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American Legionaries wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
I never said that.

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
that is your opinion, and regardless it wasn't the point. If you're trying to get people to care about the things you care about, ridiculing them for the things they care about is going to have the exact opposite effect.

Leftists seem to have difficulty in this.

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:

American Legionaries wrote:
So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

you forgot to add these:

Democrats are socialist
Democrats are trying to destroy America
Democrats are promoting racist ideas
Democrats are trying to kill children

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
well that knife cuts both ways

I could agree, but i think the modern left considers civil nationalism or “the melting pot” standard is “racist/etc.

Kannap wrote:Ah, new thread smell *deep sniff* mmmmm smells just like the landfill full of shit that is America.

San Lumen wrote:
Do you enjoy dodging with stupid nonsense as opposed to directly answering a question?

Obligatory "ironic"

Umeria wrote:

American Legionaries wrote:Prim said leftists, not the government.

And I assumed he was talking about American leftists, my bad I guess

The Black Forrest wrote:

Umeria wrote:And I assumed he was talking about American leftists, my bad I guess

Hmmmm. Not really in a sense. People who work in intelligence have different sets of politic views. The mind set was mainly keeping the country safe, etc. Now in the last few years?….Trump really did interject politics into that arena. Two guys I worked with and stayed in contact over the years. Took early retirement. One wouldn’t say why and the other said there were things I was asked to do; I found unacceptable. Our intelligence machine has taken a hit.

Umeria wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:Hmmmm. Not really in a sense. People who work in intelligence have different sets of politic views. The mind set was mainly keeping the country safe, etc. Now in the last few years?….Trump really did interject politics into that arena. Two guys I worked with and stayed in contact over the years. Took early retirement. One wouldn’t say why and the other said there were things I was asked to do; I found unacceptable. Our intelligence machine has taken a hit.

I assure you that these institutions were already extremely political. Perhaps Trump was too extreme for them (my guess is he was just too overt), but that doesn't mean they were benevolent honest actors before him.

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:

American Legionaries wrote:
So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

you forgot to add these:

Democrats are socialist
Democrats are trying to destroy America
Democrats are promoting racist ideas
Democrats are trying to kill children

Senkaku wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Lol. Assassinations aren’t anything new. All that would happen is that we’d re-experience the 60s and 70s.

Assassinations aren't new, but targeted mass assassination of local officials of the kind I'm talking about (government by assassination) hasn't been seen since like, Reconstruction, or maybe the heyday of the Chicago Outfit, and I expect it would be accompanied by a very 60s/70s US/20s/30s Japan targeting of higher officials as well. This would be a nationwide phenomenon, too; with modern communication and nationalized politics it wouldn't be constrained to one region. Obviously I'm not going to panic just because one or two Kennedys gets whacked, but I'm talking about the potential here for something much more menacingly Colombianized.

Besides leaving the US instead of trying and fighting for the survival of the US is the mark of a coward. If you truly believe that these people are trying to take over the US then deciding to leave when they attempt to do so let’s them win and makes you seem like someone who never cared in the first place

Ok, so I'm a coward then. If you can't see that they've already won, I don't really know what to tell you-- if immortal Thetis offered me a long and peaceful life of obscurity or a glorious death, I'd pick the former without hesitation, and it's not like I'm getting offers for the second thing anyways. I'm not history's main character, there's no obligation for me to try and go on some quixotic hero's journey that ruins my life and eventually gets me killed when I could be having a relatively much more pleasant and peaceful life somewhere overseas.

American Legionaries wrote:

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
you forgot to add these:

Democrats are socialist
Democrats are trying to destroy America
Democrats are promoting racist ideas
Democrats are trying to kill children

Some of them call themselves this.
Opinions aren't lies.
They are.
If you mean in the context of abortion, they are.

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:

American Legionaries wrote:
Some of them call themselves this.
Opinions aren't lies.
They are.
If you mean in the context of abortion, they are.

assigning that to the party or its supporters in general doesn’t make sense, though.
obviously the Democrats aren’t intentionally trying to destroy the country
lol
a fetus is not a child.

Port Caverton wrote:

Senkaku wrote:Assassinations aren't new, but targeted mass assassination of local officials of the kind I'm talking about (government by assassination) hasn't been seen since like, Reconstruction, or maybe the heyday of the Chicago Outfit, and I expect it would be accompanied by a very 60s/70s US/20s/30s Japan targeting of higher officials as well. This would be a nationwide phenomenon, too; with modern communication and nationalized politics it wouldn't be constrained to one region. Obviously I'm not going to panic just because one or two Kennedys gets whacked, but I'm talking about the potential here for something much more menacingly Colombianized.

Ok, so I'm a coward then. If you can't see that they've already won, I don't really know what to tell you-- if immortal Thetis offered me a long and peaceful life of obscurity or a glorious death, I'd pick the former without hesitation, and it's not like I'm getting offers for the second thing anyways. I'm not history's main character, there's no obligation for me to try and go on some quixotic hero's journey that ruins my life and eventually gets me killed when I could be having a relatively much more pleasant and peaceful life somewhere overseas.

If they would have won already you would not be writing a comment like this on the internet

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:

American Legionaries wrote:
Some of them call themselves this.
Opinions aren't lies.
They are.
If you mean in the context of abortion, they are.

assigning that to the party or its supporters in general doesn’t make sense, though.
obviously the Democrats aren’t intentionally trying to destroy the country
lol
a fetus is not a child.

Forsher wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Why would it be funny if you were talking about me?

Revelations. As in Book of Revelation. As in Scripture. As in your username.

It falls apart a little because Revelations as in Book of Revelation is, it seems, an error. But I didn't know that then.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:
I could agree, but i think the modern left considers civil nationalism or “the melting pot” standard is “racist/etc.

I’m getting the impression you are making things up or really don’t know what really is “the melting pot”.

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Lol. The democrats don’t give a flying fuck about the environment. Some democrats might but the party overall would much rather simp for corporations

What makes you think they don't care? Do you and others ever get tired of the same old generalizations?

Prima Scriptura wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
I’m getting the impression you are making things up or really don’t know what really is “the melting pot”.

Oh, you disagree that modern leftists regard civil nationalism/melting pot concepts as racist?

Prima Scriptura wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
I’m getting the impression you are making things up or really don’t know what really is “the melting pot”.

Oh, you disagree that modern leftists regard civil nationalism/melting pot concepts as racist?

The Black Forrest wrote:

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Oh, you disagree that modern leftists regard civil nationalism/melting pot concepts as racist?

I’m sorry. Was that an answer?

So you making things up or do you not understand the concept of the melting pot?

The melting pot is a monocultural metaphor for a heterogeneous society becoming more homogeneous, the different elements "melting together" with a common culture; an alternative being a homogeneous society becoming more heterogeneous through the influx of foreign elements with different cultural backgrounds, possessing the potential to create disharmony within the previous culture. It can also create a harmonious hybridized society known as cultural amalgamation. Historically, it is often used to describe the cultural integration of immigrants to the United States.

American Legionaries wrote:

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:Democrats are socialist

Some of them call themselves this.

Sordhau wrote:

American Legionaries wrote:
Some of them call themselves this.

The ruling political party of China calls itself Communist while simultaneously running a country with the largest number of billionaires on the planet.

People claim to be part of the Left all the time. That doesn't mean they are.

Senkaku wrote:

Port Caverton wrote:If they would have won already you would not be writing a comment like this on the internet

Outline a realistic path for me by which the US avoids sliding headlong into a schizophrenic autocracy run by oligarchs and the far right, or outright disintegration into internal conflict, by the time my 20s are over. American democracy, short-lived and flawed as it’s been, is in its death throes, and our overseas empire is probably next. Even if I had truly world-historic levels of charisma and charm, and a political instinct that could go toe-to-toe with Augustus or FDR, which I don’t, I’m not convinced that it would be within my abilities to do anything to arrest either process.

I’ll also note, you and Therm haven’t even defined who “they” are or what they’re “winning,” but Christ almighty, this country can’t even supply parents with baby formula now— what exactly are you asking me to stick around for? As far as I know, your idea of “fighting for the survival of the US” consists of posting incoherent rants about the need to “fight for the survival of the US” here, which I can do just as well from Auckland or Bruges or wherever.

Prima Scriptura wrote:Let’s go with this definition, shall we?

The melting pot is a monocultural metaphor for a heterogeneous society becoming more homogeneous, the different elements "melting together" with a common culture; an alternative being a homogeneous society becoming more heterogeneous through the influx of foreign elements with different cultural backgrounds, possessing the potential to create disharmony within the previous culture. It can also create a harmonious hybridized society known as cultural amalgamation. Historically, it is often used to describe the cultural integration of immigrants to the United States.

Now, it is my opinion that the modern left views this as “racist”. It’s through their rhetoric and policy proposals that makes me come to this conclusion. Do you disagree with this opinion?