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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue May 17, 2022 11:30 am

Myanmar is falling apart. There will always be the chaos of the ethnic troubles unless a genou idea kills every minority in Myanmar. And now you want to stick it to India? Ridiculous
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue May 17, 2022 11:32 am

Archinstinct wrote:
Heloin wrote:Well if we're entering going full throttle into the land of dumb suggestions then Burma should unite with Laos and Cambodia.


You're not thinking big enough. Try more extreme.

Turkey joins with Greece, Cyprus, and Khazakstan.

What about we glue Iran, Serbia, Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia together?
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Postby Pre-Christian Persecuted People » Tue May 17, 2022 1:05 pm

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Pre-Christian Persecuted People wrote:
It is constitutionally socialist and secular. Please read India’s constitution.

Oh great, apparently the Nazis were commies too. If you declare a country as "socialist", that doesn't mean it's socialist. Maybe I was wrong about laicite/secularism (which is based and won't stop Myanmar from merging with India), but if India is socialist than Portugal and China are also socialist because "BeCAUse it SAyS it In thE ConStitUtioN!!!!" India's economy does not have even a hit of nationalization or mass unionization, screw it, the ruling party is Bharatiya Janata, a Hindutva (Hindu nationalism/theocracy lol), right-wing populist, and national conservative party, which is nothing related to socialism. Tbh India is not really secular either as religion plays a large role in politics and the Bharatiya Janata Party is a Hindu nationalist party. To my standards, if a country is ruled by not just a religious democratic party (like the German CDU/CSU which was still kinda secular) but a religious NATIONALIST party, it is no longer secular.


You are correct in technicality and I would have agreed with you, but you misunderstand many things about India, which even I figured out late.

Indian left wing is not really like western left wing and Indian right wing is not really like western right wing. The present government is the most socialist government after the governments of 1970s. With their free food, free housing, free electricity, free gas schemes etc. none of the governments after 1970s have even thought about that. In fact, in the western sense of the term, Indian left wing is right and Indian right wing is left.

All this religion thing is also played by whom you consider secular parties. Indian politics is complicated, bizarre and does not fit the western definition of ideology.

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue May 17, 2022 1:07 pm

Why would they want to?
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Postby Tokora » Tue May 17, 2022 4:31 pm

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Myanmar is falling apart. There will always be the chaos of the ethnic troubles unless a genou idea kills every minority in Myanmar. And now you want to stick it to India? Ridiculous

Being administered by a stable and more powerful neighbor sounded like a solution to me.

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Postby Amazonia-on-Themiscyra » Tue May 17, 2022 4:35 pm

Why, though?
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Postby Adamede » Tue May 17, 2022 4:39 pm

Tokora wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Myanmar is falling apart. There will always be the chaos of the ethnic troubles unless a genou idea kills every minority in Myanmar. And now you want to stick it to India? Ridiculous

Being administered by a stable and more powerful neighbor sounded like a solution to me.

Yah we saw how colonialism turned out.
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Postby Diarcesia » Tue May 17, 2022 5:30 pm

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Tokora wrote:Being administered by a stable and more powerful neighbor sounded like a solution to me.

Yah we saw how colonialism turned out.

*looks at Canada*

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Postby Risottia » Wed May 18, 2022 12:31 am

Adamede wrote:
Tokora wrote:Being administered by a stable and more powerful neighbor sounded like a solution to me.

Yah we saw how colonialism turned out.

If it's your neighbour it's not colonisation, it's expansion.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Wed May 18, 2022 8:34 am

Tokora wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Myanmar is falling apart. There will always be the chaos of the ethnic troubles unless a genou idea kills every minority in Myanmar. And now you want to stick it to India? Ridiculous

Being administered by a stable and more powerful neighbor sounded like a solution to me.

Maaybe it will just create more instability, and add a Myanmaran independence movement on top of all the others
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Postby Tokora » Wed May 18, 2022 3:56 pm

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Tokora wrote:Being administered by a stable and more powerful neighbor sounded like a solution to me.

Maaybe it will just create more instability, and add a Myanmaran independence movement on top of all the others

Maybe we could compromise with the different Myanmar groups having their own regions under New Delhi's protection.

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Postby Adamede » Wed May 18, 2022 4:18 pm

Risottia wrote:
Adamede wrote:Yah we saw how colonialism turned out.

If it's your neighbour it's not colonisation, it's expansion.

Yah I dont think thats how it works. But yes Indian conquest of Myanmar itself wouldn't be colonialism, but it would be imperialism.
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Postby Risottia » Thu May 19, 2022 3:35 am

Adamede wrote:
Risottia wrote:If it's your neighbour it's not colonisation, it's expansion.

Yah I dont think thats how it works. But yes Indian conquest of Myanmar itself wouldn't be colonialism, but it would be imperialism.

Imperialism would require a colonial relationship in the economic structure.
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Postby New Galactic States » Thu May 19, 2022 4:37 am

Poor Bangladesh in this Scenario:(

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Postby Malaiya Union » Thu May 19, 2022 7:27 am

Yes. But only through independence as a part of a united British Raj, no partition. Myanmar's various ethnic groups might resent the rule of faraway Delhi, but Delhi would actually be a far more benign, benevolent, and indeed caring authority than the now ruling Bamar ethnicity, which is far more murderously tyrannical. In contrast, a united India will also be more decentralized.

Now? No.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Thu May 19, 2022 7:34 am

Yugoslavia returning in some form, Czechoslovakia 2: Central Euro Boogaloo, and a United Ireland are more likely than India and Myanmar joining together. So much so that the 3 unifications mentioned could all happen and India-Myanmar wouldn't happen.
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Postby Malaiya Union » Thu May 19, 2022 7:38 am

Christian Confederation wrote:Yugoslavia returning in some form, Czechoslovakia 2: Central Euro Boogaloo, and a United Ireland are more likely than India and Myanmar joining together. So much so that the 3 unifications mentioned could all happen and India-Myanmar wouldn't happen.

Actually the chances might not even be that small. For example, an accidental nuclear war that destroys the Northern hemisphere can easily result in the rise of a theocratic Hindutva fascist state, who then invades Myanmar.
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Chinese people took over Malaya; its native Malay and tribal people bulldozed by overpopulated megacities sprawl, destructive palm plantations, and hyper-competitive "kiasu" corporate culture. Under the authoritarian technocracy of Lee Kuan Yew and his "Kongsi government", the quasi-apartheid state grew into a cyberpunk techno-industrial behemoth equal to Japan. Yet the specter of Maoism and Islamism among the second-class is ever-present...

This nation is dedicated to the Islamist cleric near my friend's house, who preached during Friday sermon that the Chinese will buy up all the land and expell all the Muslims and the Muslims will be forced to live on top of the mountains. (It was election season).

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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 19, 2022 7:38 am

Christian Confederation wrote:Yugoslavia returning in some form, Czechoslovakia 2: Central Euro Boogaloo, and a United Ireland are more likely than India and Myanmar joining together. So much so that the 3 unifications mentioned could all happen and India-Myanmar wouldn't happen.

We're a few years out from Irish unification yet.
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Postby Samrif » Thu May 19, 2022 7:57 am

While at first glance this idea might seem stupid, at second glance the absolute insanity of the idea can be discovered. Myanmar will never join India, the reasons for which several other users have given. Indeed the addition of Myanmar to India will only make India weaker with a full blown independence movement which will probably start the moment India takes over the country. The internal instability and the addition of another 54 million people, many of whom have lost everything due to the recent political strife in Myanmar and would be completely dependent on government handouts will only create more problems for Delhi.

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Postby Kubra » Fri May 20, 2022 9:59 am

Meadowfields wrote:
Kubra wrote: Weeeeeeell the trick with India is when socialism was put in the constitution they really did go for "socialism", at least as it was understood at the time. You know, five year plans, an extensive system of state-owned enterprises, importing soviet economists and their analytical frameworks, that sort of thing.

I know, but right now, India isn't socialist at all. I also see that you're kinda a leftist too.
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Postby Biladu Al Rafidayn » Fri May 20, 2022 10:03 am

Tokora wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Maaybe it will just create more instability, and add a Myanmaran independence movement on top of all the others

Maybe we could compromise with the different Myanmar groups having their own regions under New Delhi's protection.

Not how it works, I’m afraid. These regions would be exploited then boom: you have little chunks of Myanmindia becoming de facto states
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Postby Sungoldy-China » Fri May 20, 2022 11:28 am

If Muslims can dominate South Asia.
then the Hindus and Burmese, who share a common enemy, might merge
Only suffering and a common enemy can unite two peoples
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Postby Tokora » Fri May 20, 2022 4:36 pm

New Galactic States wrote:Poor Bangladesh in this Scenario:(

I just thought that Bangladesh would've obviously been part of India already.

Sungoldy-China wrote:If Muslims can dominate South Asia.
then the Hindus and Burmese, who share a common enemy, might merge
Only suffering and a common enemy can unite two peoples

I was thinking China.

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Postby Christian Confederation » Fri May 20, 2022 7:51 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Yugoslavia returning in some form, Czechoslovakia 2: Central Euro Boogaloo, and a United Ireland are more likely than India and Myanmar joining together. So much so that the 3 unifications mentioned could all happen and India-Myanmar wouldn't happen.

We're a few years out from Irish unification yet.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat May 21, 2022 11:52 am

Ifreann wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Yugoslavia returning in some form, Czechoslovakia 2: Central Euro Boogaloo, and a United Ireland are more likely than India and Myanmar joining together. So much so that the 3 unifications mentioned could all happen and India-Myanmar wouldn't happen.

We're a few years out from Irish unification yet.
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