10 Killed In Buffalo, New York Shooting

[Vassenor]

Also I see we're not allowed to talk about this incident in terms of anything other than guns because that puts it outside of what cons have pre-prepared arugments for.

[Aymes]

You like watching a fascist murdering people because you're a fascist.

Describing what happens in a video isn’t the same as endorsing it.

I’ve seen plenty of videos of people pulling mean-spirited pranks on unsuspecting members of the public. It doesn’t mean I endorse it.

[Vassenor]

Should we talk about how toxic masculinity leads to men being radicalised like this? The way the feelings of inadequacy it creates lead people into the arms of the conspiracists?

I am not surprised shit like this happens you and society fucked this boy up and radicalized him, Even then it seems like he had mental problems and society did not help him why they still could. Overall straight white men are becoming the most persecuted group in America the ACLU had to apologize for posting a picture of a blond-haired child because "Muh White Supremacy". People like you disgust me because you take advantage of the dead people and are standing on top of their graves advocating for the censoring of free speech and banning all guns. So stop standing on the graves of people as political leverage.

Also I see we're not allowed to talk about this incident in terms of anything other than guns because that puts it outside of what cons have pre-prepared arugments for.

[Grinning Dragon]

LOL "toxic masculinity"
The guy self-identified as a authoritarian leftist shitbrick and had a hard on for the azov.

Is this a fascist = leftist take or is there some additional information about his views? Legitimately asking.

From shitbrick's screed of mindless incoherent ramblings:

..."When I was 12 I was deep into communist ideology, talk to anyone from my old highschool and ask about me and you will hear that. From age 15 to 18 however, I consistently moved further to the right. On the political compass I fall in the mild-moderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist"

He also attributes his belief system from the internet as there was little to no influence on his beliefs by people he met and read multiple sources of information on all ideologies and decided that the current one is the most correct.

[Aymes]

Should we talk about how toxic masculinity leads to men being radicalised like this? The way the feelings of inadequacy it creates lead people into the arms of the conspiracists?

I am not surprised shit like this happens you and society fucked this boy up and radicalized him, Even then it seems like he had mental problems and society did not help him why they still could. Overall straight white men are becoming the most persecuted group in America the ACLU had to apologize for posting a picture of a blond-haired child because "Muh White Supremacy". People like you disgust me because you take advantage of the dead people and are standing on top of their graves advocating for the censoring of free speech and banning all guns. So stop standing on the graves of people as political leverage.

Very good points all round.

[Vassenor]

I am not surprised shit like this happens you and society fucked this boy up and radicalized him, Even then it seems like he had mental problems and society did not help him why they still could. Overall straight white men are becoming the most persecuted group in America the ACLU had to apologize for posting a picture of a blond-haired child because "Muh White Supremacy". People like you disgust me because you take advantage of the dead people and are standing on top of their graves advocating for the censoring of free speech and banning all guns. So stop standing on the graves of people as political leverage.

Very good points all round.

So how should we be discussing this incident then?

Or do we just do the THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ONLY and then act shocked and surprised when it happens again?

"No way to prevent this says only country in the world where this happens"

[Ifreann]

You like watching a fascist murdering people because you're a fascist.

Describing what happens in a video isn’t the same as endorsing it.

I’ve seen plenty of videos of people pulling mean-spirited pranks on unsuspecting members of the public. It doesn’t mean I endorse it.

Saiwania has spent years telling us that he's a fascist.

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Yes, on Twitch. From what I've read, he drew a lot of inspiration from the Christchurch attack.

Yes and now people are saying 4chan and Twitch are now accomplices and are responsible. For some reference, the Governor of NY said the stream should have been deleted in minutes how the hell is you supposed to have an apparent moderator in every single stream at best it only had 22 viewers and from what I hear it was posted to 4chan, ok 4chan does everything in its power to help with police investigations, Afterall its an anonymous imageboard and is incredibly hard to tie something to one person. I would not be surprised if the person who posted it was using the TOR browser or a VPN or some shit like that.

What's interesting is that Twitch may have violated Texas law by deleting the stream.

[Vassenor]

So how should we be discussing this incident then?

Or do we just do the THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ONLY and then act shocked and surprised when it happens again?

"No way to prevent this says only country in the world where this happens"

The person who did it was clearly mentally deranged he should have gotten the help he needs, Want to know how school shootings happen someone says "oh that kid is weird and clearly has problems" but they say nothing they see someone getting bullied they do nothing about it. This is why things like this happen.

And what makes him "clearly mentally deranged"? Or is this just falling back on pretending to care about mental health like we do every time we need to keep attention off other problems?

[Kerwa]

Very good points all round.

So how should we be discussing this incident then?

Or do we just do the THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ONLY and then act shocked and surprised when it happens again?

"No way to prevent this says only country in the world where this happens"

Discord need to be supervised.

[Existential Cats]

Is this a fascist = leftist take or is there some additional information about his views? Legitimately asking.

From shitbrick's screed of mindless incoherent ramblings:

..."When I was 12 I was deep into communist ideology, talk to anyone from my old highschool and ask about me and you will hear that. From age 15 to 18 however, I consistently moved further to the right. On the political compass I fall in the mild-moderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist"

He also attributes his belief system from the internet as there was little to no influence on his beliefs by people he met and read multiple sources of information on all ideologies and decided that the current one is the most correct.

The majority of the political portion of his manifesto is ramblings about how the Jews are behind white genocide. Moreover, he explicitly identifies as a white supremacist, a fascist, and a racist.

Are you a facsist?
Yes, fascism is one of the only political ideologies that will unite Whites against the replacers. Since that is what I seek, calling me a facsist would be accurate.

Are you a white supremacist?
Yes, I would call myself a white supremacist, afterall, which race is responsible for the world we live in today? I believe the White race is superior in the brain to all other races.

Are you racist?
Yes I am racist because I believe in differences of capabilities between races.

Are you intolerant?
Sure. The last virtues of a dying nation are tolerance and apathy, and I want none of it

Near the end of his manifesto, he even repudiates leftism for promoting equality, and accusing it of teaching white children to hate themselves. I'm 99% sure he even quotes Kaczynski on leftism.

He does admit he is impartial to socialism, but based on his racist and antisemitic ramblings, we can clearly tell he's referring to a state-socialism ruled by white people which is entirely antithetical to the multicultural socialism advocated by nearly all contemporary American socialists.

Regardless of how leftist he is, it should be incredibly clear to anyone that his motivations were far-right, a pathetic attempt to resist multiculturalism and "white genocide."

[Hukhalia]

I have talked to people in these spaces they are clearly Straight White men that have been orchtrisized from society because of their race or how they look or some other factor. They are mad at the world clearly and need someone to blame A lot of them who do this are self-aware people like you after the fact will try to limit guns which makes them angrier.

Yeah, limiting guns isn't the way to stop this -- the fact of the matter is that this bastard walked away from the mass shooting alive after he was convinced not to kill himself. If that doesn't tell you what side the cops are on - considering left-wing protests receive rubber bullets and black petty criminals receive an extrajudicial execution - then nothing will. Ideally, what people need to learn from this is that minorities, working-class, and leftist people need to start arming themselves as well so that little creeps like Gendron will get a well-deserved bullet next time they try something like this.

[Hukhalia]

Yeah, limiting guns isn't the way to stop this -- the fact of the matter is that this bastard walked away from the mass shooting alive after he was convinced not to kill himself. If that doesn't tell you what side the cops are on - considering left-wing protests receive rubber bullets and black petty criminals receive an extrajudicial execution - then nothing will. Ideally, what people need to learn from this is that minorities, working-class, and leftist people need to start arming themselves as well so that little creeps like Gendron will get a well-deserved bullet next time they try something like this.

Ah I guess the Horseshoe theory is correct, Someone like me who is a white identitarian isolationist and Nationalist is agreeing with a Tankie

No, I don't agree with you at all. You should be imprisoned and/or straightjacketed. I want my side to be armed so that your side can be thoroughly trounced. I support gun rights at your expense. Fuck off, I want nothing to do with you.

[Ifreann]

I have talked to people in these spaces they are clearly Straight White men that have been orchtrisized from society because of their race or how they look or some other factor. They are mad at the world clearly and need someone to blame A lot of them who do this are self-aware people like you after the fact will try to limit guns which makes them angrier.

Hard to believe that white nationalists are actually ostracised from society when their views are broadcast on mainstream news media.

[Utquiagvik]

This thread has further convinced me that America is going to have another Civil War or something. We apparently cant agree on anything. If we ban guns, then people will get mad. If we don't ban guns, then people will get mad. Why don't we just make stricter rules on gun ownership? then, we will still have guns, but we wont have constant shootings like we do now, and everybody will be satisfied. These constant shootings need to stop, but we don't need to change things in such a drastic way that it causes a war.

[Hukhalia]

This thread has further convinced me that America is going to have another Civil War or something. We apparently cant agree on anything. If we ban guns, then people will get mad. If we don't ban guns, then people will get mad. Why don't we just make stricter rules on gun ownership? then, we will still have guns, but we wont have constant shootings like we do now, and everybody will be satisfied. These constant shootings need to stop, but we don't need to change things in such a drastic way that it causes a war.

i'm afraid that the boulder that's started rolling won't stop rolling if the geriatrics in congress change their mind on guns.

[Free Fernamand]

"Can the local republicans please explain why they believe what this person did is wrong; despite his actions being logical if one truly believes republican rhetoric?"

He took the lives of innocent people over skin pigmentation, as a Bernie supporter tried to do with Republican Congressmen over political ideology. Extremists can easily convince themselves they can solve all their problems with bloodshed, be they on the Left or the Right.

Most of the shooter's viewpoints are extreme and go against official dogma within the GOP. Many leading GOP Congressmen are African American, after all. Try squaring antisemitism with the pro-Israel stance of Evangelical Christians that are largely Trump supporters.

I'm just playing devil's advocate, as I'm apolitical by and large.


A great shame, maybe the feds will get involved as this should be classified as an act of domestic terrorism given his motivation. Timothy McVeigh was executed within 6 years of the OKC bombing, so that might play out here.

So, what's your opinion toward revolution? I'm afraid that almost all of the revolution bleed(I am not meaning the gunner is a revolutionary, he is only a murderer).

[Indomitable Friendship]

I have talked to people in these spaces they are clearly Straight White men that have been orchtrisized from society because of their race or how they look or some other factor. They are mad at the world clearly and need someone to blame A lot of them who do this are self-aware people like you after the fact will try to limit guns which makes them angrier.

Hard to believe that white nationalists are actually ostracised from society when their views are broadcast on mainstream news media.

We are, and I don't think you need to pretend we're not, especially when there are some unfortunately valid reasons for us to be. Are you referring to Tucker Carlson? Tucker Carlson doesn't represent me and most people rightfully dislike him. He's probably the most hated contemporary media figure, which again, I understand because he is very unlikeable. Gujsbo is correct, though, when you say things like "toxic masculinity" and advocate the cessation of people's freedoms, they will feel threatened and provoked. Regardless, this individual had serious mental issues and I think mental health should be the point of focus for every mass shooting because that's where the problem lies, irrespective of race, gender or politics.

Edit: I don't mean you, I mean anyone who uses authoritarian and aggressive conformist rhetoric like "toxic masculinity", which is inherently sexist.

[Galloism]

Should we talk about how toxic masculinity leads to men being radicalised like this? The way the feelings of inadequacy it creates leads people into the arms of the conspiracists?

Vassenor of course chimes in with the sexist hate speech.

[Ifreann]

This thread has further convinced me that America is going to have another Civil War or something. We apparently cant agree on anything. If we ban guns, then people will get mad. If we don't ban guns, then people will get mad. Why don't we just make stricter rules on gun ownership? then, we will still have guns, but we wont have constant shootings like we do now, and everybody will be satisfied. These constant shootings need to stop, but we don't need to change things in such a drastic way that it causes a war.

One Hong Konger thinks that America should ban all guns, therefore America is going to have another civil war. Hmmm.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/34 ... re-police/

Buffalo shooter planned to ‘shoot more Black people’ after attack on store: police

[Vassenor]

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3489680-buffalo-shooter-planned-to-shoot-more-black-people-after-attack-on-store-police/

Buffalo shooter planned to ‘shoot more Black people’ after attack on store: police

Doesn't sound like a mental health episode to me.

[Free Fernamand]

Yeah, limiting guns isn't the way to stop this -- the fact of the matter is that this bastard walked away from the mass shooting alive after he was convinced not to kill himself. If that doesn't tell you what side the cops are on - considering left-wing protests receive rubber bullets and black petty criminals receive an extrajudicial execution - then nothing will. Ideally, what people need to learn from this is that minorities, working-class, and leftist people need to start arming themselves as well so that little creeps like Gendron will get a well-deserved bullet next time they try something like this.

Ah I guess the Horseshoe theory is correct, Someone like me who is a white identitarian isolationist and Nationalist is agreeing with a Tankie

While, I guess that theory may not be true because this agreement might be a coincidence. It is like you two walk on different ways but gets the "same" result. Communists support guns because they want to use violence to overturn the capitalist government. While people like you support it because it is a right to own guns in the constitution. The way of thinking is still different. If other things happened, different ideas will appear.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3489680-buffalo-shooter-planned-to-shoot-more-black-people-after-attack-on-store-police/

Buffalo shooter planned to ‘shoot more Black people’ after attack on store: police

Doesn't sound like a mental health episode to me.

It wasn't. The police are calling it a hate crime.

[Vassenor]

Doesn't sound like a mental health episode to me.

It wasn't. The police are calling it a hate crime.

But as we've established in this thread we're only allowed to talk about this in terms of mental health. We're not allowed to call it a hate crime or suggest racism was a motivator or that he was radicalised by right-wing conspiracists.

[Indomitable Friendship]

If you're Eurocentric and reading this, understand that reactionary politics and hating everyone does not help our cause. Like I stated in Why I Care, WN that is centered on the repudiation and disgust of others has no future. At the end of the day, we want to build our lives, have families and work towards our eventual independence. Only the most suicidal of minds think that terrorism and agitating society into marginalizing us or potentially genociding us will facilitate any of these. We are oppressed and we should therefore know better to venerate ideologies which oppress others. We are hated and so we should learn that mutual hatred has no benefit for anyone and only serves to hinder our progression. All we have to do is mind our business, learn to build an identity based on positivity, not negativity and eventually things will fall into place. This isn't a pipe dream. It's just hard work and patience. Live your life, make something of yourself and have a big family. It's all legal and accomplishes far more than rabid anger.