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Postby Kowani » Wed May 18, 2022 9:25 am

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Postby Blargoblarg » Wed May 18, 2022 9:28 am

Page wrote:Has our 52 - 48 Republican majority Senate codified Roe yet? Rhetorical question, obviously not.

They didn't do it during the several years that they had the majority for the past 50 years. Dems love to use Roe to fundraise and scare more gullible liberals into voting for them, rather than actually doing something to help working class people.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 18, 2022 9:28 am

Kowani wrote:(Image)

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Donald playing the hits.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed May 18, 2022 9:51 am

Kowani wrote:(Image)

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Why?…

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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed May 18, 2022 9:52 am

Is trump back on twatter?

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 18, 2022 9:55 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:Is trump back on twatter?

That's presumably from his own social media site. I forget the name. Truth something? Truther?

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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed May 18, 2022 10:00 am

Ifreann wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Is trump back on twatter?

That's presumably from his own social media site. I forget the name. Truth something? Truther?

Truth social? I see.

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Postby Zurkerx » Wed May 18, 2022 10:26 am

A new Watchdog report says Trump and Biden administration decisions drove collapse of Afghan security forces. It also casted significant blame on former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who was reportedly described as being paranoid (he believed the West would remove him) and lack of planning contributed to the fall of the country's armed forces. He was profoundly ignorant too on the State of the Afghan Military. He replaced young officers with loyalists dubbed as "Old guard of Communists", including in the final week before the Taliban took over the country. That changed played a significant role in the fall of the country.

However, it's more than that. Trump and Biden's decisions demoralized the Afghan Military. This included the Doha deal Trump signed with the Taliban, which led to a significant reduction in US airstrikes against the Taliban. Biden's commitment to uphold the deal, which was deeply flawed, led to a disastrous implementation due to poor planning and well, a terrible deal. The goals were even too difficult to obtain and implemented metrics that showed success but didn't address the real problems:

The US repeatedly set goals for the Afghan military that were unattainable, implemented metrics that delivered success while obfuscating the real problems and poured resources into solutions that only exacerbated the issues they were meant to fix.

Unfortunately for Biden, he will likely get the majority of the blame despite a multitude of factors, some of which weren't his fault.
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Postby Adamede » Wed May 18, 2022 10:52 am

Zurkerx wrote:A new Watchdog report says Trump and Biden administration decisions drove collapse of Afghan security forces. It also casted significant blame on former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who was reportedly described as being paranoid (he believed the West would remove him) and lack of planning contributed to the fall of the country's armed forces. He was profoundly ignorant too on the State of the Afghan Military. He replaced young officers with loyalists dubbed as "Old guard of Communists", including in the final week before the Taliban took over the country. That changed played a significant role in the fall of the country.

However, it's more than that. Trump and Biden's decisions demoralized the Afghan Military. This included the Doha deal Trump signed with the Taliban, which led to a significant reduction in US airstrikes against the Taliban. Biden's commitment to uphold the deal, which was deeply flawed, led to a disastrous implementation due to poor planning and well, a terrible deal. The goals were even too difficult to obtain and implemented metrics that showed success but didn't address the real problems:

The US repeatedly set goals for the Afghan military that were unattainable, implemented metrics that delivered success while obfuscating the real problems and poured resources into solutions that only exacerbated the issues they were meant to fix.

Unfortunately for Biden, he will likely get the majority of the blame despite a multitude of factors, some of which weren't his fault.

Yah that sounds about right. Still dumb of him to uphold the agreement and essentially castrate the ANA.
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed May 18, 2022 11:32 am

Zurkerx wrote:A new Watchdog report says Trump and Biden administration decisions drove collapse of Afghan security forces. It also casted significant blame on former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who was reportedly described as being paranoid (he believed the West would remove him) and lack of planning contributed to the fall of the country's armed forces. He was profoundly ignorant too on the State of the Afghan Military. He replaced young officers with loyalists dubbed as "Old guard of Communists", including in the final week before the Taliban took over the country. That changed played a significant role in the fall of the country.

However, it's more than that. Trump and Biden's decisions demoralized the Afghan Military. This included the Doha deal Trump signed with the Taliban, which led to a significant reduction in US airstrikes against the Taliban. Biden's commitment to uphold the deal, which was deeply flawed, led to a disastrous implementation due to poor planning and well, a terrible deal. The goals were even too difficult to obtain and implemented metrics that showed success but didn't address the real problems:

The US repeatedly set goals for the Afghan military that were unattainable, implemented metrics that delivered success while obfuscating the real problems and poured resources into solutions that only exacerbated the issues they were meant to fix.

Unfortunately for Biden, he will likely get the majority of the blame despite a multitude of factors, some of which weren't his fault.


Interesting. I think a veteran got kicked off of OAN or Newsmax because he pointed out Trump’s deal in Doha and the anchor got mad.

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Postby Pre-Christian Persecuted People » Wed May 18, 2022 11:32 am

Democrats: 2020 election the safest yet, no frauds done, Trump wants to take power and destroy democracy *hires Twitter, Facebook, YouTube to start cancelling people questioning elections and cancels trump*

Also Democrats: 2016 election was interference by Russia. Election fraud. TRUMP NOT MY PRESIDENT!!!!

That about sums it up for American politics and democrats.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed May 18, 2022 11:33 am

Pre-Christian Persecuted People wrote:Democrats: 2020 election the safest yet, no frauds done, Trump wants to take power and destroy democracy *hires Twitter, Facebook, YouTube to start cancelling people questioning elections and cancels trump*

Also Democrats: 2016 election was interference by Russia. Election fraud. TRUMP NOT MY PRESIDENT!!!!

That about sums it up for American politics and democrats.


Who claimed election fraud in 2016?
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Wed May 18, 2022 11:44 am

Pre-Christian Persecuted People wrote:Democrats: 2020 election the safest yet, no frauds done, Trump wants to take power and destroy democracy *hires Twitter, Facebook, YouTube to start cancelling people questioning elections and cancels trump*

Also Democrats: 2016 election was interference by Russia. Election fraud. TRUMP NOT MY PRESIDENT!!!!

That about sums it up for American politics and democrats.


Both 2020 and the 2016 elections were free and fair. However, only one group of people stormed the capital to overturn the election and it wasn’t Hillary supporters.

Before you bring up the antifa riots, I’ve always condemned it. Feel free to ask anyone on this site.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed May 18, 2022 11:50 am

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Pre-Christian Persecuted People wrote:Democrats: 2020 election the safest yet, no frauds done, Trump wants to take power and destroy democracy *hires Twitter, Facebook, YouTube to start cancelling people questioning elections and cancels trump*

Also Democrats: 2016 election was interference by Russia. Election fraud. TRUMP NOT MY PRESIDENT!!!!

That about sums it up for American politics and democrats.


Both 2020 and the 2016 elections were free and fair. However, only one group of people stormed the capital to overturn the election and it wasn’t Hillary supporters.

Before you bring up the antifa riots, I’ve always condemned it. Feel free to ask anyone on this site.


Ngl, it would have been cooler if they did.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 18, 2022 11:50 am

Kowani wrote:(Image)

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed May 18, 2022 11:52 am

American Legionaries wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
Both 2020 and the 2016 elections were free and fair. However, only one group of people stormed the capital to overturn the election and it wasn’t Hillary supporters.

Before you bring up the antifa riots, I’ve always condemned it. Feel free to ask anyone on this site.


Ngl, it would have been cooler if they did.


No. Just… no.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed May 18, 2022 12:07 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
Both 2020 and the 2016 elections were free and fair. However, only one group of people stormed the capital to overturn the election and it wasn’t Hillary supporters.

Before you bring up the antifa riots, I’ve always condemned it. Feel free to ask anyone on this site.


Ngl, it would have been cooler if they did.

It would’ve been cooler if it was a March of a million people on the capital instead of a bunch of idiots wasting our shot at change
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 18, 2022 12:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Ngl, it would have been cooler if they did.

It would’ve been cooler if it was a March of a million people on the capital instead of a bunch of idiots wasting our shot at change


A change of what?

Do you think Trump could get a million to go to Washington?…..then again…in his mind a thousand people is a million.
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Postby American Legionaries » Wed May 18, 2022 12:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Ngl, it would have been cooler if they did.

It would’ve been cooler if it was a March of a million people on the capital instead of a bunch of idiots wasting our shot at change


The fact that we managed to get what we did get because Trump is embarrassing

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed May 18, 2022 12:28 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It would’ve been cooler if it was a March of a million people on the capital instead of a bunch of idiots wasting our shot at change


A change of what?

The entire system. The fact that poor people are punished severely for being poor and getting chucked in prison because they can’t afford high paying lawyers.

The fact that the rich get away with almost everything yet for us we get prison time.

Do you think Trump could get a million to go to Washington?…..then again…in his mind a thousand people is a million.

No I’m saying that a million Americans irrespective of Trump should have marched on the capital yet what we got was a rabble of Trumps fan club.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 18, 2022 12:36 pm

https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/05/18/ ... -of-state/

Ada County Clerk Phil McGrane has won the Republican primary nomination for Idaho secretary of state over Rep. Dorothy Moon. Moon supports the Big Lie and mace outlandish claims such as Canadians voted in state elections.

McGrane will face Shawn Keenan, state committeeman of the Kootenai County Democrats.
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Postby Corrian » Wed May 18, 2022 1:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/05/18/ada-county-clerk-wins-republican-nomination-for-idaho-secretary-of-state/

Ada County Clerk Phil McGrane has won the Republican primary nomination for Idaho secretary of state over Rep. Dorothy Moon. Moon supports the Big Lie and mace outlandish claims such as Canadians voted in state elections.

McGrane will face Shawn Keenan, state committeeman of the Kootenai County Democrats.

Sounds like the extremist right in Idaho is having a bad election.
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 18, 2022 1:07 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 18, 2022 1:17 pm

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/wir ... e-84807236

5-term Idaho attorney general Lawrence Wasden loses in GOP primary battle

Former U.S. Rep. Raul Labrador has won Idaho’s GOP attorney general primary, beating the longtime incumbent who had been criticized by the far right for not taking a more activist role

He will easily prevail over Steve Scanlin the Democratic nominee.

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Postby Corrian » Wed May 18, 2022 1:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/wireStory/term-idaho-attorney-general-loses-gop-primary-battle-84807236

5-term Idaho attorney general Lawrence Wasden loses in GOP primary battle

Former U.S. Rep. Raul Labrador has won Idaho’s GOP attorney general primary, beating the longtime incumbent who had been criticized by the far right for not taking a more activist role

He will easily prevail over Steve Scanlin the Democratic nominee.

Is this a win for the Idaho far right?
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