U.S Massacre Thread

[Hukhalia]

Wanting everyone to have one doesn't mean your house isn't more like an toothbrush than an factory to him. *Shrugs*

My home isn't just a house.

it quite literally is

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

Wanting everyone to have one doesn't mean your house isn't more like an toothbrush than an factory to him. *Shrugs*

My home isn't just a house.

Edit: see above...

If your home doesn't have barbicans, machicolations, and murder-holes it isn't a castle.

[Uiiop]

Wanting everyone to have one doesn't mean your house isn't more like an toothbrush than an factory to him. *Shrugs*

My home isn't just a house.

Edit: see above...

You know commies have an distinction between different kinds of propriety. Having an self-owned business in there shouldn't warrant any concerns having than him wanting his labels attached to it.

Like i would get it if you actually have underlings and shit but communism failures should let you keep your hierarchy if you have it de facto.

[Hukhalia]

My home isn't just a house.

Edit: see above...

You know commies have an distinction between different kinds of propriety. Having an self-owned business shouldn't warrant any concerns having than him wanting his labels attached to it.

Like i would get it if you actually have underlings and shit but communism failures should let you keep your hierarchy if you have it de facto.

no, small and self-owned businesses are shit as well, in america and other western countries they're nigh-exclusively contingent on settler-colonialism and/or neo-imperialism, they need to go

anyway, a bit of a threadjack no?

[Uiiop]

You know commies have an distinction between different kinds of propriety. Having an self-owned business shouldn't warrant any concerns having than him wanting his labels attached to it.

Like i would get it if you actually have underlings and shit but communism failures should let you keep your hierarchy if you have it de facto.

no, small and self-owned businesses are shit as well, in america and other western countries they're nigh-exclusively contingent on settler-colonialism and/or neo-imperialism, they need to go

anyway, a bit of a threadjack no?

I'd grant that was more my skepticism talking than any substantial to this topic.

OT: "Ignore white supremacists" seems hypocritical when you can't bother ignoring a side who has already lost. I doubt any metric that would make "gun control" still current wouldn't just set off alarm bells for testing "white supremacy" on Carlson's show.

[Forsher]

The only people who have anything to fear from regulation are people doing things they shouldn't be.

In a vacuum this would be true but American gun control has long since proven to be a slippery slope with no real end point, there's always something more for them to go after. It didn't end after the NFA, it didn't end after the FFA, it didn't end after the GCA, it didn't end after the Hughes Amendment, it didn't end after the Brady Bill, it didn't end after the import bans, it didn't end after the FAWB. When the other side inherently doesn't respect gun ownership as a concept it is logical to thus oppose any regulation because it's always going to be a stepping stone to something greater.

To use abortion as an example, you don't give the conservatives a bunch of ground and let them ban all abortions after 12 weeks hoping it'll appease them. That's dumb and just makes it easier for them to ban them all eventually.

You would prefer that people not be allowed to stick coat hangers in women, yes?

Congratulations, you believe in regulating abortion.

As I already said, it also works the other way:

Either it's a right in the sense you're above regulation entirely, or it's a regulatable right.

If you want to object to some regulations, eventually you're going to find yourself arguing that not only can you not assume that someone carrying a bazooka into a primary school is not lawfully engaged, but you can also not stop to question them about what they're doing.

You can't not have a licencing system for abortions, driving or flying.

Driving is an interesting counter-example, actually. Yes you need a licence and yes you can get severely punished for driving without them, but in general driving is a protected class... if you kill someone because of reckless disregard for human life, as long as you do it by driving, you won't do much time at all and actually have a very strong case for doing no time at all. The existence of some regulation has not proved a starting point for more regulation. If anything, it's proved a barrier to meaningful change... how many times have people responded to Vision Zero with "it's an education issue! we need better driver training laws!".

The point I am making is that you can't fall afoul of regulations unless you're doing something you shouldn't be. The question is whether or not the regulation goes too far or not far enough in defining that. You wouldn't, for example, want to regulate people in a way that banned collecting antique guns... which is only possible harmful if collectors don't report thefts. As driving and gun rights activism shows, it's actually reasonably easy to cockblock or reverse existing regulation... in the US, abortion is a rare example.

Ok but none of that solves noncompliance. It doesn’t help the feds when gun stores and entire states just up and refuse to comply.

You don't want noncompliance because it stops you from achieving your objective. You don't care about it just because people are listening to you, you care about it just because it compromises your ability to achieve concrete aims.

You'll find gun stores will co-operate when trading untraced ammunition becomes wire fraud. You go after the smallest number of people possible because it takes less effort to bring them in line. You use information you glean in these operations to inform how to regulate the whole.

And furthermore I’m strongly against the idea of gun registration and tracking sales and ammo. Fuck that. Everything you are proposing would get struck down in an instant and if it didn’t most people wouldn’t comply.

The millennials and Gen Z in the US are refusing to follow even the most established gun laws in the US, how are you going to get any of them to follow that.

All this will do is lead to people not going to shooting clubs (or shooting clubs refusing to report anything to the government), people refusing to buy hunting licenses and just hunting anyway, and people making ammo and guns without buying it.

It’s just too impossible to do that in the US

We don't ban murder because we expect murderers to stop killing people, we ban murder so we can punish murderers we catch.

[The Aber]

My home isn't just a house.

Edit: see above...

You know commies have an distinction between different kinds of propriety. Having an self-owned business in there shouldn't warrant any concerns having than him wanting his labels attached to it.

Like i would get it if you actually have underlings and shit but communism failures should let you keep your hierarchy if you have it de facto.

Pinkos are just envious creatures not worthy of even being called "human".

[Hukhalia]

You know commies have an distinction between different kinds of propriety. Having an self-owned business in there shouldn't warrant any concerns having than him wanting his labels attached to it.

Like i would get it if you actually have underlings and shit but communism failures should let you keep your hierarchy if you have it de facto.

Pinkos are just envious creatures not worthy of even being called "human".

does this mean i get to go by al/ien pronouns now??? awesome.

[Uiiop]

You know commies have an distinction between different kinds of propriety. Having an self-owned business in there shouldn't warrant any concerns having than him wanting his labels attached to it.

Like i would get it if you actually have underlings and shit but communism failures should let you keep your hierarchy if you have it de facto.

Pinkos are just envious creatures not worthy of even being called "human".

I feel more pity than envy to be honest... being powerful feels like hell.

[Grinning Dragon]

In an article in the red star tribune, it reports shitbrick was bullied, suffered at home and would violently lash out at friends and strangers.
Also mentions shitbrick would self cut, and that friends said shitbrick gradually got weirder and deteriorating behavior.
Texas gunman was bullied as a child, grew increasingly violent, friends say

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

In an article in the red star tribune, it reports shitbrick was bullied, suffered at home and would violently lash out at friends and strangers.
Also mentions shitbrick would self cut, and that friends said shitbrick gradually got weirder and deteriorating behavior.
Texas gunman was bullied as a child, grew increasingly violent, friends say

One time, he posted a photo of himself wearing black eyeliner, Garcia said, which brought on a slew of comments using a derogatory term for a gay person.

Oh Texas, please change.

[Uiiop]

In an article in the red star tribune, it reports shitbrick was bullied, suffered at home and would violently lash out at friends and strangers.
Also mentions shitbrick would self cut, and that friends said shitbrick gradually got weirder and deteriorating behavior.
Texas gunman was bullied as a child, grew increasingly violent, friends say

So at best the Texs government are only digging their people's grave for different reasons. Great.

[Cannot think of a name]

In an article in the red star tribune, it reports shitbrick was bullied, suffered at home and would violently lash out at friends and strangers.
Also mentions shitbrick would self cut, and that friends said shitbrick gradually got weirder and deteriorating behavior.
Texas gunman was bullied as a child, grew increasingly violent, friends say

Oh, so the gun worked the way gun fetishists wanted then. I mean, they go on about how an 'armed populace is a polite one,' right? That your gun is your magic shield that protects you from the mean ol' world. So he just did what they've been advocating all along, and now the gun fetishists are going to throw him under the bus for enacting their fantasies. It made his bad people go away. It just so happens when you have a lethal irreversable 'make the bad people go away' device, you might not like who he considers the bad people. But you can't escape that he was just following gun rhetoric. This is what they've been advocating for, they just don't like having to bear the responsibility for it.

Rather than digging out the probably half dozen who suggested 'gun safety,' he used the gun properly. Teaching him three points of stabilization just would have improved his aim.

I don't know if that's a thing. It is when holding a camera so I just assume shooty mcpow pow crap works the same.

[Hukhalia]

In an article in the red star tribune, it reports shitbrick was bullied, suffered at home and would violently lash out at friends and strangers.
Also mentions shitbrick would self cut, and that friends said shitbrick gradually got weirder and deteriorating behavior.
Texas gunman was bullied as a child, grew increasingly violent, friends say

now that's just fucking tragic

[Rusozak]

In an article in the red star tribune, it reports shitbrick was bullied, suffered at home and would violently lash out at friends and strangers.
Also mentions shitbrick would self cut, and that friends said shitbrick gradually got weirder and deteriorating behavior.
Texas gunman was bullied as a child, grew increasingly violent, friends say

So are we just giving up on preventative measures for people that throw every red flag of a future shooter?

What gets me is the surprise from everyone when these things happen, shock that the killer could have done such a thing. Really? I mean, I get hindsight is 20/20 but this kid was straight out of one of those "notice the warning signs" PSA videos. I just want someone to admit "Oh yeah it was bound to happen, but no one wanted to do anything about it."

[Adamede]

In an article in the red star tribune, it reports shitbrick was bullied, suffered at home and would violently lash out at friends and strangers.
Also mentions shitbrick would self cut, and that friends said shitbrick gradually got weirder and deteriorating behavior.
Texas gunman was bullied as a child, grew increasingly violent, friends say

Oh, so the gun worked the way gun fetishists wanted then. I mean, they go on about how an 'armed populace is a polite one,' right? That your gun is your magic shield that protects you from the mean ol' world. So he just did what they've been advocating all along, and now the gun fetishists are going to throw him under the bus for enacting their fantasies. It made his bad people go away. It just so happens when you have a lethal irreversable 'make the bad people go away' device, you might not like who he considers the bad people. But you can't escape that he was just following gun rhetoric. This is what they've been advocating for, they just don't like having to bear the responsibility for it.

Rather than digging out the probably half dozen who suggested 'gun safety,' he used the gun properly. Teaching him three points of stabilization just would have improved his aim.

I don't know if that's a thing. It is when holding a camera so I just assume shooty mcpow pow crap works the same.

Yah not even close.

[Christian Confederation]

In an article in the red star tribune, it reports shitbrick was bullied, suffered at home and would violently lash out at friends and strangers.
Also mentions shitbrick would self cut, and that friends said shitbrick gradually got weirder and deteriorating behavior.
Texas gunman was bullied as a child, grew increasingly violent, friends say

Ah yes the floor is made of floor

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

https://nowhabersham.com/breaking-juven ... n-custody/

More responsible gun use.

[San Lumen]

https://nowhabersham.com/breaking-juvenile-shot-near-habersham-ninth-grade-academy-suspect-in-custody/

More responsible gun use.

But we must accept this as routine because nothing can be done due to muh rights.

[Corrian]

There's a story from one of the dads of the victims where he was a medic on scene and learned of his daughters death on scene from one of her friends. Said he had gotten his daughter a phone 2 weeks ago and she literally used it to try and call the cops and got fucking shot for it by the shooter.

There's also so many indications that the police completely and utterly fucked up and doing...fucking anything. More and more proof that more cops doesn't actually solve anything.

[The Aber]

"An eye for an eye makes everyone blind."

You literally would be better off just ignoring them and not giving them what they crave the most, attention, and going about living your life to your fullest ability.

it's not "an eye for an eye", it's "let me take your eye out before you take out mine". they threw the first stone, they can eat shit for all i care

....and then they'll kill you. Slowly. Maybe painfully, as well. Which, in this case, I wouldn't mind at all.

"nah. these motherfuckers have an ideology that can only be actualised by reactionary violence against innocent people. i don't give a fuck about the law, they should go to prison."

The blatant irony of what you just said is mindfuckingly overwhelming. Like, sweet baby Jesus, that made me cringe so hard that I think I may have pulled the muscles in my back.

[Hukhalia]

it's not "an eye for an eye", it's "let me take your eye out before you take out mine". they threw the first stone, they can eat shit for all i care

....and then they'll kill you. Slowly. Maybe painfully, as well. Which, in this case, I wouldn't mind at all.

"nah. these motherfuckers have an ideology that can only be actualised by reactionary violence against innocent people. i don't give a fuck about the law, they should go to prison."

The blatant irony of what you just said is mindfuckingly overwhelming. Like, sweet baby Jesus, that made me cringe so hard that I think I may have pulled the muscles in my back.

ur old world presuppositions will be buried beneath the proletarian tide, history doesn't care about ur wishes of violence towards me, i will be vindicated

[The Aber]

"You never had fire drills? If so, it'd be the same concept as that -- the kids need to duck and cover, hide underneath things.

But since you're certain that it's a bad idea, how about hiring some armed guards?

yeah we could get the entire US Marine Corps to drop whatever they're doing and permanently post entire rifle platoons to every school in the United States
or we could stop pretending that America doesn't have a catastrophic mental health crisis, of such staggering proportions that it beggars belief.

PS this school had 5 armed policemen on duty, they did jackshit.

On duty, as in...

[The Aber]

....and then they'll kill you. Slowly. Maybe painfully, as well. Which, in this case, I wouldn't mind at all.



The blatant irony of what you just said is mindfuckingly overwhelming. Like, sweet baby Jesus, that made me cringe so hard that I think I may have pulled the muscles in my back.

ur old world presuppositions will be buried beneath the proletarian tide, history doesn't care about ur wishes of violence towards me, i will be vindicated

Bitch, as if this generation hasn't vindicated your kind enough. Your kind has physically harassed, imprisoned, tortured, and killed religious people [especially those just practicing and not in any seat of power] due to your ignorance, for example (in fact they're doing it still in China and North Korea). Somehow, after all this era's bitching about not letting another Holocaust happen again, nobody bats an eye to that. That's what we call a double standard.

[Washington Resistance Army]

ur old world presuppositions will be buried beneath the proletarian tide, history doesn't care about ur wishes of violence towards me, i will be vindicated

Bitch, as if this generation hasn't vindicated your kind enough. Your kind has physically harassed, imprisoned, tortured, and killed religious people [especially those just practicing and not in any seat of power] due to your ignorance, for example (in fact they're doing it still in China and North Korea). Somehow, after all this era's bitching about not letting another Holocaust happen again, nobody bats an eye to that. That's what we call a double standard.

China pretty freely allows religious groups to operate, problems only arise when they get political. It's why you see such a sharp divide between Hui Muslims (who view themselves as Chinese and have no problem with the government) and Uyghur Muslims (who belong to a community with a strong history of separatism). To paint it as simple across the board religious oppression is very inaccurate and ignores the complexity of the PRC's internal politics.