American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[HISPIDA]

I'll say that I'm a "moderate" on the issue of abortion. A fetus is a human being , it has the genetic material of a human and develops human traits. It may not be conscious, but has the potential to become a sentient being.
Therefor abortion is murder comparable to killing s mentally disabled elder. However, the mother should have the privilege of removing life when the fetus has deformities or is the result of nonconsentual relationships.

I hate saying "Both sides", but my view is that such a complex topic can't be simplified.

My opinion on abortion is really that I don't know. My world view is informed by multiple epistomolgies that are in conflict on the matter. I used to be ardently pro-life, but I guess if i had to put a pin in it, I'd be categorized as pro-choice, but like 00's pro-choice.

you mean "safe, legal, rare" pro choice, right?

[Communal concils]

I'll say that I'm a "moderate" on the issue of abortion. A fetus is a human being , it has the genetic material of a human and develops human traits. It may not be conscious, but has the potential to become a sentient being.
Therefor abortion is murder comparable to killing s mentally disabled elder. However, the mother should have the privilege of removing life when the fetus has deformities or is the result of nonconsentual relationships.

I hate saying "Both sides", but my view is that such a complex topic can't be simplified.

My opinion on abortion is really that I don't know. My world view is informed by multiple epistomolgies that are in conflict on the matter. I used to be ardently pro-life, but I guess if i had to put a pin in it, I'd be categorized as pro-choice, but like 00's pro-choice.

That's probably one of the most reasonable perspective I've read in a while. People have become zealots, which is why we have cases of terrorism done in the name of both social liberals and conservatives( both of which are guilty of identity politics).

[Communal concils]

I'll say that I'm a "moderate" on the issue of abortion. A fetus is a human being , it has the genetic material of a human and develops human traits. It may not be conscious, but has the potential to become a sentient being.Therefor abortion is murder comparable to killing s mentally disabled elder.

That's a rather big leap of logic.. you are missing a few steps.

Care to explain what I'm missing?

[Tarsonis]

My opinion on abortion is really that I don't know. My world view is informed by multiple epistomolgies that are in conflict on the matter. I used to be ardently pro-life, but I guess if i had to put a pin in it, I'd be categorized as pro-choice, but like 00's pro-choice.

you mean "safe, legal, rare" pro choice, right?

I'm uncomfortable affirming even that as I'm not sure it's entirely accurate, but it was Matt Santos' and Jed Bartlett's stand point on the show, and I always found myself agreeing with then when it was discussed.

[The Alma Mater]

That's a rather big leap of logic.. you are missing a few steps.

Care to explain what I'm missing?

From "it has potential" to "therefor murder" is a non-sequitur. hence the "you are missing a few steps".

[Communal concils]

Care to explain what I'm missing?

From "it has potential" to "therefor murder" is a non-sequitur. hence the "you are missing a few steps".

My argument is coherent. I'm simply saying that killing a fetus is murder because its a human being that didn't have the choice in dying.

[Diarcesia]

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/02/1109442956/these-candidates-lost-badly-but-now-are-claiming-fraud

Republican candidates who lose primaries are increasingly claiming fraud.

That's some weak third world crap.

[Saiwania]

Donald Trump is on the cusp of running for President again. I'd have to say I approve. I'm all in for him getting back into office. Unless DeSantis prevails in the power struggle for control of the party. He's a rising star, but it remains to be seen- is he bright enough to vanquish Trump and become the new God Emperor to rally behind?

This January 6th stuff is just a nonsense sideshow compared to what matters, which is throwing out Biden and all of his people and making them just a bad memory. And to turn this US economy around and defeat China.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Donald Trump is on the cusp of running for President again. I'd have to say I approve. I'm all in for him getting back into office. Unless DeSantis prevails in the power struggle for control of the party. He's a rising star, but it remains to be seen- is he bright enough to vanquish Trump and become the new God Emperor to get behind?

This January 6th stuff is just a nonsense sideshow compared to what matters, which is throwing out Biden and all of his people and making them just a bad memory. And to turn this US economy around and defeat China.

Donald Trump would sooner sell America out for five Trump Hotels in Peking than beating PRC.

[WayNeacTia]

Donald Trump is on the cusp of running for President again. I'd have to say I approve. I'm all in for him getting back into office. Unless DeSantis prevails in the power struggle for control of the party. He's a rising star, but it remains to be seen- is he bright enough to vanquish Trump and become the new God Emperor to rally behind?

This January 6th stuff is just a nonsense sideshow compared to what matters, which is throwing out Biden and all of his people and making them just a bad memory. And to turn this US economy around and defeat China.

You do realize there is a fairly decent chance that he is going to be federally indicted? Pretty hard to campaign for President while sitting in Club Fed......

[American Legionaries]

Donald Trump is on the cusp of running for President again. I'd have to say I approve. I'm all in for him getting back into office. Unless DeSantis prevails in the power struggle for control of the party. He's a rising star, but it remains to be seen- is he bright enough to vanquish Trump and become the new God Emperor to rally behind?

This January 6th stuff is just a nonsense sideshow compared to what matters, which is throwing out Biden and all of his people and making them just a bad memory. And to turn this US economy around and defeat China.

You do realize there is a fairly decent chance that he is going to be federally indicted? Pretty hard to campaign for President while sitting in Club Fed......

Even if what you say is true, which I doubt, surely other people can campaign for him. And as far as I can tell, there are no laws which would prohibit someone from being President due to criminal incarceration.

[Neon Lunar Eclipse]

You do realize there is a fairly decent chance that he is going to be federally indicted? Pretty hard to campaign for President while sitting in Club Fed......

Even if what you say is true, which I doubt, surely other people can campaign for him. And as far as I can tell, there are no laws which would prohibit someone from being President due to criminal incarceration.

Has an American president ever been arrested before?

[The Black Forrest]

Donald Trump is on the cusp of running for President again. I'd have to say I approve. I'm all in for him getting back into office. Unless DeSantis prevails in the power struggle for control of the party. He's a rising star, but it remains to be seen- is he bright enough to vanquish Trump and become the new God Emperor to rally behind?

This January 6th stuff is just a nonsense sideshow compared to what matters, which is throwing out Biden and all of his people and making them just a bad memory. And to turn this US economy around and defeat China.

DeSantis? Hard pass. Raises taxes and the anti-gay stuff. Just watched a video of Florida police arresting 13 year olds for protesting.

[Cannot think of a name]

It's $6.289 in Los Angeles, who has us beat?

Vass is UKian. We usually translate when talking to septics about petrol prices as metric confuses and scares you.

Liters to the 100 kilometers is the most bananas way to measure efficiency. It's like it's designed to be confusing.

My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

[American Legionaries]

Even if what you say is true, which I doubt, surely other people can campaign for him. And as far as I can tell, there are no laws which would prohibit someone from being President due to criminal incarceration.

Has an American president ever been arrested before?

A candidate? Yes. Eugene Debs ran for president while in federal prison, and got over 900,000 votes.

[Neon Lunar Eclipse]

Has an American president ever been arrested before?

A candidate? Yes. Eugene Debs ran for president while in federal prison, and got over 900,000 votes.

Wow.

[The Black Forrest]

Even if what you say is true, which I doubt, surely other people can campaign for him. And as far as I can tell, there are no laws which would prohibit someone from being President due to criminal incarceration.

Has an American president ever been arrested before?

George W. Bush was arrested for a DUI. Charges were dropped. Still; that was before he was President.

[Tarsonis]

Vass is UKian. We usually translate when talking to septics about petrol prices as metric confuses and scares you.

Liters to the 100 kilometers is the most bananas way to measure efficiency. It's like it's designed to be confusing.

My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

My jeep gets .01 bulldozed rainforest to the beer run.

[San Lumen]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fulton- ... d=86252892

Fulton County subpoenas Rudy Giuliani, Lindsey Graham in probe into election interference

[American Legionaries]

Has an American president ever been arrested before?

George W. Bush was arrested for a DUI. Charges were dropped. Still; that was before he was President.

Grant was arrested while in office, for repeatedly speeding.

[Tarsonis]

George W. Bush was arrested for a DUI. Charges were dropped. Still; that was before he was President.

Grant was arrested while in office, for repeatedly speeding.

Horse and Buggy's were no joke. Could kill a man as easily as a car.

[Eahland]

You do realize there is a fairly decent chance that he is going to be federally indicted? Pretty hard to campaign for President while sitting in Club Fed......

Even if what you say is true, which I doubt, surely other people can campaign for him. And as far as I can tell, there are no laws which would prohibit someone from being President due to criminal incarceration.

Depends what he's in prison for. If they get him for insurrection, he's barred from holding any federal or state office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

[WayNeacTia]

Even if what you say is true, which I doubt, surely other people can campaign for him. And as far as I can tell, there are no laws which would prohibit someone from being President due to criminal incarceration.

Depends what he's in prison for. If they get him for insurrection, he's barred from holding any federal or state office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

That's what they are going for. Personally I really don't think it will do anything but inflame things further. They need to cut a deal with Donny, not to run for President and for him to shut the fuck up and move to some far away island, in exchange for dropping this whole thing.

[American Legionaries]

Even if what you say is true, which I doubt, surely other people can campaign for him. And as far as I can tell, there are no laws which would prohibit someone from being President due to criminal incarceration.

Depends what he's in prison for. If they get him for insurrection, he's barred from holding any federal or state office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

If he ever sees the inside of a prison cell, I highly doubt it'll be on insurrection charges.

I think the most likely scenario is he never sees prison, with the second place spot being he gets Capone'd on some technical charge.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

A lot of Democrats criticise the Republicans for talking about fraud. Have they ever read the 1880 Democratic platform? The Democrats are no stranger to baseless accusations of fraud (of course, there is more recent proof of this: like the fact almost half of Democrats thought Russia hacked the voting machines in 2016 to make Trump win). Of course, this could go the other way. Constantly yapping on about FRAUD!, the Democrats lost the 1880 election even with a strong candidate. Perhaps Republicans should remember this.