American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[Thermodolia]

Another measure joins the Plaza:

Oregon: The third amendment would disqualify legislators from re-election if they've had more than 10 unexcused or unpermitted absences during their term. This applies to both regular and special sessions.

Would have interesting implications for preventing a quorum

Still you can get around it by just cycling through Representatives.

[Neutraligon]

Would have interesting implications for preventing a quorum

It would mean if Republicans pull another stunt like they did a few years ago the whole caucus would be unable to run for re-election.

Yes I am aware of your hypocrisy

[The Jamesian Republic]

I have stated many times, I support and many of us support Trump DeSantis 2024 and Ron DeSantis 2028. We have an awesome Republican Governor of Florida.

Yeah, but how would you handle DeSantis 2024 and Trump left politically dead in a ditch by everyone, including his own party? I think the likeliest thing would be just going along with it, we've-always-been-at-war-with-Eastasia style, as is your custom, but I haven't ruled out a psychotic break or a brain hemorrhage.

I mean Trump has already had a psychotic break.

[Thermodolia]

Would have interesting implications for preventing a quorum

It would mean if Republicans pull another stunt like they did a few years ago the whole caucus would be unable to run for re-election.

So? They’ll just get new candidates waiting in the wings and continue the process.

Not to mention there’s a strong possibility of a constitutional challenge

[San Lumen]

Would have interesting implications for preventing a quorum

Still you can get around it by just cycling through Representatives.

How? It would still prevent them from running again. What do you accomplish by cycling representatives?

[Zurkerx]

Didn't Trump actually directly incite the insurrection?

Eh would more likely to get him on inciting a riot than insurrection.

The charges would most likely be:
Obstruction of Congress
Conspiracy to commit an insurrection
Incitement of a riot
Accessory to a riot
And corruption

However keep in mind Trump will never be charged or convicted because both sides know they’ll be next on the chopping block and you can definitely put Biden away on war crimes

I mean, sure but considering the likes of Clinton, Bush, and Obama weren't and likely won't be, I doubt we'll see Biden put away for War Crimes should Trump be charged and convicted. It's not going to happen, at least, not now. The more likely thing is they don't want to be on the "chopping block".

[Senkaku]

It would mean if Republicans pull another stunt like they did a few years ago the whole caucus would be unable to run for re-election.

So? They’ll just get new candidates waiting in the wings and continue the process.

Not to mention there’s a strong possibility of a constitutional challenge

Or they'll just look at the far right militias already active in Oregon and Idaho, look at the state house, and go "right then, time for a new approach."

[Thermodolia]

Still you can get around it by just cycling through Representatives.

How? It would still prevent them from running again. What do you accomplish by cycling representatives?

Cycling meaning that you just continue to change out reps with new ones. They all have R after their name anyway

[The Black Forrest]

Yeah, but how would you handle DeSantis 2024 and Trump left politically dead in a ditch by everyone, including his own party? I think the likeliest thing would be just going along with it, we've-always-been-at-war-with-Eastasia style, as is your custom, but I haven't ruled out a psychotic break or a brain hemorrhage.

I mean Trump has already had a psychotic break.

Allegedly it’s happened a few times.

[San Lumen]

How? It would still prevent them from running again. What do you accomplish by cycling representatives?

Cycling meaning that you just continue to change out reps with new ones. They all have R after their name anyway

And they keep being disqualified for re-election and become know as the party that won’t show up when elected.

Come a cycle or two they become irrelevant in the legislature.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

All twisted against Trump.

It seems really clear cut.

lol evidence that disagrees with me and us, and agrees with you guys, what a coincidence. There are Persons who think differently than you guys. At times even in a court of law, a jury cant decide innocent or guilty, based on the same so called evidence.

[Thermodolia]

Eh would more likely to get him on inciting a riot than insurrection.

The charges would most likely be:
Obstruction of Congress
Conspiracy to commit an insurrection
Incitement of a riot
Accessory to a riot
And corruption

However keep in mind Trump will never be charged or convicted because both sides know they’ll be next on the chopping block and you can definitely put Biden away on war crimes

I mean, sure but considering the likes of Clinton, Bush, and Obama weren't and likely won't be, I doubt we'll see Biden put away for War Crimes should Trump be charged and convicted. It's not going to happen, at least, not now. The more likely thing is they don't want to be on the "chopping block".

Right but it wouldn’t surprise me if a new republican president decided to go after them for war crimes or whatever else.

Charging an ex president isn’t going to happen anyway

[Thermodolia]

So? They’ll just get new candidates waiting in the wings and continue the process.

Not to mention there’s a strong possibility of a constitutional challenge

Or they'll just look at the far right militias already active in Oregon and Idaho, look at the state house, and go "right then, time for a new approach."

Ah the 2023 burning of Portland was a sight to behold

[San Lumen]

I mean, sure but considering the likes of Clinton, Bush, and Obama weren't and likely won't be, I doubt we'll see Biden put away for War Crimes should Trump be charged and convicted. It's not going to happen, at least, not now. The more likely thing is they don't want to be on the "chopping block".

Right but it wouldn’t surprise me if a new republican president decided to go after them for war crimes or whatever else.

Charging an ex president isn’t going to happen anyway

Then just drop all the investigations and declare a president as above the law even after leaving office.

If it was up to me Trump would have been indicted already.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I mean Trump has already had a psychotic break.

Allegedly it’s happened a few times.

We’ve seen evidence of at least one.

[Thermodolia]

Cycling meaning that you just continue to change out reps with new ones. They all have R after their name anyway

And they keep being disqualified for re-election and become know as the party that won’t show up when elected.

Come a cycle or two they become irrelevant in the legislature.

No they won’t because the people who elect them want them to be a proverbial wrench in the works. They aren’t going to be irrelevant because that’s what their voters want

[Zurkerx]

I mean, sure but considering the likes of Clinton, Bush, and Obama weren't and likely won't be, I doubt we'll see Biden put away for War Crimes should Trump be charged and convicted. It's not going to happen, at least, not now. The more likely thing is they don't want to be on the "chopping block".

Right but it wouldn’t surprise me if a new republican president decided to go after them for war crimes or whatever else.

Charging an ex president isn’t going to happen anyway

War Crimes no but other charges perhaps. Of course, those charges would have to stick (unless the GOP turned the country into what Russia does) but yes, the new norm would then be Presidents being charged.

And we'll see. I am cautiously pessimistic myself though the most likely would be Georgia: she seems determined to go after the former President.

[The Black Forrest]

Allegedly it’s happened a few times.

We’ve seen evidence of at least one.

You mean the wheel grab video? I couldn’t make out what was going on inside the vehicle. Not saying he didn’t; just wasn’t obvious to me.

[Thermodolia]

Right but it wouldn’t surprise me if a new republican president decided to go after them for war crimes or whatever else.

Charging an ex president isn’t going to happen anyway

Then just drop all the investigations and declare a president as above the law even after leaving office.

Gotta keep up appearances of caring about the rule of law

If it was up to me Trump would have been indicted already.

And when you leave office you’ll be indicted for things too.

[San Lumen]

And they keep being disqualified for re-election and become know as the party that won’t show up when elected.

Come a cycle or two they become irrelevant in the legislature.

No they won’t because the people who elect them want them to be a proverbial wrench in the works. They aren’t going to be irrelevant because that’s what their voters want

I think they’d only need to lose two seats to become irrelevant in the Senate.

[The Black Forrest]

Or they'll just look at the far right militias already active in Oregon and Idaho, look at the state house, and go "right then, time for a new approach."

Ah the 2023 burning of Portland was a sight to behold

Hey man. I think Neut lives there. Why would you want to see that happen?

[The Jamesian Republic]

We’ve seen evidence of at least one.

You mean the wheel grab video? I couldn’t make out what was going on inside the vehicle. Not saying he didn’t; just wasn’t obvious to me.

Not that.

From November 7 2020- The Present

[Thermodolia]

Right but it wouldn’t surprise me if a new republican president decided to go after them for war crimes or whatever else.

Charging an ex president isn’t going to happen anyway

War Crimes no but other charges perhaps. Of course, those charges would have to stick (unless the GOP turned the country into what Russia does) but yes, the new norm would then be Presidents being charged.

And we'll see. I am cautiously pessimistic myself though the most likely would be Georgia: she seems determined to go after the former President.

War crimes is a possibility that many republicans are warming up to. A lot are blaming bush and co for all the current problems so i wouldn’t be surprised if a new R president did exactly that

[Senkaku]

Allegedly it’s happened a few times.

We’ve seen evidence of at least one.

Do you even know what psychosis is?

[Zurkerx]

Right but it wouldn’t surprise me if a new republican president decided to go after them for war crimes or whatever else.

Charging an ex president isn’t going to happen anyway

Then just drop all the investigations and declare a president as above the law even after leaving office.

If it was up to me Trump would have been indicted already.

Aye, but you are going after the King - and unfortunately, that requires a higher burden of proof, which yes, it has been met but you and I wouldn't be on the jury: your average jurist might be a different story. It's going to be exceptionally difficult to find an impartial jury given almost 160 million Americans voted in 2020 and opinions on Trump are well-defined.

You also have to consider the extra steps of vetting and protection: Trump supporters are bound to intimidate and attack those on the jury, as well as the judge and prosecutors.

Of course, none of that should deter Garland but if you're going after the King, you need to make sure your case is air tight, and criminal referrals by the committee may make Garland even less likely to touch it though it would increase pressure on him.