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Catholic America
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Postby Catholic America » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:27 am

New haven america wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
If Biden hadn't killed all the pipelines that transport oil to be turned into natural gas, if Biden didn't make clear that there would be no new drilling in the US. If Biden didn't reject all new oil leases. Gas would not be 5 dollars a gallon by me.

Biden has made it clear he regards the fossil fuel industry as evil and will not support any investment in it. Sad to say without investment no new oil gets produced and since that makes demand outstrip supply the price goes up. Biden isn't responsible for the entire increase in gas prices, but he and the democratic party are responsible for a pretty good chunk of it.

TBH, given your beliefs you should be fucking trilled about oil prices right now.

The oil barons are making record profits off of the average American for their own individual gain, as you believe they rightfully should, because if you didn't then that'd mean supporting sOcIaLiSm.

So, you see Ethel, the system is working exactly as you want it to, and you can't fucking complain because that goes against your ideologies of fiscal conservatism and rugged individualism.

I detect a little communism

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Neon Lunar Eclipse
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Postby Neon Lunar Eclipse » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 am

Antipatros wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:OPEC is still a little gun shy at the moment as well. Who the hell knows when another major pandemic is going to break out and the world shuts down again.

I suppose if you could criticize Biden over one thing: He hasn't managed relations with the Saudis as well as he could have.

Trump was quite good at horse trading with them and pressuring them when needed. Of course, he happily sold out American values at the same time, but he was glad to do that because low oil prices were a key part of his domestic political strategy.


Sometimes in politics it is necessary to be pragmatic. Trump understood this. Biden does not.
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Wayneactia
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:57 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So when are the gas prices going to come down?

We’re sitting at $8.85 a gallon right now.

It's $6.289 in Los Angeles, who has us beat?

$2.06 a litre and remember there is four litres to a gallon.
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Emotional Support Crocodile
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:00 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:It's $6.289 in Los Angeles, who has us beat?

$2.06 a litre and remember there is four litres to a gallon.


4.5 litres to a gallon in the UK
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Vassenor
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:24 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:$2.06 a litre and remember there is four litres to a gallon.


4.5 litres to a gallon in the UK


Yes but I was writing in US gallons when I did the conversion just to make the comparison easier.
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:32 am

Vassenor wrote:
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
4.5 litres to a gallon in the UK


Yes but I was writing in US gallons when I did the conversion just to make the comparison easier.

In Canada four litres equals one gallon. That equates to $8.32 a gallon, and I live in the province with the cheapest gas. I wouldn't cry too much....
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 am

https://www.wfxrtv.com/news/gop-nominee ... -shooting/

GOP nominee for Illinois governor apologizes after calling for people to ‘move on’ after shooting

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Wayneactia
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:03 am

San Lumen wrote:https://www.wfxrtv.com/news/gop-nominee-for-illinois-governor-apologizes-after-calling-for-people-to-move-on-after-shooting/

GOP nominee for Illinois governor apologizes after calling for people to ‘move on’ after shooting

The GOP will never fail to amaze me. They can light themselves on fire and the Dems just sit around the fire and toast marshmallows instead of jumping on these opritunites.
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:05 am

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... -practice/

Trump-backed GOP candidate in Michigan compared abortion to satanic practice

Kristina Karamo, a community college professor and former poll worker who claimed to witness election fraud during the 2020 presidential election, made the comments during an episode of her podcast “It’s Solid Food” in October 2020.

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Catholic America
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Postby Catholic America » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:07 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3546345-trump-backed-gop-candidate-in-michigan-compared-abortion-to-satanic-practice/

Trump-backed GOP candidate in Michigan compared abortion to satanic practice

Kristina Karamo, a community college professor and former poll worker who claimed to witness election fraud during the 2020 presidential election, made the comments during an episode of her podcast “It’s Solid Food” in October 2020.

Immoral and nasty, sure. Satanic? nope.
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Wayneactia
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:09 am

Catholic America wrote:Immoral and nasty, sure.

In your opinion. Perhaps you should qualify your statements?
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Catholic America
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Postby Catholic America » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:11 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Catholic America wrote:Immoral and nasty, sure.

In your opinion. Perhaps you should qualify your statements?

No I wont, as ive already learned that nobody here is switching sides or even taking the other side seriously.
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Wayneactia
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:15 am

Catholic America wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:In your opinion. Perhaps you should qualify your statements?

No I wont, as ive already learned that nobody here is switching sides or even taking the other side seriously.

I would love a frank discussion on the matter, without hearing the same bullshit rhetoric from either side. Why is it immoral or nasty, and I don't want to hear any religious or life begins at conception arguments.
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:18 am

Catholic America wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:In your opinion. Perhaps you should qualify your statements?

No I wont, as ive already learned that nobody here is switching sides or even taking the other side seriously.


If you want us to take your views seriously maybe you should give us a reason to take them seriously by actually explaining what they are.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:18 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Catholic America wrote:No I wont, as ive already learned that nobody here is switching sides or even taking the other side seriously.

I would love a frank discussion on the matter, without hearing the same bullshit rhetoric from either side. Why is it immoral or nasty, and I don't want to hear any religious or life begins at conception arguments.


But we should start there, because it's a biological fact that life begins at conception.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3211703

The real issue is when does legal protection kick in.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:22 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:I would love a frank discussion on the matter, without hearing the same bullshit rhetoric from either side. Why is it immoral or nasty, and I don't want to hear any religious or life begins at conception arguments.


But we should start there, because it's a biological fact that life begins at conception.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3211703

The real issue is when does legal protection kick in.


I realize now I should have put the article in the abortion thread.

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Wayneactia
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:23 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:I would love a frank discussion on the matter, without hearing the same bullshit rhetoric from either side. Why is it immoral or nasty, and I don't want to hear any religious or life begins at conception arguments.


But we should start there, because it's a biological fact that life begins at conception.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3211703

The real issue is when does legal protection kick in.

Does it though? Is a fertilized ovum a fully, self sustaining lifeform at that point? Could it survive outside the womb, without any support from the mother?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:26 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
But we should start there, because it's a biological fact that life begins at conception.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3211703

The real issue is when does legal protection kick in.

Does it though? Is a fertilized ovum a fully, self sustaining lifeform at that point? Could it survive outside the womb, without any support from the mother?


i didn't mean to turn this into a thread about abortion. The thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=520372&start=3175

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:27 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
But we should start there, because it's a biological fact that life begins at conception.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3211703

The real issue is when does legal protection kick in.

Does it though

Yes, as the paper I posted there affirms the consensus.

Is a fertilized ovum a fully, self sustaining lifeform at that point? Could it survive outside the womb, without any support from the mother


None of that is relevant to the question of "when does life begins," from a scientific standpoint.

Those are question of viability which Roe created as the standard until Casey expanded.
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:27 am

I'll say that I'm a "moderate" on the issue of abortion. A fetus is a human being , it has the genetic material of a human and develops human traits. It may not be conscious, but has the potential to become a sentient being.
Therefor abortion is murder comparable to killing s mentally disabled elder. However, the mother should have the privilege of removing life when the fetus has deformities or is the result of nonconsentual relationships.

I hate saying "Both sides", but my view is that such a complex topic can't be simplified.
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Postby Communal concils » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:28 am

San Lumen wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Does it though? Is a fertilized ovum a fully, self sustaining lifeform at that point? Could it survive outside the womb, without any support from the mother?


i didn't mean to turn this into a thread about abortion. The thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=520372&start=3175


That's okay, abortion is a major part of American politics. We aren't off-topic.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:30 am

San Lumen wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Does it though? Is a fertilized ovum a fully, self sustaining lifeform at that point? Could it survive outside the womb, without any support from the mother?


i didn't mean to turn this into a thread about abortion. The thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=520372&start=3175


I'm not wading into that cesspool.
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Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:32 am

Communal concils wrote:I'll say that I'm a "moderate" on the issue of abortion. A fetus is a human being , it has the genetic material of a human and develops human traits. It may not be conscious, but has the potential to become a sentient being.
Therefor abortion is murder comparable to killing s mentally disabled elder. However, the mother should have the privilege of removing life when the fetus has deformities or is the result of nonconsentual relationships.

I hate saying "Both sides", but my view is that such a complex topic can't be simplified.



My opinion on abortion is really that I don't know. My world view is informed by multiple epistomolgies that are in conflict on the matter. I used to be ardently pro-life, but I guess if i had to put a pin in it, I'd be categorized as pro-choice, but like 00's pro-choice.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Catholic America » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:33 am

Vassenor wrote:
Catholic America wrote:No I wont, as ive already learned that nobody here is switching sides or even taking the other side seriously.


If you want us to take your views seriously maybe you should give us a reason to take them seriously by actually explaining what they are.

Ok I will. Prepare for a very long post.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:36 am

Communal concils wrote:I'll say that I'm a "moderate" on the issue of abortion. A fetus is a human being , it has the genetic material of a human and develops human traits. It may not be conscious, but has the potential to become a sentient being.Therefor abortion is murder comparable to killing s mentally disabled elder.


That's a rather big leap of logic.. you are missing a few steps.
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