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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 15, 2022 10:42 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:If I wanted to live in 1984 I would just move to China, not bring that shit to America.


"bring that" to America ?

Remember that whole "we have always been at war with X" bit; where the great leader suddenly replaces X with Y and the population immediately does not remember there used to be an X ?

Remind you of anything in the USA nowadays ?


No, actually, what are you even talking about?

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Please, tell us all again how even more laws will prevent shit like this from happening again, even though not a single law protected anyone in this instance or any previous incident. :roll:


Laws need to be enforced. The supply of the guns would need to be targeted.


If you have a 3D printer and an internet connection you can make a gun. This ship has long since sailed.
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Postby Adamede » Sun May 15, 2022 10:42 am

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Port Caverton wrote:If I wanted to live in 1984 I would just move to China, not bring that shit to America.


"bring that" to America ?

Remember that whole "we have always been at war with X" bit; where the great leader suddenly replaces X with Y and the population immediately does not remember there used to be an X ?

Remind you of anything in the USA nowadays ?

Nope. Are you denying that the PRC is an oppressive dictatorship?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun May 15, 2022 10:43 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Please, tell us all again how even more laws will prevent shit like this from happening again, even though not a single law protected anyone in this instance or any previous incident. :roll:


Laws need to be enforced. The supply of the guns would need to be targeted.


What happens when law enforcement is more afraid of negative effects of "door-to-door" confiscation then loosing their jobs?

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Postby Adamede » Sun May 15, 2022 10:43 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
"bring that" to America ?

Remember that whole "we have always been at war with X" bit; where the great leader suddenly replaces X with Y and the population immediately does not remember there used to be an X ?

Remind you of anything in the USA nowadays ?


No, actually, what are you even talking about?

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Laws need to be enforced. The supply of the guns would need to be targeted.


If you have a 3D printer and an internet connection you can make a gun. This ship has long since sailed.

With shit like the FGC-9 you don't even need dedicated guns parts anymore.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sun May 15, 2022 10:43 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:If I wanted to live in 1984 I would just move to China, not bring that shit to America.


"bring that" to America ?

Remember that whole "we have always been at war with X" bit; where the great leader suddenly replaces X with Y and the population immediately does not remember there used to be an X ?

Remind you of anything in the USA nowadays ?

Be more specific
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun May 15, 2022 10:44 am

Adamede wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No, actually, what are you even talking about?



If you have a 3D printer and an internet connection you can make a gun. This ship has long since sailed.

With shit like the FGC-9 you don't even need dedicated guns parts anymore.


Anyone with access to a hardware store can pretty much make a Luty.

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Postby Adamede » Sun May 15, 2022 10:46 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Adamede wrote:With shit like the FGC-9 you don't even need dedicated guns parts anymore.


Anyone with access to a hardware store can pretty much make a Luty.

Yah but that always seemed like you needed a bit of metal working knowledge.

Of course that's never stopped criminals before.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun May 15, 2022 10:46 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
"bring that" to America ?

Remember that whole "we have always been at war with X" bit; where the great leader suddenly replaces X with Y and the population immediately does not remember there used to be an X ?

Remind you of anything in the USA nowadays ?


No, actually, what are you even talking about?


I am referencing one of the most significant plotpoints of 1984 (which I assume you never bothered to read) and not too subtly hinting that this is a staple thing for the GOP.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 15, 2022 10:47 am

Adamede wrote:
Ifreann wrote:IM lives in Hong Kong.

Yah I know he has but I've also seen mention of him living in Canada at one point or another.

Regardless the dude broke NY's AWB, and a full gun ban just isn't possible in America. But then again that's what the shit head wanted.

I mean, it's a pretty reasonable to refuse to allow a far-right plot to dictate the terms of the response to this attack. Not that I think that stricter gun laws would be a good response.


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Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Please, tell us all again how even more laws will prevent shit like this from happening again, even though not a single law protected anyone in this instance or any previous incident. :roll:


Laws need to be enforced. The supply of the guns would need to be targeted.

American law enforcement already constitutes the third best funded military on Earth.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 15, 2022 10:49 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Laws need to be enforced. The supply of the guns would need to be targeted.


What happens when law enforcement is more afraid of negative effects of "door-to-door" confiscation then loosing their jobs?

Cops start bombing city blocks?
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Postby Victorious Friesland » Sun May 15, 2022 11:06 am

Ifreann wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
What happens when law enforcement is more afraid of negative effects of "door-to-door" confiscation then loosing their jobs?

Cops start bombing city blocks?



I mean, they've been bombing left-wing extremists for years. Giving Reich-wingers the same treatment is fine with me.

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Postby Adamede » Sun May 15, 2022 11:18 am

Victorious Friesland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Cops start bombing city blocks?



I mean, they've been bombing left-wing extremists for years. Giving Reich-wingers the same treatment is fine with me.

Yah I don't think that would be accomplished by going around and harassing the civilian population.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 15, 2022 11:19 am

Victorious Friesland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Cops start bombing city blocks?



I mean, they've been bombing left-wing extremists for years. Giving Reich-wingers the same treatment is fine with me.

I would rather the cops did fewer bombings, personally.
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Postby Victorious Friesland » Sun May 15, 2022 11:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
Victorious Friesland wrote:

I mean, they've been bombing left-wing extremists for years. Giving Reich-wingers the same treatment is fine with me.

I would rather the cops did fewer bombings, personally.


Well, yes, ideally. However, given the American love affair with police budgets, that seems unlikely. Since equal protection under the law seems mostly a pipe dream, I'll settle for equal violence.

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Postby Adamede » Sun May 15, 2022 12:19 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Adamede wrote:Yah I know he has but I've also seen mention of him living in Canada at one point or another.

Regardless the dude broke NY's AWB, and a full gun ban just isn't possible in America. But then again that's what the shit head wanted.

I mean, it's a pretty reasonable to refuse to allow a far-right plot to dictate the terms of the response to this attack. Not that I think that stricter gun laws would be a good response.

Not really what I was trying to get at. A gun ban would be not only stupid and extremely divisive but would also be ineffective and solve nothing, hence why the shooter wants it to be the outcome to spark his race war. Same with the Christchurch shooter.
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Postby Adamede » Sun May 15, 2022 12:20 pm

Victorious Friesland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I would rather the cops did fewer bombings, personally.


Well, yes, ideally. However, given the American love affair with police budgets, that seems unlikely. Since equal protection under the law seems mostly a pipe dream, I'll settle for equal violence.

And I thought I had dumb ideas.

And what does that even have to do with the comments you're replying to?
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Postby Kernen » Sun May 15, 2022 1:06 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Victorious Friesland wrote:

I mean, they've been bombing left-wing extremists for years. Giving Reich-wingers the same treatment is fine with me.

I would rather the cops did fewer bombings, personally.

That sounds dangerously like being anti police and therefore anti America, citizen.

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Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Please, tell us all again how even more laws will prevent shit like this from happening again, even though not a single law protected anyone in this instance or any previous incident. :roll:


Laws need to be enforced. The supply of the guns would need to be targeted.


Darn that pesky 2A.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun May 15, 2022 1:16 pm

Victorious Friesland wrote:I mean, they've been bombing left-wing extremists for years. Giving Reich-wingers the same treatment is fine with me.

Knock it off with both the trolling and basically going "YAY VIOLENCE AGAINST THOSE GUYS!" If you can't debate your point without resorting to "fun" nicknames like "Reich-wing", then maybe don't try debating it.
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Sun May 15, 2022 2:11 pm

Gujsbo wrote:I found a copy of the manifesto online most of it is just him talking about the coolest guns and body gear, And talking about how much he loves Brendan Tarrent.

In a way it is true, It is an undeniable fact that white people have a lower birth rate than the death rate in the west and population trends such as shown in the census. But at the same time, it is not being orchestrated by the Jews or some shit like that.

My deepest condolences to the families of the murdered people


He had already threatened a school shooting previously and tortured a cat to death. I think this kid was just looking for an excuse and as such should not be treated entirely as a political act of terror, imo.

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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun May 15, 2022 2:12 pm

The saddest part of this is the massive loss of life. May they rest in peace.

The second saddest is just how routine this thread is.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 15, 2022 2:23 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Gujsbo wrote:I found a copy of the manifesto online most of it is just him talking about the coolest guns and body gear, And talking about how much he loves Brendan Tarrent.

In a way it is true, It is an undeniable fact that white people have a lower birth rate than the death rate in the west and population trends such as shown in the census. But at the same time, it is not being orchestrated by the Jews or some shit like that.

My deepest condolences to the families of the murdered people


He had already threatened a school shooting previously and tortured a cat to death. I think this kid was just looking for an excuse and as such should not be treated entirely as a political act of terror, imo.


Racist doesn't want racist mass murder to be treated as terrorism. Shocking.
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Sun May 15, 2022 2:32 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Indomitable Friendship wrote:
He had already threatened a school shooting previously and tortured a cat to death. I think this kid was just looking for an excuse and as such should not be treated entirely as a political act of terror, imo.


Racist doesn't want racist mass murder to be treated as terrorism. Shocking.


I said "entirely". He already had a history of mental illness and fantasization about this kind of thing. I am saying it would be ham-fisted reductionism to not take all the factors into consideration. I've read parts of the manifesto and he seems like he just wanted some kind of excuse to kill people and latched on to something to justify it in his mind. It was an act of terror, yes, but there is more than that at play and the surrounding context should not be ignored.

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Postby Adamede » Sun May 15, 2022 3:08 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Gujsbo wrote:I found a copy of the manifesto online most of it is just him talking about the coolest guns and body gear, And talking about how much he loves Brendan Tarrent.

In a way it is true, It is an undeniable fact that white people have a lower birth rate than the death rate in the west and population trends such as shown in the census. But at the same time, it is not being orchestrated by the Jews or some shit like that.

My deepest condolences to the families of the murdered people


He had already threatened a school shooting previously and tortured a cat to death. I think this kid was just looking for an excuse and as such should not be treated entirely as a political act of terror, imo.

Only if you're a moron. Or got an agenda to push that aligns a bit too much with the killer's.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun May 15, 2022 3:15 pm

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There are procedures for dealing with crimes. Summary execution is not part of that procedure. I also don't like the death penalty, as it's an expensive process that isn't reversible in the case of a mistaken conviction.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 15, 2022 3:23 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/15/us/buffa ... index.html

Mass shooting at Buffalo supermarket was a racist hate crime, police say

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