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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:47 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:I think the most realistic charge you could issue are
Obstruction of Congress
Accessory to a Crime


Didn't Trump actually directly incite the insurrection?


Inciting violence is a crime but it does not rise to treason.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:49 am

Another measure joins the Plaza:

Oregon: The third amendment would disqualify legislators from re-election if they've had more than 10 unexcused or unpermitted absences during their term. This applies to both regular and special sessions.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:49 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:I think the most realistic charge you could issue are
Obstruction of Congress
Accessory to a Crime


Didn't Trump actually directly incite the insurrection?


Maybe incitement of a riot too. From testimonies of those who testified Trump tried to have Pence obstruct Congress then that could give him an obstruction of congress charge. Assuming the rest of Hutchinson’s testimony (The car segment is pretty shaky) is correct and he knew what was going to happen and didn’t stop it until it was too late then accessory charge could be issued.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:49 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:I think the most realistic charge you could issue are
Obstruction of Congress
Accessory to a Crime


Didn't Trump actually directly incite the insurrection?

Eh would more likely to get him on inciting a riot than insurrection.

The charges would most likely be:
Obstruction of Congress
Conspiracy to commit an insurrection
Incitement of a riot
Accessory to a riot
And corruption

However keep in mind Trump will never be charged or convicted because both sides know they’ll be next on the chopping block and you can definitely put Biden away on war crimes
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:50 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Didn't Trump actually directly incite the insurrection?

Eh would more likely to get him on inciting a riot than insurrection.

The charges would most likely be:
Obstruction of Congress
Conspiracy to commit an insurrection
Incitement of a riot
Accessory to a riot
And corruption


Pretty much.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:50 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:I think the most realistic charge you could issue are
Obstruction of Congress
Accessory to a Crime


Didn't Trump actually directly incite the insurrection?

No, of which there is no evidence of, just anti Trump, leftist, Democrat, Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media exaggerations, distortions and misinterpretations, from the leftist, Democrats, anti Trump, Political Kangaroo Court.
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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:51 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Didn't Trump actually directly incite the insurrection?

No, of which there is no evidence of, just anti Trump, leftist, Democrat, Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media exaggerations, distortions and misinterpretations.


There is lots of evidence and testimony.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:52 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:No, of which there is no evidence of, just anti Trump, leftist, Democrat, Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media exaggerations, distortions and misinterpretations.


There is lots of evidence and testimony.

All twisted against Trump.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:52 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
There is lots of evidence and testimony.

All twisted against Trump.


Okay so what is the truth then?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:52 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
I agree. Isn't what Trump did technically treason? Can he be executed?

No it’s not treason as we have to be at war. Sedition would be a stretch, at most it’s good old corruption


Close to how I would have responded.

Treason is limited to war with an enemy. It includes war against the government. Still…..Trump and his Jan 6th people did not do this.

Now sedition? Was trump advocating insurrection against the government? His chatter about fighting, stolen elections and your future….could be argued. Especially when it just happens to follow an election and before the peaceful transition of power.

Corruption? By all means. He is corrupt as fuck…..
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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:52 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
There is lots of evidence and testimony.

All twisted against Trump.


It seems really clear cut.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:53 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:All twisted against Trump.


It seems really clear cut.

To you guys not too me and us.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:53 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
It seems really clear cut.

To you guys not too me and us.


Then how is it really then?

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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:54 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
It seems really clear cut.

To you guys not too me and us.


Why?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:55 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:All twisted against Trump.


It seems really clear cut.


Just a warning. Evidence is irrelevant in a debate with him.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:55 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
It seems really clear cut.

To you guys not too me and us.


It’s truly stunning to me how you continue to live in your own reality. Trump could have committed murder on live Tv that day and you’d find a way to defend it.

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:55 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
There is lots of evidence and testimony.

All twisted against Trump.

Yes, we know, there's no evidence or testimony that could ever break your brainstem-level attachment to the man. Your reaction to him getting pitched over the side like so much dead meat and swapped out for DeSantis will be quite amusing, if it comes to that I don't know how you'll manage to reconcile it!
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:57 am

Senkaku wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:All twisted against Trump.

Yes, we know, there's no evidence or testimony that could ever break your brainstem-level attachment to the man. Your reaction to him getting pitched over the side like so much dead meat and swapped out for DeSantis will be quite amusing, if it comes to that I don't know how you'll manage to reconcile it!

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:58 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Yes, we know, there's no evidence or testimony that could ever break your brainstem-level attachment to the man. Your reaction to him getting pitched over the side like so much dead meat and swapped out for DeSantis will be quite amusing, if it comes to that I don't know how you'll manage to reconcile it!

“The old Trump is dead, long live the new Trump!”


The scary thing is how many people will believe that. It would be a continuation of the hate stoking…..
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:59 am

Senkaku wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:All twisted against Trump.

Yes, we know, there's no evidence or testimony that could ever break your brainstem-level attachment to the man. Your reaction to him getting pitched over the side like so much dead meat and swapped out for DeSantis will be quite amusing, if it comes to that I don't know how you'll manage to reconcile it!

I have stated many times, I support and many of us support Trump DeSantis 2024 and Ron DeSantis 2028. We have an awesome Republican Governor of Florida.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:59 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Yes, we know, there's no evidence or testimony that could ever break your brainstem-level attachment to the man. Your reaction to him getting pitched over the side like so much dead meat and swapped out for DeSantis will be quite amusing, if it comes to that I don't know how you'll manage to reconcile it!

“The old Trump is dead, long live the new Trump!”


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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:59 am

Shrillland wrote:Another measure joins the Plaza:

Oregon: The third amendment would disqualify legislators from re-election if they've had more than 10 unexcused or unpermitted absences during their term. This applies to both regular and special sessions.

Would have interesting implications for preventing a quorum
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:00 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Yes, we know, there's no evidence or testimony that could ever break your brainstem-level attachment to the man. Your reaction to him getting pitched over the side like so much dead meat and swapped out for DeSantis will be quite amusing, if it comes to that I don't know how you'll manage to reconcile it!

I have stated many times, I support and many of us support Trump DeSantis 2024 and Ron DeSantis 2028. We have an awesome Republican Governor of Florida.


Who wants the State Board of Education to survey people on their political beliefs. Which is kind of weird. I know Gallup Pew and Ipsos does it but when it’s the government something about doesn’t sit right.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:01 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Another measure joins the Plaza:

Oregon: The third amendment would disqualify legislators from re-election if they've had more than 10 unexcused or unpermitted absences during their term. This applies to both regular and special sessions.

Would have interesting implications for preventing a quorum


It would mean if Republicans pull another stunt like they did a few years ago the whole caucus would be unable to run for re-election.

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:01 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Yes, we know, there's no evidence or testimony that could ever break your brainstem-level attachment to the man. Your reaction to him getting pitched over the side like so much dead meat and swapped out for DeSantis will be quite amusing, if it comes to that I don't know how you'll manage to reconcile it!

I have stated many times, I support and many of us support Trump DeSantis 2024 and Ron DeSantis 2028. We have an awesome Republican Governor of Florida.

Yeah, but how would you handle DeSantis 2024 and Trump left politically dead in a ditch by everyone, including his own party? I think the likeliest thing would be just going along with it, we've-always-been-at-war-with-Eastasia style, as is your custom, but I haven't ruled out a psychotic break or a brain hemorrhage.
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