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Postby Duvniask » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:09 pm

New haven america wrote:
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How many fucking Call of Dutys are there?

33, not counting remakes and box sets.

The real answer is 19, which is still pretty impressive. Shit like mobile games don't count.

There's been (at least) one new Call of Duty game every year since the original released in 2003... with the exception of 2004. Guess they needed an extra year of effort for the first sequel before it became apparent that the franchise could be milked yearly.
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Postby Great Heathen Air Force » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:11 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Diuhon wrote:what absolute horseshit

but then again you republicans accept bigots


He’s okay. If you find an area you can both agree on. For me and him it’s our disdain for the Cuban government and several other dictatorships.

It's hard to find a reason to distain them when everything is just "opinions" and "different opinions."

The GMS argument style where there are no facts, and facts are just opinions anyway, reduces all discussion into a useless blob. You can't hurt the blob, your blows are just absorbed or pass through it harmlessly. But the blob can't hurt you either. Its own mushy nature makes it impotent. It is impossible for it to ever have a point.
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Postby Oskenia » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:13 pm

Great Heathen Air Force wrote:The GMS argument style where there are no facts, and facts are just opinions anyway, reduces all discussion into a useless blob. You can't hurt the blob, your blows are just absorbed or pass through it harmlessly. But the blob can't hurt you either. Its own mushy nature makes it impotent. It is impossible for it to ever have a point.


That has to be one of the strangest analogies I've ever heard.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:15 pm

Great Heathen Air Force wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
He’s okay. If you find an area you can both agree on. For me and him it’s our disdain for the Cuban government and several other dictatorships.

It's hard to find a reason to distain them when everything is just "opinions" and "different opinions."

The GMS argument style where there are no facts, and facts are just opinions anyway, reduces all discussion into a useless blob. You can't hurt the blob, your blows are just absorbed or pass through it harmlessly. But the blob can't hurt you either. Its own mushy nature makes it impotent. It is impossible for it to ever have a point.


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Postby Ulajhan » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:22 pm

Oskenia wrote:
Great Heathen Air Force wrote:The GMS argument style where there are no facts, and facts are just opinions anyway, reduces all discussion into a useless blob. You can't hurt the blob, your blows are just absorbed or pass through it harmlessly. But the blob can't hurt you either. Its own mushy nature makes it impotent. It is impossible for it to ever have a point.


That has to be one of the strangest analogies I've ever heard.

But largely accurate.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:31 pm

Zurkerx wrote:“On religious grounds to all available COVID–19 vaccines because they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children”: that was a dissent by Justice Clarence Thomas.

My first response was what the fuck so I looked into it a bit further. This is a debunked claim. Basically, Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cells in the early stages of developing their vaccines, a common method to how vaccines are developed actually. However, these fetal cells came from elective abortions decades ago, and they have replicated so many times that the originals are no longer used in modern vaccines.

So you're wondering where this came from? Well, the court turned away a case involving 16 healthcare workers from NY who oppose the state’s vaccination mandate on religious grounds. That's where they cited that the vaccines use "aborted cells" and thus, their religious freedom is being violated. Alito and Gorsuch also joined Thomas.


So, they are being complete and total idiots, then?


Sounds about right.
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Postby Diuhon » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:33 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Diuhon wrote:what absolute horseshit

but then again you republicans accept bigots


He’s okay. If you find an area you can both agree on. For me and him it’s our disdain for the Cuban government and several other dictatorships.

i don't have to hand it to bigots or to authoritarians

maybe as cannon fodder, they're useful at soaking up damage at the expense of their lives

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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:38 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Umeria wrote:Wtf are you guys talking about? Why should people be deported just for having bad opinions?

In Politics there are no bad opinions, just different opinions.


So Communism is ok by you, then? It's not a bad opinion, it's just different?
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Postby Diuhon » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:40 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:In Politics there are no bad opinions, just different opinions.


So Communism is ok by you, then? It's not a bad opinion, it's just different?

as a purely hypothetical movement that wants to uplift a long-downtrodden class and promote economic equality, there's nothing that beats it

in the real world, of course

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Postby NEON Cactus Kid » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:50 pm

Diuhon wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
So Communism is ok by you, then? It's not a bad opinion, it's just different?

as a purely hypothetical movement that wants to uplift a long-downtrodden class and promote economic equality, there's nothing that beats it

in the real world, of course


So, I guess mass killings and oppression are the best.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:01 pm

NEON Cactus Kid wrote:
Diuhon wrote:as a purely hypothetical movement that wants to uplift a long-downtrodden class and promote economic equality, there's nothing that beats it

in the real world, of course


So, I guess mass killings and oppression are the best.

Considering how reliant Capitalism is on exploitable labor and rewards exploiting resources at the expense of the people who extract them and live near them, you already signed off on mass killing and oppression anyway, but they gave you a playstation so you wouldn't think too hard about it.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:18 pm

Diuhon wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
So Communism is ok by you, then? It's not a bad opinion, it's just different?

as a purely hypothetical movement that wants to uplift a long-downtrodden class and promote economic equality, there's nothing that beats it

in the real world, of course


I don't think I was talking to you.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:38 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u_cm5b1s7Y

Supposedly it takes up to 28 full days for someone to 100% get through withdrawal from marijuana. So it is perhaps a huge mistake for much of the US to have ever legalized or decriminalized it. Its clear to me that its out of control now, and to reign it back in necessitates going back to locking up people for 40+ years for possession of it. The effects seem unacceptably bad to me.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:58 am

Saiwania wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u_cm5b1s7Y

Supposedly it takes up to 28 full days for someone to 100% get through withdrawal from marijuana. So it is perhaps a huge mistake for much of the US to have ever legalized or decriminalized it. Its clear to me that its out of control now, and to reign it back in necessitates going back to locking up people for 40+ years for possession of it. The effects seem unacceptably bad to me.

I dunno, it made reading this easier.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:25 am

If the neo-nazi eco-fascist thinks it's bad then maybe it's actually really, really, really good and we should keep doing it.

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Postby NEON Cactus Kid » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:26 am

Despite the new January 6 revelations and the backlash against the overturning of Roe vs. Wade, I am about 80% certain that the Republicans will win control of congress this year. Here are four reasons why I think so:

1. The issue that tends to matter most to the average American voter is the economy. With inflation hurting the finances of many Americans and the fact that a recession seems to be on the horizon, swing voters (who pretty much decide the outcome of most major elections) would be more likely to vote Republican in the blind hope that they can fix the economy.

2. Rising crime rates have become a major problem in the eyes of most Americans, and the Democrats are largely seen as being weak on crime. When you consider that public safety is also a major concern for voters, this doesn't bode well for the Democrats.

3. With Biden still unlikely to cancel any student debt, the Democrats can't count on large numbers of energized and optimistic youths to come out and vote for them. Jaded voters tend to just remain at home and become politically apathetic.

4. With Roe vs. Wade being overturned and many states implementing conservative policies, the Republicans can count on large numbers of energized and optimistic conservatives who hate Biden and the Democrats to come out in large numbers to vote.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:28 am

Fun fact: SCOTUS doesn't have power to enforce laws, that power only lies with the executive branch.

As such, the President can tell SCOTUS to fuck off and that their interpretations don't apply due to the fact that they hold no authority to enforce said rulings, and quite a few presidents have used this power in the past. Cue the right wing and authoritarians of the site repeating "tHaTs A cOuP!!11!!"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_Merryman
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Postby Diuhon » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 am

New haven america wrote:Fun fact: SCOTUS doesn't have power to enforce laws, that power only lies with the executive branch.

As such, the President can tell SCOTUS to fuck off and that their interpretations don't apply due to the fact that they hold no authority to enforce said rulings, and quite a few presidents have used this power in the past. Cue the right wing and authoritarians of the site repeating "tHaTs A cOuP!!11!!"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_Merryman

the nomarch governors and the republican junta will certainly insist the powers now belong to them, yes

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:36 am

NEON Cactus Kid wrote:Despite the new January 6 revelations and the backlash against the overturning of Roe vs. Wade, I am about 80% certain that the Republicans will win control of congress this year. Here are four reasons why I think so:

1. The issue that tends to matter most to the average American voter is the economy. With inflation hurting the finances of many Americans and the fact that a recession seems to be on the horizon, swing voters (who pretty much decide the outcome of most major elections) would be more likely to vote Republican in the blind hope that they can fix the economy.

2. Rising crime rates have become a major problem in the eyes of most Americans, and the Democrats are largely seen as being weak on crime. When you consider that public safety is also a major concern for voters, this doesn't bode well for the Democrats.

3. With Biden still unlikely to cancel any student debt, the Democrats can't count on large numbers of energized and optimistic youths to come out and vote for them. Jaded voters tend to just remain at home and become politically apathetic.

4. With Roe vs. Wade being overturned and many states implementing conservative policies, the Republicans can count on large numbers of energized and optimistic conservatives who hate Biden and the Democrats to come out in large numbers to vote.


So what is Biden supposed to do to fix this?
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:36 am

New haven america wrote:Fun fact: SCOTUS doesn't have power to enforce laws, that power only lies with the executive branch.

As such, the President can tell SCOTUS to fuck off and that their interpretations don't apply due to the fact that they hold no authority to enforce said rulings, and quite a few presidents have used this power in the past. Cue the right wing and authoritarians of the site repeating "tHaTs A cOuP!!11!!"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_Merryman


I don't think anyone was under the impression that any of the justices were out collaring criminals themselves. So I don't see how this really matters.

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Postby NEON Cactus Kid » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:40 am

Vassenor wrote:
NEON Cactus Kid wrote:Despite the new January 6 revelations and the backlash against the overturning of Roe vs. Wade, I am about 80% certain that the Republicans will win control of congress this year. Here are four reasons why I think so:

1. The issue that tends to matter most to the average American voter is the economy. With inflation hurting the finances of many Americans and the fact that a recession seems to be on the horizon, swing voters (who pretty much decide the outcome of most major elections) would be more likely to vote Republican in the blind hope that they can fix the economy.

2. Rising crime rates have become a major problem in the eyes of most Americans, and the Democrats are largely seen as being weak on crime. When you consider that public safety is also a major concern for voters, this doesn't bode well for the Democrats.

3. With Biden still unlikely to cancel any student debt, the Democrats can't count on large numbers of energized and optimistic youths to come out and vote for them. Jaded voters tend to just remain at home and become politically apathetic.

4. With Roe vs. Wade being overturned and many states implementing conservative policies, the Republicans can count on large numbers of energized and optimistic conservatives who hate Biden and the Democrats to come out in large numbers to vote.


So what is Biden supposed to do to fix this?


It matters not to the average American voter whether the president does or does not have the power to unilaterally change anything. What matters is how things are. When things are bad, things tend to go badly to whoever is in power.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:49 am

NEON Cactus Kid wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what is Biden supposed to do to fix this?


It matters not to the average American voter whether the president does or does not have the power to unilaterally change anything. What matters is how things are. When things are bad, things tend to go badly to whoever is in power.


Or we can stop doomsaying and figure out how to fix the problems.
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Postby Diuhon » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:55 am

Vassenor wrote:
NEON Cactus Kid wrote:
It matters not to the average American voter whether the president does or does not have the power to unilaterally change anything. What matters is how things are. When things are bad, things tend to go badly to whoever is in power.


Or we can stop doomsaying and figure out how to fix the problems.

you can't, not in the limited time you have, not with the institutions now arrayed against you

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:27 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:In Politics there are no bad opinions, just different opinions.


So Communism is ok by you, then? It's not a bad opinion, it's just different?

:) :rofl: lol. No communist socialism is bad, according to me, but they have a democratic right to be communists, socialists, without anyone including me telling them they are wrong and I am right. I don't tell any persons who support the communist socialist Cuban regime, they are wrong and I am right. I respect all persons democratic rights and freedom of speech to their different views, to think differently than I do, on CRT, Republicans, Democrats, Cuba, Trump. the election results, Jan 6 and all issues, it is called Freedom of Speech and Democracy, I Practice with Pride and Honor. GMS with Pride and Honor. I guess that makes me a social libertarian, :) :rofl: lol again.
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