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Postby Port Caverton » Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:25 am

New haven america wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Linking to a Wikipedia article is not proof that there was a party switch.


Just as how socialism is not when the government does stuff, conservatism is not when the government doesn't do stuff.

Ok, so A. You didn't actually read my source, B. That's not what we were talking about to begin with and IDK where you pulled that from, and C. Wanting the government not to do shit is a staple of American Conservatism.

The same conservatives who want to glass Iran?
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:29 am

Port Caverton wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ok, so A. You didn't actually read my source, B. That's not what we were talking about to begin with and IDK where you pulled that from, and C. Wanting the government not to do shit is a staple of American Conservatism.

The same conservatives who want to glass Iran?

ffs, you know the Reps always cherrypick what does and doesn't count as big government.

The Feds not getting a say on abortion? Just as it should be. Bombing the shit outta a random MENA country for oil? National security purposes, it doesn't count.

Have you not been following The Reps for the pasted 40 years?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:26 am

The Georgia Guidestones, somewhat mysterious stone tablets on which are inscribed instructions on how to structure a post-apocalyptic society, were bombed early Wednesday morning. One assumes the perpetrators were one of the far-right conspiracy theorists who hold the monument to be Satanic.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:26 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
Has the MAGA movement gotten stronger or weaker over the past year?


the far-right is still holding strong

read this party platform:
https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads ... 6-2022.pdf
this is the official platform for the Texas GOP (Republican Party).

I read it, sounds very conservative Republican, there is nothing wrong with it, according to me and us.

https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads ... 6-2022.pdf
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:27 am

Madigan was finally indicted by the Feds this morning

Not sure it'll affect things much, we in Illinois aren't really affected by hearing about corruption like others are.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:29 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
the far-right is still holding strong

read this party platform:
https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads ... 6-2022.pdf
this is the official platform for the Texas GOP (Republican Party).

I read it, sounds very conservative Republican, there is nothing wrong with it, according to me and us.

https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads ... 6-2022.pdf


Abolishing all federal welfare isn’t good. I suggest a balance between federal welfare and private charities religious organizations and communities. With Roe gone and abortion being banned now more than ever is the time to overhaul our welfare and legal systems.
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Postby Diarcesia » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:32 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:I read it, sounds very conservative Republican, there is nothing wrong with it, according to me and us.

https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads ... 6-2022.pdf


Abolishing all federal welfare isn’t good. I suggest a balance between federal welfare and private charities religious organizations and communities. With Roe gone and abortion being banned now more than ever is the time to overhaul our welfare and legal systems.

One more thing with private charities is that they are free to withhold generosity from people they don't like.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:32 am

Diarcesia wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Abolishing all federal welfare isn’t good. I suggest a balance between federal welfare and private charities religious organizations and communities. With Roe gone and abortion being banned now more than ever is the time to overhaul our welfare and legal systems.

One more thing with private charities is that they are free to withhold generosity from people they don't like.


That’s one of the other main concerns I have about this.
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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:33 am

If Trump is convicted and sent to prison, will things get better, worse, or stay the same for America?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:33 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:I read it, sounds very conservative Republican, there is nothing wrong with it, according to me and us.

https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads ... 6-2022.pdf


Abolishing all federal welfare isn’t good. I suggest a balance between federal welfare and private charities religious organizations and communities. With Roe gone and abortion being banned now more than ever is the time to overhaul our welfare and legal systems.

Remember my Conservative, Republican, GMS Political Manifesto, all religious and non profit organizations should provide government services, not the government.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:35 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:If Trump is convicted and sent to prison, will things get better, worse, or stay the same for America?


Well that’s a tough one. I think there will be panic on the hill. People will rush to try and cover up their crap as now no one will be safe. There will be an effort to install laws to delay and most likely lesson the damage if they are caught.

Still it’s something that has to be done. Nobody should get a pass for breaking laws……
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:36 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Abolishing all federal welfare isn’t good. I suggest a balance between federal welfare and private charities religious organizations and communities. With Roe gone and abortion being banned now more than ever is the time to overhaul our welfare and legal systems.

Remember my Conservative, Republican, GMS Political Manifesto, all religious and non profit organizations should provide government services, not the government.


Why?
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:36 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:If Trump is convicted and sent to prison, will things get better, worse, or stay the same for America?


Well that’s a tough one. I think there will be panic on the hill. People will rush to try and cover up their crap as now no one will be safe. There will be an effort to install laws to delay and most likely lesson the damage if they are caught.

Still it’s something that has to be done. Nobody should get a pass for breaking laws……


This^ America can finally hold its elected officials accountable.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:37 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:If Trump is convicted and sent to prison, will things get better, worse, or stay the same for America?

But Trump has not committed any crimes, as I and a few others have explained in details many times.

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Postby Sordhau » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:38 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Nobody should get a pass for breaking laws……


Except for Rob Halford, of course. :p
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:38 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Remember my Conservative, Republican, GMS Political Manifesto, all religious and non profit organizations should provide government services, not the government.


Why?


Reliability, perhaps.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:38 am

Ifreann wrote:The Georgia Guidestones, somewhat mysterious stone tablets on which are inscribed instructions on how to structure a post-apocalyptic society, were bombed early Wednesday morning. One assumes the perpetrators were one of the far-right conspiracy theorists who hold the monument to be Satanic.

The guidestones where set up by one conspiracy group and another group wants them gone.

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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:38 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:If Trump is convicted and sent to prison, will things get better, worse, or stay the same for America?


Well that’s a tough one. I think there will be panic on the hill. People will rush to try and cover up their crap as now no one will be safe. There will be an effort to install laws to delay and most likely lesson the damage if they are caught.

Still it’s something that has to be done. Nobody should get a pass for breaking laws……


I agree. Isn't what Trump did technically treason? Can he be executed?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:40 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Well that’s a tough one. I think there will be panic on the hill. People will rush to try and cover up their crap as now no one will be safe. There will be an effort to install laws to delay and most likely lesson the damage if they are caught.

Still it’s something that has to be done. Nobody should get a pass for breaking laws……


I agree. Isn't what Trump did technically treason? Can he be executed?

No it’s not treason as we have to be at war. Sedition would be a stretch, at most it’s good old corruption
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:42 am

Diarcesia wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Abolishing all federal welfare isn’t good. I suggest a balance between federal welfare and private charities religious organizations and communities. With Roe gone and abortion being banned now more than ever is the time to overhaul our welfare and legal systems.

One more thing with private charities is that they are free to withhold generosity from people they don't like.


Especially if you don’t want to listen to how God can help you.

A friend of mine works in Africa. Clean water, etc. He does not like the religious charities. They tend to look for the most poverty ridden villages for photo ops and suggest this is the country and you need more. One time religious charity was send boxes of bibles. They were useful. They used to them to start their cooking fires.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:42 am

American Legionaries wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Why?


Reliability, perhaps.


But do we have to abolish all federal welfare?

I say let there be a balance. In fact there always must be a balance. The balance must never be disrupted.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:43 am

Neon Lunar Eclipse wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Well that’s a tough one. I think there will be panic on the hill. People will rush to try and cover up their crap as now no one will be safe. There will be an effort to install laws to delay and most likely lesson the damage if they are caught.

Still it’s something that has to be done. Nobody should get a pass for breaking laws……


I agree. Isn't what Trump did technically treason? Can he be executed?

As I and a few others keep explaining, there was a violent riot, but there was no coup coup d'état attempt, it is ridiculous to believe, so the answer to your question is No.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:44 am

American Legionaries wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Why?


Reliability, perhaps.


Hmmm? From what I have seen and comments from friends who do this stuff?….not really.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:45 am

I think the most realistic charge you could issue are
Obstruction of Congress
Accessory to a Crime
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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:46 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:I think the most realistic charge you could issue are
Obstruction of Congress
Accessory to a Crime


Didn't Trump actually directly incite the insurrection?
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