its government now. There's a reason why John Howard had to wear a bulletproof vest under his suit when announcing it to farmers.

Did you make that chart yourself?

No, probably not.

[Betoni]

Why? Your chart, which is totally legit, was about firearm homicide rates. You seem to suggest that that statistic is about which race the killer is, I can only find statistics on which race the victim is.

yeah cause you're using google lmao
they purposely hide that shit, the 13/50 meme is reality though.
go fbi.gov, they will have info on perps somewhere
https://time.com/6159812/fbi-crime-stats-data/
you can't find the 2020 ones though because of this totally legit not at all USSR tier practice

Yeah, not how this works at all. I already did a search on those numbers and I contest that your graph was nonsense, now you get to back it up. It certainly isn't my job. I have no idea where that chart gets Finland's number for that matter or why only the US numbers are divided by race and not the other countries. I'm inclined to think it's because whoever made it wants to use it to mislead their readers.

[Green Nape]

Did you make that chart yourself?

No, probably not.

You have to admit though, he is spitting fax
These schizoid white shooters are a tiny drop in the bucket. It's ridiculous that the media exaggerates it like this and people fall for it, yes I know this extends to Islamic terror attacks in the West too, you are more likely to be killed by a cow than a terrorist. The PATRIOT act and war on terror was a travesty too. Giving white men the right to bear arms created the most epic nation in the world, I don't know how people can deny this.

[Red Lake Circle]

Honestly, I think the Republican Party wants to keep the focus on gun rights because it allows them to focus on the means rather than the motive. Let’s face it, strict gun control might stop mass shootings in specific, but it’s, generously speaking, a half-measure (and even then, I believe it won’t actually help things at all), and right-wing terror attacks are going to continue well after they’re gone. If the GOP can make it a gun rights issue rather than one of deeply reactionary ideology and social fabric, then they can avoid facing any real accountability for the deeper beliefs they promote.

That's some strong projection you got going there. The Democrats are the ones trying to make it about means, not the Republicans.

Oh, don’t get me wrong, the Democrats are also to blame for this. They’re only slightly less reactionary than the Republicans. I just mean that only one currently has race realists and the kind of people who’d blame black crime rates on their genetics or some inherent part of their culture (ahem) rather than the social forces that have been governing their lives since before the Declaration of Independence.

EDIT: Also, as I’ve made clear in this thread before, gun control is bad. The Democrats are bad for pushing it. I’m just trying to lay some extra blame where I think it’s warranted.

[Ifreann]

No, probably not.

You have to admit though, he is spitting fax

Nah.

These schizoid white shooters are a tiny drop in the bucket. It's ridiculous that the media exaggerates it like this and people fall for it, yes I know this extends to Islamic terror attacks in the West too, you are more likely to be killed by a cow than a terrorist. The PATRIOT act and war on terror was a travesty too. Giving white men the right to bear arms created the most epic nation in the world, I don't know how people can deny this.

Simply looking at both the past and present rather puts the lie to this idea of yours.

[Des-Bal]

I get you're being facetious but you can image search it and look for the stats yourself.
The USA doesn't have a gun problem, people having guns is awesome. I know a guy from the USA and where he lives they shoot these huge hogs every year because there's too many of them. If I were American I know I'd be rocking back and forth in my chair on my porch with my loaded double-barrel shotgun smoking a pipe. It's based. Guns are a part of America's culture and way of life and the 1st and 2nd amendments are brilliant. Throughout history governments have always tried to gag and disarm their people so the priests and tax collectors of their age can come mess with them. Since the rest of the West are American satrapies I genuinely hope as a non-American that Americans can hold onto their guns as long as possible, if not indefinitely. America has no gun problem because arming the kind of people who created the United States is clearly not a problem, doing that created the USA at its best in the first place, it has a black crime problem which will not be solved through gun legislation but through dealing with the problems of that community.

You can't reverse search a black and white bar graph because it will hit on every black and white bar graph that has ever existed. I haven't seen that anywhere except Twitter and its attributed to three very different organizations with no indication of who consolidated that data or where or when it was originally collected. You can't even fact check it because there's no time frame and homicide rates aren't stagnant. I'm going to predict it was put together by a racist who did not understand or willfully misrepresented figures.

[Green Nape]

You have to admit though, he is spitting fax

Nah.

These schizoid white shooters are a tiny drop in the bucket. It's ridiculous that the media exaggerates it like this and people fall for it, yes I know this extends to Islamic terror attacks in the West too, you are more likely to be killed by a cow than a terrorist. The PATRIOT act and war on terror was a travesty too. Giving white men the right to bear arms created the most epic nation in the world, I don't know how people can deny this.

Simply looking at both the past and present rather puts the lie to this idea of yours.

How so? Anglo-Saxons with huge balls came to a continent, hunted in the woods, used those same guns against creme de la creme Hessian mercenaries and redcoats so they'd stop trying to fuck with the economy of the colonies by making them put stamps on shit, went west of that silly proclamation line and pushed all the scalp enjoyers west of the Mississippi, made an awesome republic, cotton was king, people were inventing awesome stuff like combustion engines that would be the foundation of the modern world, backcountry bumpkins, Texas, Oregon, schizo Mormons. Go look at James Polk's mullet. If the mullet isn't a symbol of free white men doing crazy shit, I don't know what is. Some things might be disagreeable to modern sensibilities but at the time it was a kickass place. I'm deadly serious.

[Green Nape]

I get you're being facetious but you can image search it and look for the stats yourself.
The USA doesn't have a gun problem, people having guns is awesome. I know a guy from the USA and where he lives they shoot these huge hogs every year because there's too many of them. If I were American I know I'd be rocking back and forth in my chair on my porch with my loaded double-barrel shotgun smoking a pipe. It's based. Guns are a part of America's culture and way of life and the 1st and 2nd amendments are brilliant. Throughout history governments have always tried to gag and disarm their people so the priests and tax collectors of their age can come mess with them. Since the rest of the West are American satrapies I genuinely hope as a non-American that Americans can hold onto their guns as long as possible, if not indefinitely. America has no gun problem because arming the kind of people who created the United States is clearly not a problem, doing that created the USA at its best in the first place, it has a black crime problem which will not be solved through gun legislation but through dealing with the problems of that community.

You can't reverse search a black and white bar graph because it will hit on every black and white bar graph that has ever existed. I haven't seen that anywhere except Twitter and its attributed to three very different organizations with no indication of who consolidated that data or where or when it was originally collected. You can't even fact check it because there's no time frame and homicide rates aren't stagnant. I'm going to predict it was put together by a racist who did not understand or willfully misrepresented figures.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... d-homicide
In 2019, most (78.3 percent) of the 13,927 murder victims for whom supplemental data were received were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 1.)

Of the murder victims for whom race was known, 54.7 percent were Black or African American, 42.3 percent were White, and 3.1 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 234 victims. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 2.)

More than 50 percent (50.6) of all murders for which the UCR Program received supplemental data were single victim/single offender situations. (See Expanded Homicide Data Table 4.)

Of the offenders for whom gender was known, 88.0 percent were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)

When the race of the offender was known, 55.9 percent were Black or African American, 41.1 percent were White, and 3.0 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,752 offenders. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)

More than 73 percent (73.7) of the homicides for which the FBI received weapons data in 2019 involved the use of firearms. Handguns comprised 62.1 percent of the firearms used in murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2019. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 8.)

In 2019, 28.3 percent of homicide victims were killed by someone they knew other than family members (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.), 13.0 percent were slain by family members, and 9.9 percent were killed by strangers. The relationship between murder victims and offenders was unknown in 48.9 percent of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 10.)

Circumstances were known for 58.8 percent of murders for which supplementary details were reported in 2019. Of those, 43.2 percent of victims were murdered during arguments. Felony-type murders (i.e., murders that occurred in conjunction with the commission of another felony crime such as rape, robbery, burglary, etc.) accounted for 24.6 percent of homicides for which circumstances were known. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 11.)

Law enforcement reported 726 justifiable homicides in 2019. Of those, law enforcement officers justifiably killed 340 felons, and private citizens justifiably killed 386 offenders during the commission of crimes. (See Expanded Homicide Data Tables 14 and 15.)

Note that this definitely counts Hispanics as "White" too.
American blacks are 13% of the population and are well over half of all homicides. Then there's Mexicans who get up to crazy loco shit (gotta love em). If the USA was solely whiteboys I am sure the gun homicide rate would be similar to European countries.

[Ifreann]

Nah.

Simply looking at both the past and present rather puts the lie to this idea of yours.

How so? Anglo-Saxons with huge balls came to a continent, hunted in the woods, used those same guns against creme de la creme Hessian mercenaries and redcoats so they'd stop trying to fuck with the economy of the colonies by making them put stamps on shit, went west of that silly proclamation line and pushed all the scalp enjoyers west of the Mississippi, made an awesome republic, cotton was king, people were inventing awesome stuff like combustion engines that would be the foundation of the modern world, backcountry bumpkins, Texas, Oregon, schizo Mormons. Go look at James Polk's mullet. If the mullet isn't a symbol of free white men doing crazy shit, I don't know what is. Some things might be disagreeable to modern sensibilities but at the time it was a kickass place. I'm deadly serious.

lol
lmao

[Des-Bal]

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... d-homicide
In 2019, most (78.3 percent) of the 13,927 murder victims for whom supplemental data were received were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 1.)

Of the murder victims for whom race was known, 54.7 percent were Black or African American, 42.3 percent were White, and 3.1 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 234 victims. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 2.)

More than 50 percent (50.6) of all murders for which the UCR Program received supplemental data were single victim/single offender situations. (See Expanded Homicide Data Table 4.)

Of the offenders for whom gender was known, 88.0 percent were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)

When the race of the offender was known, 55.9 percent were Black or African American, 41.1 percent were White, and 3.0 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,752 offenders. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)

More than 73 percent (73.7) of the homicides for which the FBI received weapons data in 2019 involved the use of firearms. Handguns comprised 62.1 percent of the firearms used in murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2019. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 8.)

In 2019, 28.3 percent of homicide victims were killed by someone they knew other than family members (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.), 13.0 percent were slain by family members, and 9.9 percent were killed by strangers. The relationship between murder victims and offenders was unknown in 48.9 percent of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 10.)

Circumstances were known for 58.8 percent of murders for which supplementary details were reported in 2019. Of those, 43.2 percent of victims were murdered during arguments. Felony-type murders (i.e., murders that occurred in conjunction with the commission of another felony crime such as rape, robbery, burglary, etc.) accounted for 24.6 percent of homicides for which circumstances were known. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 11.)

Law enforcement reported 726 justifiable homicides in 2019. Of those, law enforcement officers justifiably killed 340 felons, and private citizens justifiably killed 386 offenders during the commission of crimes. (See Expanded Homicide Data Tables 14 and 15.)

Note that this definitely counts Hispanics as "White" too.

So instead of supporting your data you presented different data which has none of the information you were previously presenting and is related only insofar as it also allows you to make the conclusion that black people are a problem.

[Green Nape]

So instead of supporting your data you presented different data which has none of the information you were previously presenting and is related only insofar as it also allows you to make the conclusion that black people are a problem.

Yeah they are.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So instead of supporting your data you presented different data which has none of the information you were previously presenting and is related only insofar as it also allows you to make the conclusion that black people are a problem.

Yeah they are.

American nazism is very strange indeed