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Postby Mossadeghist Iran » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:58 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
One of their few virtues, if you ask me.

How is that a virtue?


Ideally, if there had been no Cold War, we'd have returned to our own side of the Pond and stayed there. Without a Cold War, we would do the same today.
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:00 am

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:How is that a virtue?


Ideally, if there had been no Cold War, we'd have returned to our own side of the Pond and stayed there. Without a Cold War, we would do the same today.

Isolationism just reduces our influence at the benefit of China
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Postby Mossadeghist Iran » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:01 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Ideally, if there had been no Cold War, we'd have returned to our own side of the Pond and stayed there. Without a Cold War, we would do the same today.

Isolationism just reduces our influence at the benefit of China


Only in their sphere of influence. We get our sphere, they get theirs, etc.
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:02 am

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Isolationism just reduces our influence at the benefit of China


Only in their sphere of influence. We get our sphere, they get theirs, etc.

no.
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Postby Diuhon » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:05 am

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Isolationism just reduces our influence at the benefit of China


Only in their sphere of influence. We get our sphere, they get theirs, etc.

you get heaven, they get hell, we just watch them like lazarus among the heavenly host grinning upon the damned below

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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:06 am

Diuhon wrote:
Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Only in their sphere of influence. We get our sphere, they get theirs, etc.

you get heaven, they get hell, we just watch them like lazarus among the heavenly host grinning upon the damned below

god's in your heaven
all's right with the world

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:18 am

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Umeria wrote:Republican politicians are not isolationist. Most of them are in favor of supporting Ukraine, and the handful who aren't want to focus on China instead.

Trumpers (most of the gop currently) are isolationist

Not me.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:20 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Trumpers (most of the gop currently) are isolationist

Not me.


Good for you. Too bad it’s taken the majority of the party.

I miss Nelson Rockefeller and I wasn’t even alive in that era.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:21 am

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:How is that a virtue?


Ideally, if there had been no Cold War, we'd have returned to our own side of the Pond and stayed there. Without a Cold War, we would do the same today.

Yes I too would like to labour under the oafs of Kremlin.
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:22 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Not me.


Good for you. Too bad it’s taken the majority of the party.

I miss Nelson Rockefeller and I wasn’t even alive in that era.


Its all george jrs fault
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:24 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Ideally, if there had been no Cold War, we'd have returned to our own side of the Pond and stayed there. Without a Cold War, we would do the same today.

Yes I too would like to labour under the oafs of Kremlin.


I mean Sweden would have been the first to fall in the event of such event.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:25 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yes I too would like to labour under the oafs of Kremlin.


I mean Sweden would have been the first to fall in the event of such event.

More seriously without the Marshall Aide post-war most of Europe would've gone over to Stalinism.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:26 am

Catholic America wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Good for you. Too bad it’s taken the majority of the party.

I miss Nelson Rockefeller and I wasn’t even alive in that era.


Its all george jrs fault


Technically it began with Barry Goldwater but didn’t really begin until Reagan.

Had the Republicans fully embraced Liberal Conservatism or an American version of Benjamin Disraeli’s One Nation Conservatism I might be a Republican.
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Postby Diuhon » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:26 am

Hispida wrote:
Diuhon wrote:you get heaven, they get hell, we just watch them like lazarus among the heavenly host grinning upon the damned below

god's in your heaven
all's right with the world

*snaps fingers* evalgenion!

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:26 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I mean Sweden would have been the first to fall in the event of such event.

More seriously without the Marshall Aide post-war most of Europe would've gone over to Stalinism.


Yes.
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:28 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Catholic America wrote:
Its all george jrs fault


Technically it began with Barry Goldwater but didn’t really begin until Reagan.

Had the Republicans fully embraced Liberal Conservatism or an American version of Benjamin Disraeli’s One Nation Conservatism I might be a Republican.

Bush Sr. was a liberal conservative though
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:29 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I mean Sweden would have been the first to fall in the event of such event.

More seriously without the Marshall Aide post-war most of Europe would've gone over to Stalinism.

and they are not grateful for it.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:30 am

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Technically it began with Barry Goldwater but didn’t really begin until Reagan.

Had the Republicans fully embraced Liberal Conservatism or an American version of Benjamin Disraeli’s One Nation Conservatism I might be a Republican.

Bush Sr. was a liberal conservative though


That’s nice. Now if only that was mainstream in the GOP today.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:30 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:More seriously without the Marshall Aide post-war most of Europe would've gone over to Stalinism.

and they are not grateful for it.

We are not your tributary states and you are not the Ming Dynasty.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:31 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:and they are not grateful for it.

We are not your tributary states and you are not the Ming Dynasty.


Why did you bring up the Ming Dynasty?
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:31 am

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:How is that a virtue?


Ideally, if there had been no Cold War, we'd have returned to our own side of the Pond and stayed there. Without a Cold War, we would do the same today.

we're getting somewhere
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:32 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:More seriously without the Marshall Aide post-war most of Europe would've gone over to Stalinism.

and they are not grateful for it.


Define "grateful". And without resorting to "well Trump said it so it must be true".
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Postby Mossadeghist Iran » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:32 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yes I too would like to labour under the oafs of Kremlin.


I mean Sweden would have been the first to fall in the event of such event.


Without a Cold War, that would not have been an issue. But since we and Stalin were enemies after the war, we had no choice but to do the Cold War. After it ended, though, it should have stayed over.
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:33 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:and they are not grateful for it.


Define "grateful". And without resorting to "well Trump said it so it must be true".

They don't pay the NATO 2%
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