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Postby Zurkerx » Sat May 14, 2022 7:09 am

San Lumen wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna28859

Trump endorses Mastriano in Pennsylvania GOP governor's race
The move comes days before a Tuesday primary where Mastriano, a state senator who embraced Trump's stolen election lie, has solidified himself as the leading candidate.


That will probably but all ensure he wins, and give Democrats their biggest shot of winning in PA. Hell, they probably can tie Mastriano to other State Representatives to try to get more seats- force them to either embrace Mastriano or risk losing some MAGA supporters. They would be wise to: in PA, the Governor appoints the Sec. of State so given Mastriano's open views on stolen elections, they better throw everything they got.

Speaking of trying to win, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, and Raphael Warnock want Biden to hold tight on any executive action on student loan debt until they can press him one last time to go bigger. Biden has ruled out $50,000 canceled debt but has been considering forgiving $10,000. The push may yield something larger than $10K but less that $50K. It could especially help Warnock, a key seat though no meeting has been set and action wouldn't probably come until later (like August/September) due to 1.) not anger some centrist Democrats on possible climate change/tax bill and 2.) keep it fresh in people's minds.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 14, 2022 7:46 am

Zurkerx wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna28859

Trump endorses Mastriano in Pennsylvania GOP governor's race
The move comes days before a Tuesday primary where Mastriano, a state senator who embraced Trump's stolen election lie, has solidified himself as the leading candidate.


That will probably but all ensure he wins, and give Democrats their biggest shot of winning in PA. Hell, they probably can tie Mastriano to other State Representatives to try to get more seats- force them to either embrace Mastriano or risk losing some MAGA supporters. They would be wise to: in PA, the Governor appoints the Sec. of State so given Mastriano's open views on stolen elections, they better throw everything they got.

Speaking of trying to win, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, and Raphael Warnock want Biden to hold tight on any executive action on student loan debt until they can press him one last time to go bigger. Biden has ruled out $50,000 canceled debt but has been considering forgiving $10,000. The push may yield something larger than $10K but less that $50K. It could especially help Warnock, a key seat though no meeting has been set and action wouldn't probably come until later (like August/September) due to 1.) not anger some centrist Democrats on possible climate change/tax bill and 2.) keep it fresh in people's minds.

Super cool that Biden has to be bullied into doing something good for Americans, and even then insists on doing the least amount of good possible.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat May 14, 2022 7:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
That will probably but all ensure he wins, and give Democrats their biggest shot of winning in PA. Hell, they probably can tie Mastriano to other State Representatives to try to get more seats- force them to either embrace Mastriano or risk losing some MAGA supporters. They would be wise to: in PA, the Governor appoints the Sec. of State so given Mastriano's open views on stolen elections, they better throw everything they got.

Speaking of trying to win, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, and Raphael Warnock want Biden to hold tight on any executive action on student loan debt until they can press him one last time to go bigger. Biden has ruled out $50,000 canceled debt but has been considering forgiving $10,000. The push may yield something larger than $10K but less that $50K. It could especially help Warnock, a key seat though no meeting has been set and action wouldn't probably come until later (like August/September) due to 1.) not anger some centrist Democrats on possible climate change/tax bill and 2.) keep it fresh in people's minds.

Super cool that Biden has to be bullied into doing something good for Americans, and even then insists on doing the least amount of good possible.


Someone please tell me why I got the gut feeling to vote for him…
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 14, 2022 7:55 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Super cool that Biden has to be bullied into doing something good for Americans, and even then insists on doing the least amount of good possible.


Someone please tell me why I got the gut feeling to vote for him…

The alternative will probably be worse.
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Postby Luna Amore » Sat May 14, 2022 8:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
That will probably but all ensure he wins, and give Democrats their biggest shot of winning in PA. Hell, they probably can tie Mastriano to other State Representatives to try to get more seats- force them to either embrace Mastriano or risk losing some MAGA supporters. They would be wise to: in PA, the Governor appoints the Sec. of State so given Mastriano's open views on stolen elections, they better throw everything they got.

Speaking of trying to win, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, and Raphael Warnock want Biden to hold tight on any executive action on student loan debt until they can press him one last time to go bigger. Biden has ruled out $50,000 canceled debt but has been considering forgiving $10,000. The push may yield something larger than $10K but less that $50K. It could especially help Warnock, a key seat though no meeting has been set and action wouldn't probably come until later (like August/September) due to 1.) not anger some centrist Democrats on possible climate change/tax bill and 2.) keep it fresh in people's minds.

Super cool that Biden has to be bullied into doing something good for Americans, and even then insists on doing the least amount of good possible.

It would raise inflation, so that's likely to give him pause now considering the current state of affairs.

It doesn't solve one underlying roots of the issue which is that you can't escape student loan debt through bankruptcy, nor does it help the new student loans that will start accumulating after he wipes the slate. I think it'd be much more palatable if it were presented as a full solution instead of a onetime magic number fix.

I say this as someone who would absolutely benefit from it.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat May 14, 2022 8:17 am

Luna Amore wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Super cool that Biden has to be bullied into doing something good for Americans, and even then insists on doing the least amount of good possible.

It would raise inflation, so that's likely to give him pause now considering the current state of affairs.

It doesn't solve one underlying roots of the issue which is that you can't escape student loan debt through bankruptcy, nor does it help the new student loans that will start accumulating after he wipes the slate. I think it'd be much more palatable if it were presented as a full solution instead of a onetime magic number fix.

I say this as someone who would absolutely benefit from it.


This^

Canceling debt is one thing but it doesn’t prevent it from happening again in the future. Cancelling debt and making college tuition free along with making essential resources more affordable for your average student would be an even better solution.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 14, 2022 8:20 am

Luna Amore wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Super cool that Biden has to be bullied into doing something good for Americans, and even then insists on doing the least amount of good possible.

It would raise inflation, so that's likely to give him pause now considering the current state of affairs.

Rising inflation and debt relief or rising inflation and no debt relief.

It doesn't solve one underlying roots of the issue which is that you can't escape student loan debt through bankruptcy, nor does it help the new student loans that will start accumulating after he wipes the slate. I think it'd be much more palatable if it were presented as a full solution instead of a onetime magic number fix.

I say this as someone who would absolutely benefit from it.

Palatable to who? Because I don't think Biden's any more interested in solving the problem of student debt than he is in helping people out with debt relief now.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat May 14, 2022 8:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:It would raise inflation, so that's likely to give him pause now considering the current state of affairs.

Rising inflation and debt relief or rising inflation and no debt relief.

It doesn't solve one underlying roots of the issue which is that you can't escape student loan debt through bankruptcy, nor does it help the new student loans that will start accumulating after he wipes the slate. I think it'd be much more palatable if it were presented as a full solution instead of a onetime magic number fix.

I say this as someone who would absolutely benefit from it.

Palatable to who? Because I don't think Biden's any more interested in solving the problem of student debt than he is in helping people out with debt relief now.


Well if he embraced Bernie Sanders’ Free College For All he could. But that would require him calling himself a Social Democrat and not a centrist. (Though Social Democracy is centrism)
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Postby Antipatros » Sat May 14, 2022 8:26 am

Luna Amore wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Super cool that Biden has to be bullied into doing something good for Americans, and even then insists on doing the least amount of good possible.

It would raise inflation, so that's likely to give him pause now considering the current state of affairs.

It doesn't solve one underlying roots of the issue which is that you can't escape student loan debt through bankruptcy, nor does it help the new student loans that will start accumulating after he wipes the slate. I think it'd be much more palatable if it were presented as a full solution instead of a onetime magic number fix.

I say this as someone who would absolutely benefit from it.

One thing he should do is suspend the Trump tariffs, at least temporarily. That would provide some price relief to consumers.

I think that political considerations (backlash from unions/blue collar industrial worker types) are holding him back here, though.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 14, 2022 8:41 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Rising inflation and debt relief or rising inflation and no debt relief.


Palatable to who? Because I don't think Biden's any more interested in solving the problem of student debt than he is in helping people out with debt relief now.


Well if he embraced Bernie Sanders’ Free College For All he could. But that would require him calling himself a Social Democrat and not a centrist. (Though Social Democracy is centrism)

If Biden had different beliefs then he would have different beliefs, yes.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat May 14, 2022 8:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Well if he embraced Bernie Sanders’ Free College For All he could. But that would require him calling himself a Social Democrat and not a centrist. (Though Social Democracy is centrism)

If Biden had different beliefs then he would have different beliefs, yes.


Well perhaps if some of his advisors or someone could simply tell him he isn’t fundamentally changing the status quo by making college free and reducing prices then maybe he could and perhaps even trick Manchinema.

Oh what am I saying that would require a miracle.
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Postby Frisemark » Sat May 14, 2022 9:27 am

Luna Amore wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Super cool that Biden has to be bullied into doing something good for Americans, and even then insists on doing the least amount of good possible.

It would raise inflation, so that's likely to give him pause now considering the current state of affairs.

It doesn't solve one underlying roots of the issue which is that you can't escape student loan debt through bankruptcy, nor does it help the new student loans that will start accumulating after he wipes the slate. I think it'd be much more palatable if it were presented as a full solution instead of a onetime magic number fix.

I say this as someone who would absolutely benefit from it.


The issue with student loans is the tuition rates and fees. We can excuse student loans all we want, but that just creates a bigger issue down the line.

We can put in more federal financial aid, but then colleges just raise tuition.

Also, you know, there’s the whole “disproportionately good for already privileged and wealthy college students versus those from lower income households” that forgiving loans would be.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 14, 2022 9:38 am

Frisemark wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:It would raise inflation, so that's likely to give him pause now considering the current state of affairs.

It doesn't solve one underlying roots of the issue which is that you can't escape student loan debt through bankruptcy, nor does it help the new student loans that will start accumulating after he wipes the slate. I think it'd be much more palatable if it were presented as a full solution instead of a onetime magic number fix.

I say this as someone who would absolutely benefit from it.


The issue with student loans is the tuition rates and fees. We can excuse student loans all we want, but that just creates a bigger issue down the line.

We can put in more federal financial aid, but then colleges just raise tuition.

Also, you know, there’s the whole “disproportionately good for already privileged and wealthy college students versus those from lower income households” that forgiving loans would be.

Don't know how we're measuring benefit if debt relief is considered a greater benefit for those who would easily be able to pay off the debt than for those who would struggle or fail entirely to pay it off.
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Postby Forsher » Sat May 14, 2022 9:44 am

Celritannia wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
We could elect them… or we just let the American Bar Association do it all for us.

Electing Justices is a bad thing, then they become even more politicised.

Just have the lower courts appoint the federal Justices. The UK Supreme Court is appointed independently.


US SCOTUS justices aren't meant to be just judges. Yes no-one actually nominates, for example, plumbers but they're, in some sense, meant to.
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Postby Eahland » Sat May 14, 2022 9:58 am

Forsher wrote:
Celritannia wrote:Electing Justices is a bad thing, then they become even more politicised.

Just have the lower courts appoint the federal Justices. The UK Supreme Court is appointed independently.


US SCOTUS justices aren't meant to be just judges. Yes no-one actually nominates, for example, plumbers but they're, in some sense, meant to.

Given that that's never, ever been how it worked, I question your definition of "meant to".
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Postby Forsher » Sat May 14, 2022 10:08 am

Eahland wrote:
Forsher wrote:
US SCOTUS justices aren't meant to be just judges. Yes no-one actually nominates, for example, plumbers but they're, in some sense, meant to.

Given that that's never, ever been how it worked, I question your definition of "meant to".


If you want just legally trained people or just promoted judges, you're going to restrict the role to those kinds of people.

If you want it to be broadly open to anyone, you're going to not impose any qualifications. Which is what actually happened.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat May 14, 2022 10:15 am

Eahland wrote:
Forsher wrote:
US SCOTUS justices aren't meant to be just judges. Yes no-one actually nominates, for example, plumbers but they're, in some sense, meant to.

Given that that's never, ever been how it worked, I question your definition of "meant to".


It kinda has been how it's worked lots of times. Including under Washington.

https://supreme.findlaw.com/supreme_cou ... orexp.html
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat May 14, 2022 10:21 am



The story below it is even worse news.

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Postby Antipatros » Sat May 14, 2022 10:22 am

Fartsniffage wrote:


The story below it is even worse news.

The India export ban? Yeah it's horrible. That heat wave came at the worst possible time.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat May 14, 2022 10:29 am

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Postby American Legionaries » Sat May 14, 2022 11:13 am

Luna Amore wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Super cool that Biden has to be bullied into doing something good for Americans, and even then insists on doing the least amount of good possible.

It would raise inflation, so that's likely to give him pause now considering the current state of affairs.

It doesn't solve one underlying roots of the issue which is that you can't escape student loan debt through bankruptcy, nor does it help the new student loans that will start accumulating after he wipes the slate. I think it'd be much more palatable if it were presented as a full solution instead of a onetime magic number fix.

I say this as someone who would absolutely benefit from it.


They should increase the grant values so people need to borrow less, and the. Retroactively apply the difference to students still in debt.

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Postby Kowani » Sat May 14, 2022 12:21 pm

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sat May 14, 2022 1:02 pm



These laws regarding transgender “healthcare” for minors are eventually going to make it to the Supreme Court. I am unsure how Kavanaugh and Roberts are going to vote, but I am pretty certain how the other justices are going to vote.
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