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Prima Scriptura wrote:

American Legionaries wrote:
Pragmatic actions aren't mutually exclusive to idealist beliefs.

I respectfully but strongly disagree. Chasing the ideal can cause more harm than good. We Americans have to realize that we can’t get 100% of what we want a 100% of the time. We are a liberal democracy, we are going to have different viewpoints on what the ideal society is.

The inability to acquire an ideal government doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

American Legionaries wrote:Pragmatic actions aren't mutually exclusive to idealist beliefs.

I respectfully but strongly disagree. Chasing the ideal can cause more harm than good. We Americans have to realize that we can’t get 100% of what we want a 100% of the time. We are a liberal democracy, we are going to have different viewpoints on what the ideal society is.

If you start a negotiation with the compromise position, you end up with next to nothing. The way to make improvements is to start with an "unreasonable" demand and end up with something substative.

American Legionaries wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:
I respectfully but strongly disagree. Chasing the ideal can cause more harm than good. We Americans have to realize that we can’t get 100% of what we want a 100% of the time. We are a liberal democracy, we are going to have different viewpoints on what the ideal society is.

The inability to acquire an ideal government doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it.

As a Christian, I believe that is only achievable when Jesus comes back…

The “ideal government” means very different things to many different types of people. America is not a hive mind.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

American Legionaries wrote:
The inability to acquire an ideal government doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it.

As a Christian, I believe that is only achievable when Jesus comes back…

The “ideal government” means very different things to many different types of people. America is not a hive mind.

Okay, and? People disagree, that's not really new.

American Legionaries wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:
As a Christian, I believe that is only achievable when Jesus comes back…

The “ideal government” means very different things to many different types of people. America is not a hive mind.

Okay, and? People disagree, that's not really new.

My point is that how can we get the prefect ideal government when we have such strong disagreements.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

American Legionaries wrote:
Okay, and? People disagree, that's not really new.

My point is that how can we get the prefect ideal government when we have such strong disagreements.

Well it won't be ideal for everyone, but that's impossible. We should each of us strive for our own ideal.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Umeria wrote:True on both counts unfortunately. I wish the government was effective and uncorrupted enough to actually take care of these things.

That requires electing pragmatists. Unfortunately, not enough Americans don’t care or view pragmatism as being weak. That feeling is on both the left and the right.

"Pragmatic" politicians are invariably the worst kinds of neoliberal warhawk centrists.

Bear Stearns wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:
That requires electing pragmatists. Unfortunately, not enough Americans don’t care or view pragmatism as being weak. That feeling is on both the left and the right.

"Pragmatic" politicians are invariably the worst kinds of neoliberal warhawk centrists.

Oh, hi Bear! How’s your day treating you?

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:
"Pragmatic" politicians are invariably the worst kinds of neoliberal warhawk centrists.

Oh, hi Bear! How’s your day treating you?

Bear Stearns wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Oh, hi Bear! How’s your day treating you?

1. I’m laughing because it’s typical you.

2. It’s called being friendly, Bear.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:

1. I’m laughing because it’s typical you.

2. It’s called being friendly, Bear.

yuh

American Legionaries wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:
My point is that how can we get the prefect ideal government when we have such strong disagreements.

Well it won't be ideal for everyone, but that's impossible. We should each of us strive for our own ideal.

Well, my ideal is a government based on the old school right-wing Christian Democracy or paternalistic conservatism. But I live in the U,S, which makes me 1 in 332,278,200. So, I’ve leaned that you can’t always get what we want, and I’d settle for B- or a C+ grade of what I view as an ideal government

im only voting for a politician if they are a fan of the dallas cowboys

Free Algerstonia wrote:im only voting for a politician if they are a fan of the dallas cowboys

I guess you’re voting for politicians from Texas

Free Algerstonia wrote:im only voting for a politician if they are a fan of the dallas cowboys

then you voted for george bush

funnily enough, donald trump is a buffalo bills fan

Bear Stearns wrote:

Free Algerstonia wrote:im only voting for a politician if they are a fan of the dallas cowboys

then you voted for george bush

funnily enough, donald trump is a buffalo bills fan

I’m a Green Bay fan. Which makes me the heel at watch parties.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:
then you voted for george bush

funnily enough, donald trump is a buffalo bills fan

I’m a Green Bay fan. Which makes me the heel at watch parties.

for fuck's sake of course you are. i'm a bears fan

Sordhau wrote:

Moscareinas wrote:you guys put trump in power

Tbqh the Dems share partial blame for the first and have done the other three themselves so...

Nah, the framers elected Trump. The framers and the FBI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlC0yEH1uUc#t=25s

Free Algerstonia wrote:im only voting for a politician if they are a fan of the dallas cowboys

It is thought British political figures claim to be Aston Villa fans specifically so they don't lose votes by offending rival fanbases of the more relevant soccer clubs.

Bear Stearns wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:
I’m a Green Bay fan. Which makes me the heel at watch parties.

for fuck's sake of course you are. i'm a bears fan

It’s okay to be a Bears fan. It’s okay to be a Packer fan.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:
for fuck's sake of course you are. i'm a bears fan

It’s okay to be a Bears fan. It’s okay to be a Packer fan.

I don't think we ought to normalize liking the Bears.

The Jamesian Republic wrote:

Celritannia wrote:
The US really needs to find a far better alternative to appointing federal justices.

We could elect them… or we just let the American Bar Association do it all for us.

Electing Justices is a bad thing, then they become even more politicised.

Just have the lower courts appoint the federal Justices. The UK Supreme Court is appointed independently.

https://www.kcra.com/article/california ... n/39992695

California Governor Newsom says state's budget surplus soars to record $97.5 billion

Moscareinas wrote:beset by criticism on her proposal to deprive migrant babies of their milk formula, dipshit gop rep doubles down, calling critics "pedo grifters"

Pretty crazy that "everyone I don't like is a child rapist" is an acceptable position in American politics.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna28859

Trump endorses Mastriano in Pennsylvania GOP governor's race
The move comes days before a Tuesday primary where Mastriano, a state senator who embraced Trump's stolen election lie, has solidified himself as the leading candidate.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:
then you voted for george bush

funnily enough, donald trump is a buffalo bills fan

I’m a Green Bay fan. Which makes me the heel at watch parties.

I like Kansas City.