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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:33 am

Catholic America wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There's only about 182,000 automatic guns legally owned by civilians in the United States and its been something like 70 years since one was used in a crime. Bit of an odd agenda you have here.

70 years? Bruh we had two mass shootings with automatic rifles in june alone. 33 people, including 20 kids, dead. Thats a crime. Your just trolling my guy.

Neither of those involved automatic rifles.
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:33 am

Catholic America wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There's only about 182,000 automatic guns legally owned by civilians in the United States and its been something like 70 years since one was used in a crime. Bit of an odd agenda you have here.

70 years? Bruh we had two mass shootings with automatic rifles in june alone. 33 people, including 20 kids, dead. Thats a crime. Your just trolling my guy.

neither of those were automatic though
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:34 am

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Catholic America wrote:I say we take out the second amendment

i say that any attempt to disarm the proletariat must be frustrated by force if necessary

If the US army went at it with the "proletariat" it would be a very short fight. (not advocating violence, chill hair trigger reporters) The army would whip their asses with the billions of taxpayer dollars spent on the army.
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:34 am

Catholic America wrote:
Hispida wrote:i say that any attempt to disarm the proletariat must be frustrated by force if necessary

If the US army went at it with the "proletariat" it would be a very short fight. (not advocating violence, chill hair trigger reporters) The army would whip their asses with the billions of taxpayer dollars spent on the army.

i agree, the socialist revolution will not begin in america

if i had to choose a country it's most likely to restart in... most probably india? somewhere the proletarian revolution is developed enough but the chains of imperialism are the weakest.
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:35 am

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Catholic America wrote:70 years? Bruh we had two mass shootings with automatic rifles in june alone. 33 people, including 20 kids, dead. Thats a crime. Your just trolling my guy.


People get upset if you call semi-automatic rifles automatic rifles despite them being automatic rifles.


Yeah. OHHHHH Im sorry not sorry gun nuts.
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:36 am

Hispida wrote:
Catholic America wrote:If the US army went at it with the "proletariat" it would be a very short fight. (not advocating violence, chill hair trigger reporters) The army would whip their asses with the billions of taxpayer dollars spent on the army.

i agree, the socialist revolution will not begin in america

if i had to choose a country it's most likely to restart in... most probably india? somewhere the proletarian revolution is developed enough but the chains of imperialism are the weakest.

or in europe, asia, africa, or south america
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:36 am

I accidentally duplicated posts
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:36 am

Catholic America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
People get upset if you call semi-automatic rifles automatic rifles despite them being automatic rifles.


Yeah. OHHHHH Im sorry not sorry gun nuts.

I mean, you might as well have said we need to ban tanks because they used tanks in those shootings.

When you use wrong terms to mean wrong things, people will point out your error. This isn't an "upset" thing. It's a "facts and language" thing.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:37 am

Vassenor wrote:
Catholic America wrote:70 years? Bruh we had two mass shootings with automatic rifles in june alone. 33 people, including 20 kids, dead. Thats a crime. Your just trolling my guy.


People get upset if you call semi-automatic rifles automatic rifles despite them being automatic rifles.


Even the Tech Branch at ATF would laugh at this and they jump at the chance to classify anything as an NFA item.
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:39 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
People get upset if you call semi-automatic rifles automatic rifles despite them being automatic rifles.


Even the Tech Branch at ATF would laugh at this and they jump at the chance to classify anything as an NFA item.

Oh another 3 letter agency that does the same thing and would be just fine as a sub agency of the fbi.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:43 am

Vassenor wrote:
Catholic America wrote:70 years? Bruh we had two mass shootings with automatic rifles in june alone. 33 people, including 20 kids, dead. Thats a crime. Your just trolling my guy.


People get upset if you call semi-automatic rifles automatic rifles despite them being automatic rifles.


If you can't even properly identify a rifle then you damn sure shouldn't be calling to ban them.

In this age of free information, remaining ignorant and posting it is spreading lies and/or stupidity.
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:45 am

Maybe some people have better things to do with their time besides learning useless information about the difference between automatic and semi automatic rifles. They should both be banned and consfiscated anyway.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:47 am

Catholic America wrote:Maybe some people have better things to do with their time besides learning useless information about the difference between automatic and semi automatic rifles. They should both be banned and consfiscated anyway.


Why? Does their existence hurt your feewings? :rofl:
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:01 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Catholic America wrote:Maybe some people have better things to do with their time besides learning useless information about the difference between automatic and semi automatic rifles. They should both be banned and consfiscated anyway.


Why? Does their existence hurt your feewings? :rofl:

because people use them to massacre eachother so often that ots always on the news. something must be done, and if the price we have to pay is law abiding gun owners lose thier guns, oh well.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:05 am

Catholic America wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Why? Does their existence hurt your feewings? :rofl:

because people use them to massacre eachother so often that ots always on the news. something must be done, and if the price we have to pay is law abiding gun owners lose thier guns, oh well.


Rifles are actually statistically the least likely guns to be used in crime and only account for ~400ish murders a year. By comparison pistols, which you want to leave alone, usually account for something like~8,000 or more.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:13 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Catholic America wrote:because people use them to massacre eachother so often that ots always on the news. something must be done, and if the price we have to pay is law abiding gun owners lose thier guns, oh well.


Rifles are actually statistically the least likely guns to be used in crime and only account for ~400ish murders a year. By comparison pistols, which you want to leave alone, usually account for something like~8,000 or more.


And the positive uses of both STILL overwhelmingly outweigh the negatives.
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:18 am

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Catholic America wrote:
Now MANDATING I am not in favor of. I am in favor of encouraging that sort of stuff, because I am a true advocate of parental rights in education and not a hypocrite who only wants CRT to be banned and school prayer to stay. In fact, I am in favor of CRT and school prayer, but an opt out system too.


Parents shouldn't have a right in education.


Parents are the only ones who should.

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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:19 am

Catholic America wrote:Maybe some people have better things to do with their time besides learning useless information about the difference between automatic and semi automatic rifles. They should both be banned and consfiscated anyway.

Why are semi-automatic pistols ok, but semi-automatic rifles not?
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:21 am

Galloism wrote:
Catholic America wrote:Maybe some people have better things to do with their time besides learning useless information about the difference between automatic and semi automatic rifles. They should both be banned and consfiscated anyway.

Why are semi-automatic pistols ok, but semi-automatic rifles not?


Ask the Uvaldi sheriff. They couldn’t go in because they only had semi-automatic pistols….
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:23 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Galloism wrote:Why are semi-automatic pistols ok, but semi-automatic rifles not?


Ask the Uvaldi sheriff. They couldn’t go in because they only had semi-automatic pistols….

There's so much wrong with that situation I could write a dissertation, but the tl;dr is, they're fucking cowards and wouldn't have gone in if they had a literal tank.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:24 am

Catholic America wrote:
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A deeper spiritual connection with a higher being is a good thing.

But mandating prayer in schools is not doing that; it's forcing children to do things they may not want to do.


Now MANDATING I am not in favor of. I am in favor of encouraging that sort of stuff, because I am a true advocate of parental rights in education and not a hypocrite who only wants CRT to be banned and school prayer to stay. In fact, I am in favor of CRT and school prayer, but an opt out system too.


CRT distorts our history, just as bad as ignoring our history. I love America enough to see and celebrate the good it has brought, AND to see (and be ashamed) of the bad it has done.

Prayer in school is acceptable in school so long as all religions are acceptable. Unfortunately means freedom to adopt MY religion.. a good number of people seem to thing that freedom of religion. We see the same effect if freedom of speech.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:25 am

Galloism wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ask the Uvaldi sheriff. They couldn’t go in because they only had semi-automatic pistols….

There's so much wrong with that situation I could write a dissertation, but the tl;dr is, they're fucking cowards and wouldn't have gone in if they had a literal tank.


either that or they were ordered to stand down until they had a sufficiently useful body count.

I prefer you theory.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:28 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Galloism wrote:Why are semi-automatic pistols ok, but semi-automatic rifles not?


Ask the Uvaldi sheriff. They couldn’t go in because they only had semi-automatic pistols….

Not entirely true, there is a photo pulled from the school's security cameras and it shows 3 officers with ARs and a ballistic shield.
Officers at Uvalde had rifles, ballistic shield — but still waited an hour to enter classroom

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:30 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Catholic America wrote:
Now MANDATING I am not in favor of. I am in favor of encouraging that sort of stuff, because I am a true advocate of parental rights in education and not a hypocrite who only wants CRT to be banned and school prayer to stay. In fact, I am in favor of CRT and school prayer, but an opt out system too.


CRT distorts our history, just as bad as ignoring our history.


Distorts? How? The problem with ignoring history? Nobody is upset over that. Especially the anti-CRT types. Bad times in our history tend to be lightly discussed if at all. Where is the outrage?

I love America enough to see and celebrate the good it has brought, AND to see (and be ashamed) of the bad it has done.

Prayer in school is acceptable in school so long as all religions are acceptable. Unfortunately means freedom to adopt MY religion.. a good number of people seem to thing that freedom of religion. We see the same effect if freedom of speech.


Hmmmmmmm prayer is ok. Teacher led prayer is the issue.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:31 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ask the Uvaldi sheriff. They couldn’t go in because they only had semi-automatic pistols….

Not entirely true, there is a photo pulled from the school's security cameras and it shows 3 officers with ARs and a ballistic shield.
Officers at Uvalde had rifles, ballistic shield — but still waited an hour to enter classroom


Photographic evidence tends to override verbal claims.

It’s one of the many “facts” that man said……
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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