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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 14, 2022 1:02 pm

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These laws regarding transgender “healthcare” for minors are eventually going to make it to the Supreme Court. I am unsure how Kavanaugh and Roberts are going to vote, but I am pretty certain how the other justices are going to vote.


Ah yes, the scare quotes. Because nothing says caring for kids like advocating for child abuse.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sat May 14, 2022 1:09 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
These laws regarding transgender “healthcare” for minors are eventually going to make it to the Supreme Court. I am unsure how Kavanaugh and Roberts are going to vote, but I am pretty certain how the other justices are going to vote.


Ah yes, the scare quotes. Because nothing says caring for kids like advocating for child abuse.


It’s child abuse to not allow them to go through natural puberty. Some of those drug used are also used to chemically castrate sex offenders
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat May 14, 2022 1:19 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Ah yes, the scare quotes. Because nothing says caring for kids like advocating for child abuse.


It’s child abuse to not allow them to go through natural puberty. Some of those drug used are also used to chemically castrate sex offenders


And most of chemo is literally poison. Is it child abuse to treat kids with cancer?

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Postby Mettaton-EX » Sat May 14, 2022 1:21 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:Some of those drug used are also used to chemically castrate sex offenders

guess we gotta ban hormonal birth control now
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sat May 14, 2022 1:29 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
It’s child abuse to not allow them to go through natural puberty. Some of those drug used are also used to chemically castrate sex offenders


And most of chemo is literally poison. Is it child abuse to treat kids with cancer?


Having cancer ≠ having gender dysphoria.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 14, 2022 1:33 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Ah yes, the scare quotes. Because nothing says caring for kids like advocating for child abuse.


It’s child abuse to not allow them to go through natural puberty. Some of those drug used are also used to chemically castrate sex offenders


Remember, respecting a child's identity and supporting them is abusive now, and forcibly suppressing their identity is the right thing to do.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat May 14, 2022 1:38 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
And most of chemo is literally poison. Is it child abuse to treat kids with cancer?


Having cancer ≠ having gender dysphoria.


Then how do you purpose we treat gender dysphoria?

This might not be the thread.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat May 14, 2022 1:42 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
Having cancer ≠ having gender dysphoria.


Then how do you purpose we treat gender dysphoria?

How do you treat any other disease or disorder? Early discovery and early measures. You don't go waiting 18 years on people you know have cancer before giving them treatment.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sat May 14, 2022 2:02 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
Having cancer ≠ having gender dysphoria.


Then how do you purpose we treat gender dysphoria?

This might not be the thread.


Right. So, to get back on those laws going to SCOUTS, I definitely think we’re getting a 5-4 decision. If both Kavanaugh and Roberts both vote to strike these laws down, I would be extremely surprised
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sat May 14, 2022 2:07 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Then how do you purpose we treat gender dysphoria?

How do you treat any other disease or disorder? Early discovery and early measures. You don't go waiting 18 years on people you know have cancer before giving them treatment.


We don’t cure cancer by encouraging it to spread. Just like cancer, early intervention of gender dysphoria can be very helpful. I have to heavily edit my opinion in order to keep in line with the rules of this site. And no, my opinion doesn’t involve physical or emotional violence.

This topic is more appropriate for the trans thread
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 14, 2022 2:09 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:How do you treat any other disease or disorder? Early discovery and early measures. You don't go waiting 18 years on people you know have cancer before giving them treatment.


We don’t cure cancer by encouraging it to spread. Just like cancer, early intervention of gender dysphoria can be very helpful. I have to heavily edit my opinion in order to keep in line with the rules of this site. And no, my opinion doesn’t involve physical or emotional violence.

This topic is more appointments for the trans thread


Remember, forcibly suppressing a child's identity isn't emotional violence.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sat May 14, 2022 2:13 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
We don’t cure cancer by encouraging it to spread. Just like cancer, early intervention of gender dysphoria can be very helpful. I have to heavily edit my opinion in order to keep in line with the rules of this site. And no, my opinion doesn’t involve physical or emotional violence.

This topic is more appointments for the trans thread


Remember, forcibly suppressing a child's identity isn't emotional violence.


This topic is more appropriate for the trans thread.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 14, 2022 2:18 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, forcibly suppressing a child's identity isn't emotional violence.


This topic is more appropriate for the trans thread.


We're discussing the decsion of a US Court in the US Politics thread.
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Postby Heloin » Sat May 14, 2022 2:19 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, forcibly suppressing a child's identity isn't emotional violence.


This topic is more appropriate for the trans thread.

Don’t bring up your support for abusing trans children and scream “wrong thread” then.

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sat May 14, 2022 2:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
This topic is more appropriate for the trans thread.


We're discussing the decsion of a US Court in the US Politics thread.


As I said before, this is going to most likely be a 5-4 in favor of letting these laws stand. I have Kavanaugh as likely to let the law stand. Roberts is my wildcard. The rest of the Justices are locked in on their decisions
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 14, 2022 3:03 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:


These laws regarding transgender “healthcare” for minors are eventually going to make it to the Supreme Court. I am unsure how Kavanaugh and Roberts are going to vote, but I am pretty certain how the other justices are going to vote.

Clearly the current thinking of the court is that state governments have the power to dictate the medical decisions of their citizens.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 14, 2022 3:05 pm

Also we've got another White supremacist terrorist attack.

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — A gunman wearing military-style clothing and body armor opened fire with a rifle at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York, killing at least 10 people before being taken into custody Saturday afternoon, law enforcement officials told The Associated Press.

Details on the number of additional people shot at the Tops Friendly Market and their conditions weren’t immediately available. The two officials were not permitted to speak publicly on the matter and did so on the condition of anonymity. The suspect was being questioned Saturday evening by the FBI, one of the officials said.

Investigators believe the gunman may have been streaming the shooting through a camera affixed to his helmet, one of the officials said. The video showed the gunman, dressed in military gear, pulling up to the front of the store with a rifle on the front seat and then pointing the rifle at people in the parking lot as he exited the vehicle and opening fire, the official said.

It also shows the suspect walking into the supermarket and shooting several other victims inside, the official said. One of the victims was a recently retired police officer who was working as a security guard at the store, according to the official.

One of the officials cautioned the investigation was in its preliminary stages and that authorities hadn’t yet discerned a clear motive, but were investigating whether the shooting was racially motivated.

The supermarket is in a predominately Black neighborhood, about 3 miles (5 kilometers) north of downtown Buffalo. The surrounding area is primarily residential, with a Family Dollar store and fire station near the store.

Buffalo police confirmed the shooter was in custody in a tweet, but did not identify the suspect. Police officials did not immediately respond to messages from the AP seeking comment.

Witnesses reported the gunman was wearing military-style clothing in addition to the body armor, one of the officials said

Braedyn Kephart and Shane Hill, both 20, pulled into the parking lot just as the shooter was exiting. They described him as a white male in his late teens or early twenties sporting full camo, a black helmet and what appeared to be a rifle.


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A man has opened fire at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York while live-streaming on Twitch, killing at least 10 people and injuring several others, local officials and witnesses say. He also posted an online manifesto in which he described himself as a white supremacist.

The incident began on early Saturday afternoon when police were called for an active shooter at Tops Markets at 1275 Jefferson Avenue in Buffalo. Upon arrival, officers found victims both inside and outside the supermarket.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat May 14, 2022 3:28 pm

Vassenor wrote:Also we've got another White supremacist terrorist attack.

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — A gunman wearing military-style clothing and body armor opened fire with a rifle at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York, killing at least 10 people before being taken into custody Saturday afternoon, law enforcement officials told The Associated Press.

Details on the number of additional people shot at the Tops Friendly Market and their conditions weren’t immediately available. The two officials were not permitted to speak publicly on the matter and did so on the condition of anonymity. The suspect was being questioned Saturday evening by the FBI, one of the officials said.

Investigators believe the gunman may have been streaming the shooting through a camera affixed to his helmet, one of the officials said. The video showed the gunman, dressed in military gear, pulling up to the front of the store with a rifle on the front seat and then pointing the rifle at people in the parking lot as he exited the vehicle and opening fire, the official said.

It also shows the suspect walking into the supermarket and shooting several other victims inside, the official said. One of the victims was a recently retired police officer who was working as a security guard at the store, according to the official.

One of the officials cautioned the investigation was in its preliminary stages and that authorities hadn’t yet discerned a clear motive, but were investigating whether the shooting was racially motivated.

The supermarket is in a predominately Black neighborhood, about 3 miles (5 kilometers) north of downtown Buffalo. The surrounding area is primarily residential, with a Family Dollar store and fire station near the store.

Buffalo police confirmed the shooter was in custody in a tweet, but did not identify the suspect. Police officials did not immediately respond to messages from the AP seeking comment.

Witnesses reported the gunman was wearing military-style clothing in addition to the body armor, one of the officials said

Braedyn Kephart and Shane Hill, both 20, pulled into the parking lot just as the shooter was exiting. They described him as a white male in his late teens or early twenties sporting full camo, a black helmet and what appeared to be a rifle.


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A man has opened fire at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York while live-streaming on Twitch, killing at least 10 people and injuring several others, local officials and witnesses say. He also posted an online manifesto in which he described himself as a white supremacist.

The incident began on early Saturday afternoon when police were called for an active shooter at Tops Markets at 1275 Jefferson Avenue in Buffalo. Upon arrival, officers found victims both inside and outside the supermarket.


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Postby American Legionaries » Sat May 14, 2022 3:39 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
These laws regarding transgender “healthcare” for minors are eventually going to make it to the Supreme Court. I am unsure how Kavanaugh and Roberts are going to vote, but I am pretty certain how the other justices are going to vote.

Clearly the current thinking of the court is that state governments have the power to dictate the medical decisions of their citizens.


They always have, remember?

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Postby American Legionaries » Sat May 14, 2022 3:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:Also we've got another White supremacist terrorist attack.

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — A gunman wearing military-style clothing and body armor opened fire with a rifle at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York, killing at least 10 people before being taken into custody Saturday afternoon, law enforcement officials told The Associated Press.

Details on the number of additional people shot at the Tops Friendly Market and their conditions weren’t immediately available. The two officials were not permitted to speak publicly on the matter and did so on the condition of anonymity. The suspect was being questioned Saturday evening by the FBI, one of the officials said.

Investigators believe the gunman may have been streaming the shooting through a camera affixed to his helmet, one of the officials said. The video showed the gunman, dressed in military gear, pulling up to the front of the store with a rifle on the front seat and then pointing the rifle at people in the parking lot as he exited the vehicle and opening fire, the official said.

It also shows the suspect walking into the supermarket and shooting several other victims inside, the official said. One of the victims was a recently retired police officer who was working as a security guard at the store, according to the official.

One of the officials cautioned the investigation was in its preliminary stages and that authorities hadn’t yet discerned a clear motive, but were investigating whether the shooting was racially motivated.

The supermarket is in a predominately Black neighborhood, about 3 miles (5 kilometers) north of downtown Buffalo. The surrounding area is primarily residential, with a Family Dollar store and fire station near the store.

Buffalo police confirmed the shooter was in custody in a tweet, but did not identify the suspect. Police officials did not immediately respond to messages from the AP seeking comment.

Witnesses reported the gunman was wearing military-style clothing in addition to the body armor, one of the officials said

Braedyn Kephart and Shane Hill, both 20, pulled into the parking lot just as the shooter was exiting. They described him as a white male in his late teens or early twenties sporting full camo, a black helmet and what appeared to be a rifle.


Alternative Source

A man has opened fire at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York while live-streaming on Twitch, killing at least 10 people and injuring several others, local officials and witnesses say. He also posted an online manifesto in which he described himself as a white supremacist.

The incident began on early Saturday afternoon when police were called for an active shooter at Tops Markets at 1275 Jefferson Avenue in Buffalo. Upon arrival, officers found victims both inside and outside the supermarket.


The FBI: One of the officials cautioned the investigation was in its preliminary stages and that authorities hadn’t yet discerned a clear motive.

Vass: White supremacist!

Stay classy, my dude.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 14, 2022 3:45 pm

American Legionaries wrote:


The FBI: One of the officials cautioned the investigation was in its preliminary stages and that authorities hadn’t yet discerned a clear motive.

Vass: White supremacist!

Stay classy, my dude.

Posted an online manifesto in which he described himself as a white supremacist. But I suppose if one has enough trust and faith in the feds then their say-so would override that.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 14, 2022 3:45 pm

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The FBI: One of the officials cautioned the investigation was in its preliminary stages and that authorities hadn’t yet discerned a clear motive.

Vass: White supremacist!

Stay classy, my dude.


The manifesto is already out there, he directly says he did it because he got radicalized by /pol/ and wants to inspire white people into a race war by causing further gun control to be implemented.
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Postby American Legionaries » Sat May 14, 2022 3:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
The FBI: One of the officials cautioned the investigation was in its preliminary stages and that authorities hadn’t yet discerned a clear motive.

Vass: White supremacist!

Stay classy, my dude.


The manifesto is already out there, he directly says he did it because he got radicalized by /pol/ and wants to inspire white people into a race war by causing further gun control to be implemented.


Prolly would have been a solid idea to have mentioned that.

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sat May 14, 2022 3:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
The FBI: One of the officials cautioned the investigation was in its preliminary stages and that authorities hadn’t yet discerned a clear motive.

Vass: White supremacist!

Stay classy, my dude.


The manifesto is already out there, he directly says he did it because he got radicalized by /pol/ and wants to inspire white people into a race war by causing further gun control to be implemented.



This is why I call /pol/ degeneracy…
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat May 14, 2022 3:48 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The manifesto is already out there, he directly says he did it because he got radicalized by /pol/ and wants to inspire white people into a race war by causing further gun control to be implemented.



This is why I call /pol/ degeneracy…


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