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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 16, 2022 10:12 am

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San Lumen wrote: If you don't want to live with people who don't look like you there are plenty of countries that are ethnically homogeneous you can move too.


This is increasingly less true because of what you support and others who back liberal politics. As I pointed out, this issue is zero sum in what what I want infringes on what you'd want and vice versa. The entire majority white world is practically under siege or pressures to have unfettered immigration from non-white countries because nearly all of the White countries happen to have high living standards or be economically developed relatively speaking.


What is the white world? I remind you yet again the United States and every other country in the Americas was inhabited by the ingenious peoples for millennia before the Europeans came.

If someone from Africa or Asia wants to come to Europe or North America for a better life I welcome it. I could care less about their ethnically and this is coming from a white person.

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Postby Heloin » Mon May 16, 2022 10:13 am

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Heloin wrote:Listen, if you openly supported the mass shooter then it’d only barely be the worst thing you’ve admitted to on this site.

I don't support the shooter. Period. Stop with this bullshit.

You’re trying to distance an ideology that leads to mass murder from someone who actively went out to see that mass murder occur. You can either think hard about the ideas you support or deny it and pretend that this isn’t the only path your hate leads to.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon May 16, 2022 10:14 am

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:There you go again, invalidating my life. I do know what a police state is. I've lived under 1 my entire life. I'm the guy that wants to abolish law enforcement, prisons and the judicial system, remember? All of those ethnically homogeneous places have nothing going for them economically. What is a roboticist going to do in Albania? All those small countries are dying. I'm not that much of an idealist. There are practical things to consider. I wouldn't even mind multiracial America if it was less of a totalitarian hole because I could just self segregate, but the US is a totalitarian hole. Everywhere else is too, just even worse. Space colonization can't come soon enough and I might devote the rest of my life to it.


No you have not. I know people who came from totalitarian countries and to call the US one is an insult to them.

Do you know anything about Serbia or Slovenia? I bet the answer is no and your just making another generalization.


Slovenia is a multi-party democracy and a member of both the EU and NATO. Where are you getting the idea it is a totalitarian state?

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 10:16 am

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:There you go again, invalidating my life. I do know what a police state is. I've lived under 1 my entire life. I'm the guy that wants to abolish law enforcement, prisons and the judicial system, remember? All of those ethnically homogeneous places have nothing going for them economically. What is a roboticist going to do in Albania? All those small countries are dying. I'm not that much of an idealist. There are practical things to consider. I wouldn't even mind multiracial America if it was less of a totalitarian hole because I could just self segregate, but the US is a totalitarian hole. Everywhere else is too, just even worse. Space colonization can't come soon enough and I might devote the rest of my life to it.


No you have not. I know people who came from totalitarian countries and to call the US one is an insult to them.

Do you know anything about Serbia or Slovenia? I bet the answer is no and your just making another generalization.

US is totalitarian. We have police; we have prisons and we have laws that dictate every aspect of a person's life. Stop trying to tell me a couple extra links on the chain is freedom. I'm not having that conservative nonsense.

I talk to a few Serbs and they say their country is miserable and dying. Everyone is leaving for jobs. Slovenia is a tiny place, so it can't be much better in that regard. It's irrelevant. I'm just tying to get through school and put food on the table. Moving is not even something to consider.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon May 16, 2022 10:16 am

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
This is increasingly less true because of what you support and others who back liberal politics. As I pointed out, this issue is zero sum in what what I want infringes on what you'd want and vice versa. The entire majority white world is practically under siege or pressures to have unfettered immigration from non-white countries because nearly all of the White countries happen to have high living standards or be economically developed relatively speaking.


What is the white world? I remind you yet again the United States and every other country in the Americas was inhabited by the ingenious peoples for millennia before the Europeans came.

If someone from Africa or Asia wants to come to Europe or North America for a better life I welcome it. I could care less about their ethnically and this is coming from a white person.


You're also Jewish so a white nationalist would likely not consider you white.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 16, 2022 10:17 am

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San Lumen wrote:
No you have not. I know people who came from totalitarian countries and to call the US one is an insult to them.

Do you know anything about Serbia or Slovenia? I bet the answer is no and your just making another generalization.


Slovenia is a multi-party democracy and a member of both the EU and NATO. Where are you getting the idea it is a totalitarian state?


I wasn't trying to claim it was one. I am well aware its all of those things. The other poster said it had nothing going for them economically and is a dying country. That's what my question was in reference too. I should have made a clearer distinction in my reply.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon May 16, 2022 10:20 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Slovenia is a multi-party democracy and a member of both the EU and NATO. Where are you getting the idea it is a totalitarian state?


I wasn't trying to claim it was one. I am well aware its all of those things. The other poster said it had nothing going for them economically and is a dying country. That's what my question was in reference too. I should have made a clearer distinction in my reply.


Fair enough.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon May 16, 2022 10:20 am

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The Reformed American Republic wrote:It's a disgusting book with a disgusting premise.

I am aware but he was literally explaining the plot a bombing or shooting happens so the government takes away people's guns so the white men revolt is that not the plot? ALso, I agree it is a disgusting book so is his second book, Hunter.

There's no doubt mass shooters like this are influenced by this book. Don't think there will be such a scenario with a complete gun ban though, despite Democratic rhetoric, and even if there was, with it causing a "revolution," it would be more "mainstream" right wingers mainly running the show. The book is not realistic.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 16, 2022 10:21 am

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San Lumen wrote:
No you have not. I know people who came from totalitarian countries and to call the US one is an insult to them.

Do you know anything about Serbia or Slovenia? I bet the answer is no and your just making another generalization.

US is totalitarian. We have police; we have prisons and we have laws that dictate every aspect of a person's life. Stop trying to tell me a couple extra links on the chain is freedom. I'm not having that conservative nonsense.

I talk to a few Serbs and they say their country is miserable and dying. Everyone is leaving for jobs. Slovenia is a tiny place, so it can't be much better in that regard. It's irrelevant. I'm just tying to get through school and put food on the table. Moving is not even something to consider.


Law and order is bad thing? why not just admit your an anarchist who doesn't want law or any sort of order? what should happen to the evil man who did this horrible act at the supermarket?

Can the government go to far sometimes? Yes. That does not mean we shouldn't have any laws at all.

A few Serbs does not represent the entire country. Regarding Slovenia your making absurd assumption about a country you likely know nothing about.

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Postby Hukhalia » Mon May 16, 2022 10:22 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No you have not. I know people who came from totalitarian countries and to call the US one is an insult to them.

Do you know anything about Serbia or Slovenia? I bet the answer is no and your just making another generalization.


Slovenia is a multi-party democracy and a member of both the EU and NATO. Where are you getting the idea it is a totalitarian state?

to be fair being a member of the EU or NATO is no guarantee against democratic backsliding or economic inefficiency. on the contrary, NATO has long propped up authoritarian regimes and the EU provides a convenient framework for demagogues to band together and consolidate power unimpeded i.e. PiS, Orban
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 10:24 am

Heloin wrote:
Indomitable Friendship wrote:I don't support the shooter. Period. Stop with this bullshit.

You’re trying to distance an ideology that leads to mass murder from someone who actively went out to see that mass murder occur. You can either think hard about the ideas you support or deny it and pretend that this isn’t the only path your hate leads to.

Ethnocentrism isn't an ideology. It's a human impulse in some people and you as an anthropologist should know that. I don't share the shooter's ideology and I'm not interested in rote back and forth with you. Stop harassing and willfully misrepresenting me.

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Postby American Legionaries » Mon May 16, 2022 10:25 am

Hukhalia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Slovenia is a multi-party democracy and a member of both the EU and NATO. Where are you getting the idea it is a totalitarian state?

to be fair being a member of the EU or NATO is no guarantee against democratic backsliding or economic inefficiency. on the contrary, NATO has long propped up authoritarian regimes and the EU provides a convenient framework for demagogues to band together and consolidate power unimpeded i.e. PiS, Orban


Say what? The organization founded in part by a fascist dictator is okay with totalitarian states?

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Postby Saiwania » Mon May 16, 2022 10:25 am

Indomitable Friendship wrote:US is totalitarian. We have police; we have prisons and we have laws that dictate every aspect of a person's life. Stop trying to tell me a couple extra links on the chain is freedom. I'm not having that conservative nonsense.


The US isn't meaningfully totalitarian, and I say this as someone who would want a galactic empire and sith equivalent to take over the country, with ideally the right leader and hierarchy of people in key positions of authority.

The US allows more free speech than most European countries. The US allows people to buy guns that other countries would never tolerate. The US has no social credit system, no official state media. Generally doesn't try micromanaging people's private life.

How in the world is the US less free than Russia, PRC, or DPRK?
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Postby Heloin » Mon May 16, 2022 10:29 am

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Heloin wrote:You’re trying to distance an ideology that leads to mass murder from someone who actively went out to see that mass murder occur. You can either think hard about the ideas you support or deny it and pretend that this isn’t the only path your hate leads to.

Ethnocentrism isn't an ideology. It's a human impulse in some people and you as an anthropologist should know that.

You’d think one would realise that makes me uniquely qualified to describe something that is an ideology as such but whateves.

I don't share the shooter's ideology and I'm not interested in rote back and forth with you. Stop harassing and willfully misrepresenting me.

You choose to be a racist bigot. So is the shooter. The only difference here is the shooter carried out the logical end of your whole ideology.

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Postby Adamede » Mon May 16, 2022 10:55 am

Gujsbo wrote:If you're going to ask me what "American Values" are, European Values not saying you have to convert just uphold the same moral framework.

What the fuck are you talking about?

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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon May 16, 2022 11:01 am

Gujsbo wrote:If you're going to ask me what "American Values" are, European Values not saying you have to convert just uphold the same moral framework.


So American values are worker rights, believing the weak and sick need to be protected, that one needs many viewpoints in politics etc?
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Postby Adamede » Mon May 16, 2022 11:01 am

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Heloin wrote:The classic lie that your not a supremacist. Used by racists the world over. It’s not original.


List of identitarian movements/organisation
- ADL
- BLM
-LGBTQ+

All of these are identitarian, The person who shot up the subway in NY was a black supremacist he identified with BLM same as the guy who mowed down a parade of grannies. If these groups are able to further a political agenda for their group why cant I?

IF those are your go to examples of people representing "identarian movements" no you can't join one either.

And those groups are not inherently violent, unlike white supremacy which has a long, long, LONG, history of using violence to enforce its views.
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Postby Adamede » Mon May 16, 2022 11:02 am

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Adamede wrote:What the fuck are you talking about?


Not all cultures are equal what about rape culture and toxic masculinity Culture are these equal to something like African or Asian cultures if all cultures are equal?

What?

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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon May 16, 2022 11:03 am

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Adamede wrote:What the fuck are you talking about?


Not all cultures are equal what about rape culture and toxic masculinity Culture are these equal to something like African or Asian cultures if all cultures are equal?


Interesting. Donald Trump and the current GOP mostly propose "Islamic values".
Does that make them un-american?
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Postby Adamede » Mon May 16, 2022 11:06 am

Gujsbo wrote:
Adamede wrote:What?

ARE ALL CULTURES EQUAL AND IS IT OK TO PRESERVE MY OWN? That's the question.

I mean no western culture is in danger of going extinct, least of all American culture.

And what does that have to do with a mass murdering white supremacist?

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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 16, 2022 11:06 am

Gujsbo wrote:
Adamede wrote:What?

ARE ALL CULTURES EQUAL AND IS IT OK TO PRESERVE MY OWN? That's the question.


There is no such thing as white culture. What is so damm special about being white?

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Postby Adamede » Mon May 16, 2022 11:10 am

Gujsbo wrote:
Adamede wrote:IF those are your go to examples of people representing "identarian movements" no you can't join one either.

And those groups are inherently violent, unlike white supremacy which has a long, long, LONG, history of using violence to enforce its views.


When have I advocated that Whites are inherently better than another group because of some biological or genetic reason never did I just viewed my way of life as better than others. And I believe a Black person follows my way of life and culture they are part of a superior culture.

Cultures are superior not races, Hell I believe race is both real and partly constructed.

Western culture has a long history dude. Most of it aint pretty.

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Postby Adamede » Mon May 16, 2022 11:11 am

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Adamede wrote:I mean no western culture is in danger of going extinct, least of all American culture.

And what does that have to do with a mass murdering white supremacist?


I don't people are equivilating "preserving culture" with "Muh White supremacy"

Generally for white supremacists culture = race and race = culture.

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Postby Hukhalia » Mon May 16, 2022 11:12 am

Gujsbo wrote:
Adamede wrote:What?

ARE ALL CULTURES EQUAL AND IS IT OK TO PRESERVE MY OWN? That's the question.

No. Your culture is bad and it should be shunned. The settler-colonialist American state, as a matter of historical necessity, will be dismantled.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 16, 2022 11:12 am

Gujsbo wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
There is no such thing as white culture. What is so damm special about being white?


It's a family of cultures check out my flag


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what is a German, American, French or British person? Its not defined as white.

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