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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:33 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:The Democrats are Political Hypocrites in many ways too. The Democrats are not Political Saints, :) :rofl: lol.


We know. You do not have to tell us.


Never mind the fact nobody ever suggested they were…..
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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Greater Miami Shores 3
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:34 pm

Catholic America wrote:How dare arizona make you prove who you say you are to vote. I have to prove who I say I am to buy a beer, but I don’t have to do it to vote for president.

Dude, there is nothing wrong with Arizona, wanting you to prove your an American Citizen of the USA and a citizen or resident of Arizona, to vote on Arizona elections, with a voter ID.
I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:34 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Oh.

I consider myself a Liberal because I value individual freedoms and liberties and want to expand them.


Filthy commie. I bet you want to make voting easier too.


Show some identification and you can vote.

Ideally this identification system would be as widely accessible as possible as not to disenfranchise people.
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Catholic America
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Ex-Nation

Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:36 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Catholic America wrote:How dare arizona make you prove who you say you are to vote. I have to prove who I say I am to buy a beer, but I don’t have to do it to vote for president.

Dude, there is nothing wrong with Arizona, wanting you to prove your an American Citizen of the USA and a citizen or resident of Arizona, to vote on Arizona elections, with a voter ID.

Sarcasm
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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Vassenor
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:38 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Filthy commie. I bet you want to make voting easier too.


Show some identification and you can vote.


And how easy will it be to get approved ID? How prevalent is the type of fraud that voter ID protects against?
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Greater Miami Shores 3
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:38 pm

Catholic America wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Dude, there is nothing wrong with Arizona, wanting you to prove your an American Citizen of the USA and a citizen or resident of Arizona, to vote on Arizona elections, with a voter ID.

Sarcasm

I guess you don't understand my post. No Dude, I am not being sarcastic, I am serious and we are serious.
I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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Catholic America
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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:40 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Catholic America wrote:Sarcasm

I guess you don't understand my post. No Dude, I am not being sarcastic, I am serious and we are serious.

I was being sarcastic
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Show some identification and you can vote.


And how easy will it be to get approved ID? How prevalent is the type of fraud that voter ID protects against?


Ideally it would be easy to get one and the current system should be overhauled to get the 21 million Americans who don’t have an ID to get one.

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Catholic America
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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:42 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Show some identification and you can vote.


And how easy will it be to get approved ID? How prevalent is the type of fraud that voter ID protects against?

How’s about the id everyone has to get in order to operate a 2000 pound car. In America that is. I assume you are a Brit based on a couple things, but in Europe u have national ID cards.
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:42 pm

Catholic America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And how easy will it be to get approved ID? How prevalent is the type of fraud that voter ID protects against?

How’s about the id everyone has to get in order to operate a 2000 pound car. In America that is. I assume you are a Brit based on a couple things, but in Europe u have national ID cards.


This^ Or some other license or paperwork that can be verified that it is you.
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The United Penguin Commonwealth
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Founded: Feb 01, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:42 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
yeah, I know you agree with it. I just think it's messed up that you think:













(tfw you can preach all you want about about God to your students, but can't mention your spouse for fear of being accused of "indoctrination")


(fyi the civil war was pre-1877. gee, I wonder why Republicans don't want children to learn about slavery and the Confederacy.





etc, etc. (I'm only halfway through the report and skipped a lot of text) are okay. now, are you willing to engage in discussion about your beliefs - without pulling the "my opinion" card - or not? I'm assuming it's the latter, as you jumped straight into your favorite defense without me even confronting you.

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okay, so it's the second option. good to know.

y'know, I'm starting to see why people block you.
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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:43 pm

Catholic America wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I failing to see how a poll tax and proving to legally buy beer are the same?

I’m talking about voter ids. Poll taxes are banned


Are the voter IDs free?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Diarcesia
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Founded: Aug 21, 2016
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Diarcesia » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:43 pm

Catholic America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And how easy will it be to get approved ID? How prevalent is the type of fraud that voter ID protects against?

How’s about the id everyone has to get in order to operate a 2000 pound car. In America that is. I assume you are a Brit based on a couple things, but in Europe u have national ID cards.

But the government providing free ID cards is socialism, therefore the private citizen should procure one out of their own pocket. And setting an office in the middle of nowhere is too expensive!

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The Jamesian Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:44 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Catholic America wrote:I’m talking about voter ids. Poll taxes are banned


Are the voter IDs free?


If not they should and the government needs to do what ever is possible to make sure their system is equitable so everyone can get one.

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Catholic America
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Postby Catholic America » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Catholic America wrote:I’m talking about voter ids. Poll taxes are banned


Are the voter IDs free?

That expense, if it exists, is not a poll tax
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:45 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Are the voter IDs free?


If not they should and the government needs to do what ever is possible to make sure their system is equitable so everyone can get one.


Indeed. I would also make voting easier for those with hourly jobs. The problem are the people who want voter IDs. They don’t want certain people voting…..
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Diarcesia
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Founded: Aug 21, 2016
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Diarcesia » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:45 pm

Catholic America wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Are the voter IDs free?

That expense, if it exists, is not a poll tax

It is.

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Greater Miami Shores 3
Senator
 
Posts: 4523
Founded: Jul 24, 2021
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:46 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Show some identification and you can vote.


And how easy will it be to get approved ID? How prevalent is the type of fraud that voter ID protects against?

If you are a legal citizen of the USA, you apply for one, get it and prove it. When I vote in Florida, I am asked to provide a voter ID registration card or other proof, that I am a citizen of the USA and resident of Florida. It doesn't bother me.
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I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:46 pm

Catholic America wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Are the voter IDs free?

That expense, if it exists, is not a poll tax


Sure it is. You are paying for the privilege to vote.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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American Legionaries
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Founded: Nov 03, 2021
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:46 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Catholic America wrote:That expense, if it exists, is not a poll tax

It is.


Why?

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The Jamesian Republic
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Founded: Apr 28, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:46 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
If not they should and the government needs to do what ever is possible to make sure their system is equitable so everyone can get one.


Indeed. I would also make voting easier for those with hourly jobs. The problem are the people who want voter IDs. They don’t want certain people voting…..


I know it sucks.

We also need the John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

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Diarcesia
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Diarcesia » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:46 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And how easy will it be to get approved ID? How prevalent is the type of fraud that voter ID protects against?

If you are a legal citizen of the USA, you apply for one, get it and prove it. When I vote in Florida, I am asked to provide an ID voter registration card or other proof, that I am a citizen of the USA and resident of Florida. It doesn't bother me.

How much did you pay for it?

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Necroghastia
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Founded: May 11, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Necroghastia » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:47 pm

Catholic America wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Are the voter IDs free?

That expense, if it exists, is not a poll tax

buddyguy how is requiring someone to pay for something in order to vote not a poll tax
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The Jamesian Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:47 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And how easy will it be to get approved ID? How prevalent is the type of fraud that voter ID protects against?

If you are a legal citizen of the USA, you apply for one, get it and prove it. When I vote in Florida, I am asked to provide an ID voter registration card or other proof, that I am a citizen of the USA and resident of Florida. It doesn't bother me.


That’s nice. But you have to make sure everyone can get access to one.

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Greater Miami Shores 3
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Founded: Jul 24, 2021
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:47 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:If you are a legal citizen of the USA, you apply for one, get it and prove it. When I vote in Florida, I am asked to provide an ID voter registration card or other proof, that I am a citizen of the USA and resident of Florida. It doesn't bother me.

How much did you pay for it?

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