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by Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2022 4:34 am
by Aymes » Mon May 16, 2022 4:34 am
Ifreann wrote:You like watching a fascist murdering people because you're a fascist.
by Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2022 4:51 am
Gujsbo wrote:Vassenor wrote:Should we talk about how toxic masculinity leads to men being radicalised like this? The way the feelings of inadequacy it creates lead people into the arms of the conspiracists?
I am not surprised shit like this happens you and society fucked this boy up and radicalized him, Even then it seems like he had mental problems and society did not help him why they still could. Overall straight white men are becoming the most persecuted group in America the ACLU had to apologize for posting a picture of a blond-haired child because "Muh White Supremacy". People like you disgust me because you take advantage of the dead people and are standing on top of their graves advocating for the censoring of free speech and banning all guns. So stop standing on the graves of people as political leverage.
Vassenor wrote:Also I see we're not allowed to talk about this incident in terms of anything other than guns because that puts it outside of what cons have pre-prepared arugments for.
by Grinning Dragon » Mon May 16, 2022 4:56 am
..."When I was 12 I was deep into communist ideology, talk to anyone from my old highschool and ask about me and you will hear that. From age 15 to 18 however, I consistently moved further to the right. On the political compass I fall in the mild-moderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist"
by Aymes » Mon May 16, 2022 4:57 am
Gujsbo wrote:Vassenor wrote:Should we talk about how toxic masculinity leads to men being radicalised like this? The way the feelings of inadequacy it creates lead people into the arms of the conspiracists?
I am not surprised shit like this happens you and society fucked this boy up and radicalized him, Even then it seems like he had mental problems and society did not help him why they still could. Overall straight white men are becoming the most persecuted group in America the ACLU had to apologize for posting a picture of a blond-haired child because "Muh White Supremacy". People like you disgust me because you take advantage of the dead people and are standing on top of their graves advocating for the censoring of free speech and banning all guns. So stop standing on the graves of people as political leverage.
by Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2022 4:59 am
Aymes wrote:Gujsbo wrote:I am not surprised shit like this happens you and society fucked this boy up and radicalized him, Even then it seems like he had mental problems and society did not help him why they still could. Overall straight white men are becoming the most persecuted group in America the ACLU had to apologize for posting a picture of a blond-haired child because "Muh White Supremacy". People like you disgust me because you take advantage of the dead people and are standing on top of their graves advocating for the censoring of free speech and banning all guns. So stop standing on the graves of people as political leverage.
Very good points all round.
by Ifreann » Mon May 16, 2022 5:11 am
Gujsbo wrote:Antipatros wrote:Yes, on Twitch. From what I've read, he drew a lot of inspiration from the Christchurch attack.
Yes and now people are saying 4chan and Twitch are now accomplices and are responsible. For some reference, the Governor of NY said the stream should have been deleted in minutes how the hell is you supposed to have an apparent moderator in every single stream at best it only had 22 viewers and from what I hear it was posted to 4chan, ok 4chan does everything in its power to help with police investigations, Afterall its an anonymous imageboard and is incredibly hard to tie something to one person. I would not be surprised if the person who posted it was using the TOR browser or a VPN or some shit like that.
by Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2022 5:13 am
Gujsbo wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So how should we be discussing this incident then?
Or do we just do the THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ONLY and then act shocked and surprised when it happens again?
"No way to prevent this says only country in the world where this happens"
The person who did it was clearly mentally deranged he should have gotten the help he needs, Want to know how school shootings happen someone says "oh that kid is weird and clearly has problems" but they say nothing they see someone getting bullied they do nothing about it. This is why things like this happen.
by Existential Cats » Mon May 16, 2022 5:38 am
Grinning Dragon wrote:Antipatros wrote:Is this a fascist = leftist take or is there some additional information about his views? Legitimately asking.
From shitbrick's screed of mindless incoherent ramblings:..."When I was 12 I was deep into communist ideology, talk to anyone from my old highschool and ask about me and you will hear that. From age 15 to 18 however, I consistently moved further to the right. On the political compass I fall in the mild-moderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist"
He also attributes his belief system from the internet as there was little to no influence on his beliefs by people he met and read multiple sources of information on all ideologies and decided that the current one is the most correct.
Are you a facsist?
Yes, fascism is one of the only political ideologies that will unite Whites against the replacers. Since that is what I seek, calling me a facsist would be accurate.
Are you a white supremacist?
Yes, I would call myself a white supremacist, afterall, which race is responsible for the world we live in today? I believe the White race is superior in the brain to all other races.
Are you racist?
Yes I am racist because I believe in differences of capabilities between races.
Are you intolerant?
Sure. The last virtues of a dying nation are tolerance and apathy, and I want none of it
by Hukhalia » Mon May 16, 2022 5:40 am
Gujsbo wrote:I have talked to people in these spaces they are clearly Straight White men that have been orchtrisized from society because of their race or how they look or some other factor. They are mad at the world clearly and need someone to blame A lot of them who do this are self-aware people like you after the fact will try to limit guns which makes them angrier.
by Hukhalia » Mon May 16, 2022 5:52 am
Gujsbo wrote:Hukhalia wrote:Yeah, limiting guns isn't the way to stop this -- the fact of the matter is that this bastard walked away from the mass shooting alive after he was convinced not to kill himself. If that doesn't tell you what side the cops are on - considering left-wing protests receive rubber bullets and black petty criminals receive an extrajudicial execution - then nothing will. Ideally, what people need to learn from this is that minorities, working-class, and leftist people need to start arming themselves as well so that little creeps like Gendron will get a well-deserved bullet next time they try something like this.
Ah I guess the Horseshoe theory is correct, Someone like me who is a white identitarian isolationist and Nationalist is agreeing with a Tankie
by Ifreann » Mon May 16, 2022 5:54 am
Gujsbo wrote:I have talked to people in these spaces they are clearly Straight White men that have been orchtrisized from society because of their race or how they look or some other factor. They are mad at the world clearly and need someone to blame A lot of them who do this are self-aware people like you after the fact will try to limit guns which makes them angrier.
by Utquiagvik » Mon May 16, 2022 6:05 am
by Hukhalia » Mon May 16, 2022 6:07 am
Utquiagvik wrote:This thread has further convinced me that America is going to have another Civil War or something. We apparently cant agree on anything. If we ban guns, then people will get mad. If we don't ban guns, then people will get mad. Why don't we just make stricter rules on gun ownership? then, we will still have guns, but we wont have constant shootings like we do now, and everybody will be satisfied. These constant shootings need to stop, but we don't need to change things in such a drastic way that it causes a war.
by Free Fernamand » Mon May 16, 2022 6:15 am
Royal Frankia wrote:"Can the local republicans please explain why they believe what this person did is wrong; despite his actions being logical if one truly believes republican rhetoric?"
He took the lives of innocent people over skin pigmentation, as a Bernie supporter tried to do with Republican Congressmen over political ideology. Extremists can easily convince themselves they can solve all their problems with bloodshed, be they on the Left or the Right.
Most of the shooter's viewpoints are extreme and go against official dogma within the GOP. Many leading GOP Congressmen are African American, after all. Try squaring antisemitism with the pro-Israel stance of Evangelical Christians that are largely Trump supporters.
I'm just playing devil's advocate, as I'm apolitical by and large.
A great shame, maybe the feds will get involved as this should be classified as an act of domestic terrorism given his motivation. Timothy McVeigh was executed within 6 years of the OKC bombing, so that might play out here.
by Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 6:27 am
Ifreann wrote:Gujsbo wrote:I have talked to people in these spaces they are clearly Straight White men that have been orchtrisized from society because of their race or how they look or some other factor. They are mad at the world clearly and need someone to blame A lot of them who do this are self-aware people like you after the fact will try to limit guns which makes them angrier.
Hard to believe that white nationalists are actually ostracised from society when their views are broadcast on mainstream news media.
by Galloism » Mon May 16, 2022 6:49 am
Vassenor wrote:Should we talk about how toxic masculinity leads to men being radicalised like this? The way the feelings of inadequacy it creates leads people into the arms of the conspiracists?
by Ifreann » Mon May 16, 2022 6:51 am
Utquiagvik wrote:This thread has further convinced me that America is going to have another Civil War or something. We apparently cant agree on anything. If we ban guns, then people will get mad. If we don't ban guns, then people will get mad. Why don't we just make stricter rules on gun ownership? then, we will still have guns, but we wont have constant shootings like we do now, and everybody will be satisfied. These constant shootings need to stop, but we don't need to change things in such a drastic way that it causes a war.
by San Lumen » Mon May 16, 2022 6:53 am
by Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2022 6:54 am
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3489680-buffalo-shooter-planned-to-shoot-more-black-people-after-attack-on-store-police/
Buffalo shooter planned to ‘shoot more Black people’ after attack on store: police
by Free Fernamand » Mon May 16, 2022 6:55 am
Gujsbo wrote:Hukhalia wrote:Yeah, limiting guns isn't the way to stop this -- the fact of the matter is that this bastard walked away from the mass shooting alive after he was convinced not to kill himself. If that doesn't tell you what side the cops are on - considering left-wing protests receive rubber bullets and black petty criminals receive an extrajudicial execution - then nothing will. Ideally, what people need to learn from this is that minorities, working-class, and leftist people need to start arming themselves as well so that little creeps like Gendron will get a well-deserved bullet next time they try something like this.
Ah I guess the Horseshoe theory is correct, Someone like me who is a white identitarian isolationist and Nationalist is agreeing with a Tankie
by Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2022 7:01 am
by Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 7:01 am
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