American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[USS Monitor]

If Lincoln were alive today he'd be wondering why women can vote.

Actually….I think he would be fascinating to hear about how it came about.

If he was fresh out of a time machine he'd be like "What the hell????" -- but I am not sure how he'd feel after having a chance to think it over and get more familiar with the modern world.

He might be OK with it after having a chance to get acclimated to the idea.

But it's hard to know, and there would be an initial culture shock like "WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON??? THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD!!!"

[HISPIDA]

If Lincoln were alive today he'd be wondering why women can vote.

Actually….I think he would be fascinating to hear about how it came about.

there is a non-zero chance that he read marx. lincoln was alive when marx was posting in the new york times.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Actually….I think he would be fascinating to hear about how it came about.

there is a non-zero chance that he read marx. lincoln was alive when marx was posting in the new york times.

iirc he exchanged letters with marx at one point.

[Cannot think of a name]

Actually….I think he would be fascinating to hear about how it came about.

If he was fresh out of a time machine he'd be like "What the hell????" -- but I am not sure how he'd feel after having a chance to think it over and get more familiar with the modern world.

He might be OK with it after having a chance to get acclimated to the idea.

But it's hard to know, and there would be an initial culture shock like "WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON??? THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD!!!"

I've seen this play. Which is a real thing, there was a play at a theater festival that was about a scientist clone/reviving Lincoln and running him as a Democrat so the Republicans responded by running a revised Jesus.

You laugh, you cry...the audience votes and then gets an ending depending on the results. It was a cute play.

[Pasong Tirad]

Lincoln would also be like what do you mean there are six Catholics in the Supreme Court one was already too much

[USS Monitor]

If he was fresh out of a time machine he'd be like "What the hell????" -- but I am not sure how he'd feel after having a chance to think it over and get more familiar with the modern world.

He might be OK with it after having a chance to get acclimated to the idea.

But it's hard to know, and there would be an initial culture shock like "WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON??? THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD!!!"

I've seen this play. Which is a real thing, there was a play at a theater festival that was about a scientist clone/reviving Lincoln and running him as a Democrat so the Republicans responded by running a revised Jesus.

You laugh, you cry...the audience votes and then gets an ending depending on the results. It was a cute play.

Sounds fun.

[San Lumen]

If he was fresh out of a time machine he'd be like "What the hell????" -- but I am not sure how he'd feel after having a chance to think it over and get more familiar with the modern world.

He might be OK with it after having a chance to get acclimated to the idea.

But it's hard to know, and there would be an initial culture shock like "WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON??? THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD!!!"

I've seen this play. Which is a real thing, there was a play at a theater festival that was about a scientist clone/reviving Lincoln and running him as a Democrat so the Republicans responded by running a revised Jesus.

You laugh, you cry...the audience votes and then gets an ending depending on the results. It was a cute play.

A very clever play. What’s it called?

[Salus Maior]

The guy who did not care about slavery (not really)...except to use it as a tactic to keep the union together and get France and England not to side with the South. Lincoln was a "great man" he was however not perfect and deifying him does him a disservice for all that he went through and worked through.

Ya the “fight for the freedom of slaves” was an afterthought to keep unionists from burning down recruitment centers, the peaceniks from gaining power, and to keep the euros out of the war.

It was brilliant and good but it wasn’t done out of the goodness of wanting to end slavery. Hell if the civil war had say ended in a year or two it’s likely that either slavery would still be allowed to some degree or that all slaves would be deported to Africa

I disagree. Though that's certainly how he started out, Lincoln was opposed to slavery on moral grounds especially later on in his life. His interactions with Frederick Douglass appear to have influenced a lot of his attitudes towards slavery and African Americans.

[Tarsonis]

Unless he actually was gay.

he 99% wasn't

now buchanan on the other hand

apparently he exchanged some steamy letters with a guy, don't know anything about it though

[Salus Maior]

he 99% wasn't

now buchanan on the other hand

apparently he exchanged some steamy letters with a guy, don't know anything about it though

I don't really find that convincing. Lots of people exchanged flowery letters without it being sexualized back in the day.

We just sexualize everything now so nobody can have an intense friendship without people thinking you're fucking. Which does wonders for toxic masculinity.

[Salus Maior]

We are talking about the guy that suspended habeas corpus and the guy that wanted to deport all slaves to Africa right?

For a good reason, and he didn't actually maintain that position through his whole life.

[San Lumen]

he 99% wasn't

now buchanan on the other hand

apparently he exchanged some steamy letters with a guy, don't know anything about it though

It has long been speculated Buchanan was gay but unlike Walt Whitman it’s very hard to say for certain.

[Prima Scriptura]

He’d also be appalled by the extremism and conspiracy theories that have taken over the party and Lincoln would call those people out.

Yeah and he'd probably want you in prison for being a sodomite, who the fuck cares?

I’m considered one of the most homophobic people on this site and I don’t even use that word…

[HISPIDA]

he 99% wasn't

now buchanan on the other hand

apparently he exchanged some steamy letters with a guy, don't know anything about it though

he was living together with william rufus king, who referred to their relationship as a "communion", while buchanan's postmaster general referred to king as buchanan's "wife" on occassion. so, make of that what you will.

there's also ample evidence to suggest buchanan was asexual or at least aromantic.

[Cannot think of a name]

I've seen this play. Which is a real thing, there was a play at a theater festival that was about a scientist clone/reviving Lincoln and running him as a Democrat so the Republicans responded by running a revised Jesus.

You laugh, you cry...the audience votes and then gets an ending depending on the results. It was a cute play.

Sounds fun.

Same festival: 80 minute performance piece about how grass is classist.

Yep.

[Pasong Tirad]

Sounds fun.

Same festival: 80 minute performance piece about how grass is classist.

Yep.

So just a normal day in a theater festival

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3 ... to-resign/

PA Senate candidate Dr. Oz calls on Philadelphia mayor to resign

[Cannot think of a name]

he 99% wasn't

now buchanan on the other hand

apparently he exchanged some steamy letters with a guy, don't know anything about it though

It feels like smoke where people want a fire to be, but my historical bona fides are non-existent.

We are talking about the guy that suspended habeas corpus and the guy that wanted to deport all slaves to Africa right?

For a good reason, and he didn't actually maintain that position through his whole life.

For the time Liberia wasn't the worst idea. You just had to kill a bunch of people to get them to stop owning other people. Even if reconstruction wasn't a fuck up, it'd have been a fuck up. And so far the only culture that had formed was in chains. They didn't migrate there, they were captured (though by the time of the civil war they were a few generations in...they stopped importing them in 1808.) Even the northerners that wanted them to be free didn't really like them. The country is not even 100 yet. From a certain point of view trying to give it a mulligan made a certain amount of sense. Just we kinda Americaned it up. And the slaves that lived in the US at the time or freemen had no real connection to Africa seeing as their cultures were literally beaten out of them. But also even as a good idea it should be optional. Not that anyone's advocating doing that today.

Someone is probably advocating that.

Same festival: 80 minute performance piece about how grass is classist.

Yep.

So just a normal day in a theater festival

Pretty much, yeah.

[American Legionaries]

Yeah and he'd probably want you in prison for being a sodomite, who the fuck cares?

I’m considered one of the most homophobic people on this site and I don’t even use that word…

I'm not certain what the point is here...

[Prima Scriptura]

I’m considered one of the most homophobic people on this site and I don’t even use that word…

I'm not certain what the point is here...

I mean, you can use the term homosexual instead of “sodomite“…

[American Legionaries]

I'm not certain what the point is here...

I mean, you can use the term homosexual instead of “sodomite“…

The latter would be the correct term vis a vis the 1860s...

[Thermodolia]

Ya the “fight for the freedom of slaves” was an afterthought to keep unionists from burning down recruitment centers, the peaceniks from gaining power, and to keep the euros out of the war.

It was brilliant and good but it wasn’t done out of the goodness of wanting to end slavery. Hell if the civil war had say ended in a year or two it’s likely that either slavery would still be allowed to some degree or that all slaves would be deported to Africa

I disagree. Though that's certainly how he started out, Lincoln was opposed to slavery on moral grounds especially later on in his life. His interactions with Frederick Douglass appear to have influenced a lot of his attitudes towards slavery and African Americans.

Yes he was opposed to slavery on moral grounds however the proclamation had less to do with lifting slavery overall and more to win the war.

The proclamation only effected the states in rebellion at the time which meant that border slave states where still allowed to keep slavery.

That’s not to say that Lincoln was against removing slavery it’s just at the time it wasn’t the forefront thought

[New haven america]

The guy who did not care about slavery (not really)...except to use it as a tactic to keep the union together and get France and England not to side with the South. Lincoln was a "great man" he was however not perfect and deifying him does him a disservice for all that he went through and worked through.

Ya the “fight for the freedom of slaves” was an afterthought to keep unionists from burning down recruitment centers, the peaceniks from gaining power, and to keep the euros out of the war.

It was brilliant and good but it wasn’t done out of the goodness of wanting to end slavery. Hell if the civil war had say ended in a year or two it’s likely that either slavery would still be allowed to some degree or that all slaves would be deported to Africa

Uh, no.

Lincoln was against slavery and wanted to end it, but he was also a capitalist. As such, he believed slavery would end on its own as it would become economically viable.

Also, several black activists and abolitionists at the time, most notably Frederick Douglass, personally pushed him to do it.

[Vassenor]

So what's the general opinion on DeSantis demanding academics register their political views with the government?

[Eahland]

So what's the general opinion on DeSantis demanding academics register their political views with the government?

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