NATION

PASSWORD

American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

What Issues Are Most Important To You This Cycle?

The Economy(Non-Inflation Issues)
67
12%
Defence
34
6%
Civil/Human Rights
92
17%
Court Reform
33
6%
Healthcare
61
11%
Inflation
73
13%
Education
38
7%
The Environment
86
16%
Infrastructure
46
8%
Other(Let us Know!)
19
3%
 
Total votes : 549

User avatar
The Jamesian Republic
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10896
Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu May 12, 2022 1:58 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Vassenor wrote:The Far-Right Is Doxxing Judges and Calling For Their Assassinations



But remember, the real threat is the people standing outside Kav's house trying to ask nicely to get him to keep abortion legal.

I feel like hitting actual government-by-assassination territory will be my cue to actually emigrate tbh. Although tbf most of these guys are like Telconi and like posting about murdering people more than they actually want to hurt anyone, cold comfort though that may be once they finally wind some lurker up enough to kick things off.


When did AL say they wanted to murder people?

User avatar
Port Caverton
Minister
 
Posts: 2484
Founded: Oct 01, 2021
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Port Caverton » Thu May 12, 2022 1:59 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Vassenor wrote:The Far-Right Is Doxxing Judges and Calling For Their Assassinations



But remember, the real threat is the people standing outside Kav's house trying to ask nicely to get him to keep abortion legal.

I feel like hitting actual government-by-assassination territory will be my cue to actually emigrate tbh. Although tbf most of these guys are like Telconi and like posting about murdering people more than they actually want to hurt anyone, cold comfort though that may be once they finally wind some lurker up enough to kick things off.

Be honest with yourself: If you wanted to leave you would have done it years ago
"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

User avatar
Senkaku
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 24750
Founded: Sep 01, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Thu May 12, 2022 2:00 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I feel like hitting actual government-by-assassination territory will be my cue to actually emigrate tbh. Although tbf most of these guys are like Telconi and like posting about murdering people more than they actually want to hurt anyone, cold comfort though that may be once they finally wind some lurker up enough to kick things off.


When did AL say they wanted to murder people?

Sorry you’re right, putting “people like you” through “any degree of hardship” was probably just a reference to politely asking some Democrats sign a form saying he’s allowed to own a rifle
currently: being destroyed on the lathe of heaven

User avatar
Senkaku
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 24750
Founded: Sep 01, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Thu May 12, 2022 2:01 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I feel like hitting actual government-by-assassination territory will be my cue to actually emigrate tbh. Although tbf most of these guys are like Telconi and like posting about murdering people more than they actually want to hurt anyone, cold comfort though that may be once they finally wind some lurker up enough to kick things off.

Be honest with yourself: If you wanted to leave you would have done it years ago

When? In high school? Halfway through my degree? In the middle of COVID lockdowns?
currently: being destroyed on the lathe of heaven

User avatar
The Jamesian Republic
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10896
Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu May 12, 2022 2:01 pm

Senkaku wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
When did AL say they wanted to murder people?

Sorry you’re right, putting “people like you” through “any degree of hardship” was probably just a reference to politely asking some Democrats sign a form saying he’s allowed to own a rifle


Oh.

User avatar
American Legionaries
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5919
Founded: Nov 03, 2021
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Thu May 12, 2022 2:02 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Because my rights are more valuable than my enemies' rights. Presuming I even agree with what they're arguing is a right.

You do realize your so-called "enemies'" rights are ALSO your rights, right?


In theory, but not really in practice. While Obergefell guarantees my right to marry a man, it's not anything I'll ever do. I'm physically unable of terminating my own pregnancy, and again wouldn't if I could. Etc. etc.

It's worth noting that this is entirely reversible as well, which would lead us to the question of why Democrats don't vote for 2A absolutists, because they would extend the right to own tanks and missiles to them as well, wouldn't they?

User avatar
The Jamesian Republic
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10896
Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu May 12, 2022 2:04 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You do realize your so-called "enemies'" rights are ALSO your rights, right?


In theory, but not really in practice. While Obergefell guarantees my right to marry a man, it's not anything I'll ever do. I'm physically unable of terminating my own pregnancy, and again wouldn't if I could. Etc. etc.

It's worth noting that this is entirely reversible as well, which would lead us to the question of why Democrats don't vote for 2A absolutists, because they would extend the right to own tanks and missiles to them as well, wouldn't they?


I would.

User avatar
American Legionaries
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5919
Founded: Nov 03, 2021
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Thu May 12, 2022 2:04 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I feel like hitting actual government-by-assassination territory will be my cue to actually emigrate tbh. Although tbf most of these guys are like Telconi and like posting about murdering people more than they actually want to hurt anyone, cold comfort though that may be once they finally wind some lurker up enough to kick things off.


When did AL say they wanted to murder people?


I didn't, but Senkaku has conveniently been substituting what he thinks I said for what I actually said for the last decade anyhow. You're not likely to get a change today.
Last edited by American Legionaries on Thu May 12, 2022 2:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Senkaku
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 24750
Founded: Sep 01, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Thu May 12, 2022 2:08 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You do realize your so-called "enemies'" rights are ALSO your rights, right?


In theory, but not really in practice. While Obergefell guarantees my right to marry a man, it's not anything I'll ever do. I'm physically unable of terminating my own pregnancy, and again wouldn't if I could. Etc. etc.

It's worth noting that this is entirely reversible as well, which would lead us to the question of why Democrats don't vote for 2A absolutists, because they would extend the right to own tanks and missiles to them as well, wouldn't they?

Stripping you of your right to marry a man or terminate your pregnancy sets a very clear example that your other rights can be removed, and you’ve explicitly said you’re fine with doing away with democracy both in practice and in principle. If your other rights become inconvenient for this new regime, why would you expect them to be secure? If a crooked county council wants to turn your property into a hotel or whatever, what’s going to protect you? You’re basically out here fighting furiously for the right to maybe shoot a few rounds back if the state eventually decides to kill you in your house, and you’re willing to sacrifice everything else you have for it.
currently: being destroyed on the lathe of heaven

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 74317
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Thu May 12, 2022 2:09 pm

Vassenor wrote:The Far-Right Is Doxxing Judges and Calling For Their Assassinations

As peaceful protesters camp outside the homes of Supreme Court justices after the leaked draft that would overturn Roe v. Wade, far-right activists are doxxing Democratic federal judges and calling for their assassination.

The posts, which appear on a far-right Telegram channel, feature the names and addresses of federal court judges (among other public figures perceived as enemies to the far-right) alongside a bio and a slick red graphic with a Kalashnikov rifle.

The image of the channel on Telegram—the popular encrypted messaging and posting app known in the past for being a safe haven for neo-Nazi terror groups—is the profile of an unidentified militant in a balaclava pointing an assault rifle.

“Remember, change starts with you,” the channel said in its top-line, pinned post. “No one is coming to save us.”


But remember, the real threat is the people standing outside Kav's house trying to ask nicely to get him to keep abortion legal.


I fear it’s only a matter of time before we start seeing judges or elected officials get injured or assassinated.

User avatar
Senkaku
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 24750
Founded: Sep 01, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Thu May 12, 2022 2:11 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
When did AL say they wanted to murder people?


I didn't, but Senkaku has conveniently been substituting what he thinks I said for what I actually said for the last decade anyhow. You're not likely to get a change today.

Nice to know your willingness to put people through “any degree of hardship” isn’t quite as “unflinching” as you said earlier then I guess (lmao)
currently: being destroyed on the lathe of heaven

User avatar
American Legionaries
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5919
Founded: Nov 03, 2021
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Thu May 12, 2022 2:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:The Far-Right Is Doxxing Judges and Calling For Their Assassinations



But remember, the real threat is the people standing outside Kav's house trying to ask nicely to get him to keep abortion legal.


I fear it’s only a matter of time before we start seeing judges or elected officials get injured or assassinated.


*Steve Scalise has entered the chat*

User avatar
Necroghastia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7273
Founded: May 11, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Necroghastia » Thu May 12, 2022 2:13 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:It's only inevitable as long as you keep masturbating the egos of those who pay lip service to the idea of muh guns while they give break after break and kickback after kickback to the fossil fuels industries.


You really believe that the environment will be just fine if Democrats came to power?

Did I say that?
The Land of Spooky Scary Skeletons!

Pronouns: she/her

User avatar
Senkaku
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 24750
Founded: Sep 01, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Thu May 12, 2022 2:13 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I fear it’s only a matter of time before we start seeing judges or elected officials get injured or assassinated.


*Steve Scalise has entered the chat*

Your supposed core belief is still that anyone and everyone should be able to own machine guns so forgive us for maybe not taking your scolding here very seriously lol
currently: being destroyed on the lathe of heaven

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 74317
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Thu May 12, 2022 2:17 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I fear it’s only a matter of time before we start seeing judges or elected officials get injured or assassinated.


*Steve Scalise has entered the chat*


Says the person who doesn’t care if children only know beauty from a Bob Ross painting so you can have your stupid pieces of metal.
Last edited by San Lumen on Thu May 12, 2022 2:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
American Legionaries
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5919
Founded: Nov 03, 2021
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Thu May 12, 2022 2:17 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
You really believe that the environment will be just fine if Democrats came to power?

Did I say that?


If both sides result in environmental damage, how is my vote bad then?

User avatar
Forsher
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 20451
Founded: Jan 30, 2012
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Forsher » Thu May 12, 2022 2:18 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Forsher wrote:
If you're doing it for environmental reasons, yes.

It's honestly hilarious watching Americans whine about the urban agenda and crow about their commitment to free market principles when there are countries vastly more reliant on agriculture (and primary industries in general) that have functionally no subsidies whatsoever...


Didn’t New Zealand have more sheep than people at one point?


Still does.

Also more possums and cows. There's about 80% as many beef cattle alone as there are people.

https://www.stats.govt.nz/indicators/livestock-numbers

https://envirolink.govt.nz/assets/Envir ... s-inNZ.pdf

It's good that you're aware that sheep farming isn't as big a deal as it used to be. A lot of people don't know that.
Last edited by Forsher on Thu May 12, 2022 2:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
That it Could be What it Is, Is What it Is

Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

The normie life is heteronormie

We won't know until 2053 when it'll be really obvious what he should've done. [...] We have no option but to guess.

User avatar
Necroghastia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7273
Founded: May 11, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Necroghastia » Thu May 12, 2022 2:18 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You do realize your so-called "enemies'" rights are ALSO your rights, right?


In theory, but not really in practice. While Obergefell guarantees my right to marry a man, it's not anything I'll ever do. I'm physically unable of terminating my own pregnancy, and again wouldn't if I could. Etc. etc.

And yet, you do have a body, and both of those are ultimately based on the right to bodily sovereignty - the ability to do with your body as you please. Does that not matter to you?

Also, I had two more questions in that post. I'd appreciate answers for them.

Necroghastia wrote:Also, again, just how far are you willing to go? If people pay lip-service to the idea of you being able to have a fucking bazooka or whatever, would you stand idly by as they tortured trans people? Locked up people who miscarry because as far as they're concerned it's an abortion?

Hell, you didn't even answer my question. Why is it that important to you?
The Land of Spooky Scary Skeletons!

Pronouns: she/her

User avatar
American Legionaries
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5919
Founded: Nov 03, 2021
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Thu May 12, 2022 2:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
*Steve Scalise has entered the chat*


Says the person who doesn’t care if children only know beauty from a Bob Ross painting so you can have your stupid pieces of metal.


This doesn't even make sense, can't I show the stupid pieces of metal to children?

User avatar
The Jamesian Republic
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10896
Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu May 12, 2022 2:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
*Steve Scalise has entered the chat*


Says the person who doesn’t care if children only know beauty from a Bob Ross painting so you can have your stupid pieces of metal.


If you give him a tank he would care.

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 74317
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Thu May 12, 2022 2:19 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Says the person who doesn’t care if children only know beauty from a Bob Ross painting so you can have your stupid pieces of metal.


This doesn't even make sense, can't I show the stupid pieces of metal to children?


Do you enjoy dodging with stupid nonsense as opposed to directly answering a question?

User avatar
Forsher
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 20451
Founded: Jan 30, 2012
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Forsher » Thu May 12, 2022 2:21 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Be honest with yourself: If you wanted to leave you would have done it years ago

When? In high school? Halfway through my degree? In the middle of COVID lockdowns?


It should also be noted getting a degree makes being allowed to stay in another country generally easier.
That it Could be What it Is, Is What it Is

Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

The normie life is heteronormie

We won't know until 2053 when it'll be really obvious what he should've done. [...] We have no option but to guess.

User avatar
Necroghastia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7273
Founded: May 11, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Necroghastia » Thu May 12, 2022 2:21 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Did I say that?


If both sides result in environmental damage, how is my vote bad then?

Tell me, have you ever injured yourself?
And I mean, really, nastily injured yourself. Broken a bone, had a deep cut, etc.
What do you think would be better: having so much as basic first aid applied, or nothing? Perhaps even another injury on top of the first?
The Land of Spooky Scary Skeletons!

Pronouns: she/her

User avatar
Senkaku
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 24750
Founded: Sep 01, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Thu May 12, 2022 2:22 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Also, again, just how far are you willing to go? If people pay lip-service to the idea of you being able to have a fucking bazooka or whatever, would you stand idly by as they tortured trans people? Locked up people who miscarry because as far as they're concerned it's an abortion?

Hell, you didn't even answer my question. Why is it that important to you?

His position over the years has consistently been that he’s willing to go along with literally anything the GOP says or does as long as they continue to promise to someday let him own whatever weapons he wants (or realistically, whatever he can afford and whatever the secret Thiel watchlist lets him access lol). I think there’s some sob story about a weapons charge from years ago or something as a villain origin story, it’s been such a long time I can’t remember— in any case, I don’t think it’s really even that important, it’s just a fig leaf for enthusiastically and knowingly supporting the maximization of human suffering.
currently: being destroyed on the lathe of heaven

User avatar
The United Penguin Commonwealth
Minister
 
Posts: 2152
Founded: Feb 01, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu May 12, 2022 2:23 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I feel like hitting actual government-by-assassination territory will be my cue to actually emigrate tbh. Although tbf most of these guys are like Telconi and like posting about murdering people more than they actually want to hurt anyone, cold comfort though that may be once they finally wind some lurker up enough to kick things off.


When did AL say they wanted to murder people?


Above Leader?

Alignment: LibLeft
Ideology: Libertarian Social Democracy
8values: results
LeftValues: results
Compass: results
SapplyValues: results
InfValues: results

Heloin wrote:If your faith is hatred towards other people for being born a way then your faith isn’t worth a whole lot.

Kannap wrote:Gotta deny people are born gay because then you have to wrestle with the idea that if people are born gay then its by God's design and, if such, serves a God-given purpose and that doesn't mesh with God believing its a sin.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Enormous Gentiles, Forsher, Grinning Dragon, Jewish Underground State, Juristonia, Mountains and Volcanoes, Myrensis, Necroghastia, Salus Maior, Sylh Alanor, Turkish Milfs, Ulajhan, Washington Resistance Army

Advertisement

Remove ads