American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[Broader Confederate States]

I know that none of the racial groups are monolithically unified in ideology/thought, but for my purposes- I largely am going to ignore the Whites who don't have any problems with the state of the world or the status quo, and instead focus on the ones who're at minimum, more in agreement with Stormfront or how I'd view the world, which is that most majority White countries are becoming more diverse racially, and that this is unacceptable. I have a problem with it, and they have a problem with it. That is enough in common to be apart of a movement or ideology.

Are you European or hypocritical? Because last time I checked, the US and Canada weren't founded on unclaimed land, they were founded by foreign raiders of a foreign race. So basically every North American country should be a travesty, right? I'm sure you'd be well accepted in Hungary or Belarus if you wanted to live in your perfect white paradise.
I do appreciate the popcorn in this thread, though, so thanks!

[The Reformed American Republic]

Sai will more likely end up in a death camp or dead than be at the top, if his ideal government came to power. He acts like he will be one of the elites when he probably won't.

I mean he can't serve in the army due to awful vision in one eye and has not had a job for a while, so I'm guessing he will be gassed within the first 12 hours

He even wrote this a few years back:

If I were a put into a concentration camp by Nazi Germany, the badge which best describes me is the Black Triangle or "Asocial" category. This is rather bad news for me, because the Nazis would likely have me killed unless I can find a way to make myself useful to them. If given the Black Triangle, it'd be most likely because I've been unemployed for too long, and thus would be considered a burden from Nazi Germany's perspective.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Racial diversity and unity amongst different races is a good thing as a nation with a united populace would better defend against enemies foreign and domestic.

[Umeria]

I have no desire to engage in rational dialog with people who want to put me in a death camp because according to their ideology I'm a degenerate who doesn't deserve to live.

So don't engage. Your desire shouldn't prevent anyone else from talking to these people, especially since doing so is usually the only way to get them out of their ideology.

[Port Caverton]

I have no desire to engage in rational dialog with people who want to put me in a death camp because according to their ideology I'm a degenerate who doesn't deserve to live.

So don't engage. Your desire shouldn't prevent anyone else from talking to these people, especially since doing so is usually the only way to get them out of their ideology.

The only place that fascist should be talked to should be in visitation room of a prison

[Umeria]

So don't engage. Your desire shouldn't prevent anyone else from talking to these people, especially since doing so is usually the only way to get them out of their ideology.

The only place that fascist should be talked to should be in visitation room of a prison

How would you enforce putting people in prison based on their ideology? Scan people's brainwaves?

[Uiiop]

I have no desire to engage in rational dialog with people who want to put me in a death camp because according to their ideology I'm a degenerate who doesn't deserve to live.

So don't engage. Your desire shouldn't prevent anyone else from talking to these people, especially since doing so is usually the only way to get them out of their ideology.

Sordhau doesn't reject destruction that includes rehab she rejects non-destruction.

[Port Caverton]

The only place that fascist should be talked to should be in visitation room of a prison

How would you enforce putting people in prison based on their ideology? Scan people's brainwaves?

NSA

[Umeria]

So don't engage. Your desire shouldn't prevent anyone else from talking to these people, especially since doing so is usually the only way to get them out of their ideology.

Sordhau doesn't reject destruction that includes rehab she rejects non-destruction.

That's fair, I agree that we shouldn't ignore the threat of fascism. What I'm saying is fight fire with water instead of trying to smother it.

[Uiiop]

Sordhau doesn't reject destruction that includes rehab she rejects non-destruction.

That's fair, I agree that we shouldn't ignore the threat of fascism. What I'm saying is fight fire with water instead of trying to smother it.

I'm afraid you're going have to deal with people who want to both rather than neither.

[The Jamesian Republic]

How would you enforce putting people in prison based on their ideology? Scan people's brainwaves?

NSA

NSA is literally from 1984.

[Port Caverton]

NSA

NSA is literally from 1984.

I wouldn't go that far, but it is indeed authoritarian.

[The Jamesian Republic]

NSA is literally from 1984.

I wouldn't go that far, but it is indeed authoritarian.

Which is why it must be abolished.

[Free Algerstonia]

How would you enforce putting people in prison based on their ideology? Scan people's brainwaves?

NSA

[Port Caverton]

I wouldn't go that far, but it is indeed authoritarian.

Which is why it must be abolished.

no.
I mean how will we jail fascists?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Which is why it must be abolished.

no.
I mean how will we jail fascists?

Citizens arrest or vigilante justice.

[Port Caverton]

no.
I mean how will we jail fascists?

Citizens arrest or vigilante justice.

Fair enough.

[San Lumen]

Why do you believe racial diversity is a bad thing? I think it's wonderful that people are blending cultures together and creating something new.

Because the nature of all reality is essentially zero sum. One gain is inherently another's loss and vice versa. What is happening is ensuring that what I most cherish is in decline or fading out of existence over time. What I see as self preservation, others can never understand or just gaslight with (what I see as nonsense), complaints about bigotry or hatred as if thats the most important thing.

Being white does not make you special. Your not better than someone else because your white.

My states current Lieutenant Governor is Afro Latino. Should he not be in that position and instead our governor chosen someone who is white to appease someone like you and endorse this idea of a white majority is sacrosanct?

[Free Algerstonia]

im not worried because i'm no criminal

Never ceases to morbidly amuse me how the same crowd always bleating about how they're being oppressed and the tyrannical goberment is going to come for them any day now also gets off on the idea of scrapping all that 'red tape' that gets in the way of the always fair and noble and just government being allowed to imprison and execute people it deems a threat.

that's how the world works buddy

[Prima Scriptura]

I wouldn't go that far, but it is indeed authoritarian.

Which is why it must be abolished.

No, the NSA shouldn’t be abolished because it is an important tool in the fight against terrorism.

[Aamayska]

Okay, but what evidence do you have for this other than what Hitler, Mussolini, and their party members did? I'm legitimately curious as to how you could reach this conclusion without using the logic I described.

Mussolini literally invented Fascism. Mussolini and Hitler were contemporaries. What they did absolutely defines what Fascism is and it's intellectually dishonest to argue otherwise.

Karl Marx died in 1883. Stalin didn't take power until 1922 - roughly 40 years later. While Stalin contributed his own ideas to Marxist thought, to equate him with Marx is--again--intellectually dishonest.

You know what, I'll take another route. Let's say I like intellectual claims of the Fascists at a certain point, say those declared in The Doctrine Fascism. If I identified with those politics, would I then be a fascist? And let's say that I condemn the politics of Mussolini and Hitler post doctrine, would I still be fascist? Or would I be creating my own ideology with origins in fascist rhetoric? More importantly, do you think any attempt to do so would inevitably become dishonest or evil?

[Sordhau]

I have no desire to engage in rational dialog with people who want to put me in a death camp because according to their ideology I'm a degenerate who doesn't deserve to live.

So don't engage. Your desire shouldn't prevent anyone else from talking to these people, especially since doing so is usually the only way to get them out of their ideology.

Allowing Fascist ideas to propagate does not decrease the number of Fascists. It increases it. We've allowed Fascists to openly express themselves for decades, and are now at the point where mainstream American Conservatives are openly courting Fascists and embracing their ideals. We literally just had a shooting motivated by the Fascist conspiracy theory of the 'Great Replacement' for fucks sake, the same conspiracy theory that's being endorsed by incumbent Republican officials and fucking Fox News anchors. Reality is living proof that your argument is a load of shit. Giving Fascists a voice does not make a society any freer, it only puts people like me at further risk by allowing Fascism a breeding ground to grow and fester.

This naive idea of a world where the free flow of ideas will automatically purify itself of evil ideologies is a pure fucking fantasy, and I refuse to allow myself to be loaded onto a train at gunpoint just to satisfy your self-righteous Liberal delusions.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I can understand the position that fascism should be debated and other such things, it fits nicely into a liberal worldview after all, but at a certain point people are going to have to once again realize the only way you can actually beat an ideology that praises violence to such a degree is to use violence yourself. We didn't beat the Nazis by trying to talk them out of it, we killed them.

[Aamayska]

So don't engage. Your desire shouldn't prevent anyone else from talking to these people, especially since doing so is usually the only way to get them out of their ideology.

Allowing Fascist ideas to propagate does not decrease the number of Fascists. It increases it. We've allowed Fascists to openly express themselves for decades, and are now at the point where mainstream American Conservatives are openly courting Fascists and embracing their ideals. We literally just had a shooting motivated by the Fascist conspiracy theory of the 'Great Replacement' for fucks sake, the same conspiracy theory that's being endorsed by incumbent Republican officials and fucking Fox News anchors. Reality is living proof that your argument is a load of shit. Giving Fascists a voice does not make a society any freer, it only puts people like me at further risk by allowing Fascism a breeding ground to grow and fester.

This naive idea of a world where the free flow of ideas will automatically purify itself of evil ideologies is a pure fucking fantasy, and I refuse to allow myself to be loaded onto a train at gunpoint just to satisfy your self-righteous Liberal delusions.

What then, is a reasonable solution? Censorship? If so, how should it be applied?

[Port Caverton]

I can understand the position that fascism should be debated and other such things, it fits nicely into a liberal worldview after all, but at a certain point people are going to have to once again realize the only way you can actually beat an ideology that praises violence to such a degree is to use violence yourself. We didn't beat the Nazis by trying to talk them out of it, we killed them.

Which is why we should do a special interrogation operation on our country's fascists