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Postby Kannap » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sutalia wrote:Democrats could have chosen someone better in the primary.


And this is why Democrats lose. Republicans vote no matter what.

Republicans fall in line Democrats fall in love.


Got evidence to back up that claim?
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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:05 pm

Thomasi wrote:states should enact anti Karen laws that impose civil penalties for people who go out of their way to get involved in things that are none of their business. Allowing the "victim" to claim up to $250 for every offense.


Don't need laws. Just shame and humiliate Karens in public and on viral feeds, which is exactly what already happens.
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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:05 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And this is why Democrats lose. Republicans vote no matter what.

Republicans fall in line Democrats fall in love.


Got evidence to back up that claim?


Yeah, I made the mistake of voting for Biden, but I never fell in love with the bastard.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:20 pm

Daniel-Franklin wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Got evidence to back up that claim?


Yeah, I made the mistake of voting for Biden, but I never fell in love with the bastard.


Mistake? because trump would be so much better?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:20 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And this is why Democrats lose. Republicans vote no matter what.

Republicans fall in line Democrats fall in love.


Got evidence to back up that claim?


If democrats showed up in midterms in 2010 and 2014 they might not have lost so many seats or congress nor lost so many state legislatures.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Got evidence to back up that claim?


If democrats showed up in midterms in 2010 and 2014 they might not have lost so many seats or congress nor lost so many state legislatures.


Soooo? They should vote for them because they are democrats?

Maybe they should put up people who are actually interesting?….
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sutalia wrote:Democrats could have chosen someone better in the primary.


And this is why Democrats lose. Republicans vote no matter what.

Republicans fall in line Democrats fall in love.


There is a slight grain of truth to that, but honestly, I think the modern GOP has a lot of its base "in love" with candidates (IE Trump, DeSantis, etc). The NYT put out a poll today indicating that something like 64% of Dems would prefer to ditch Biden, and yet 92% of them would still vote for him over a Republican. That tells me that many Dems fall in line, because we hate how spineless our party is and still know that the alternative is far worse. It often reminds me of that overused Simpsons meme.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Got evidence to back up that claim?


If democrats showed up in midterms in 2010 and 2014 they might not have lost so many seats or congress nor lost so many state legislatures.

Clear proof that the problem with Democrats is that they fall in love. They were so in love with Obama in 2010 that they didn't vote, because when you're in love you don't vote, like how they were in love with Obama in 2008 and won him the presidency.
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Postby Thomasi » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:49 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If democrats showed up in midterms in 2010 and 2014 they might not have lost so many seats or congress nor lost so many state legislatures.


Soooo? They should vote for them because they are democrats?

Maybe they should put up people who are actually interesting?….


Yes and anyone who doesn't vote for their democratic nominees is actively aiding in the destruction of democracy.

Lets put it this way, the GOP wins the 2023/2024 house and senate, the democrats win the presidential election, the GOP congress refuses to certify the election and throws it to the house and senate, they vote for themselves, democracy is dead!

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:50 pm

Thomasi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Soooo? They should vote for them because they are democrats?

Maybe they should put up people who are actually interesting?….


Yes and anyone who doesn't vote for their democratic nominees is actively aiding in the destruction of democracy.

Lets put it this way, the GOP wins the 2023/2024 house and senate, the democrats win the presidential election, the GOP congress refuses to certify the election and throws it to the house and senate, they vote for themselves, democracy is dead!


Which party are you running for again?
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* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Thomasi » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:51 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
Yes and anyone who doesn't vote for their democratic nominees is actively aiding in the destruction of democracy.

Lets put it this way, the GOP wins the 2023/2024 house and senate, the democrats win the presidential election, the GOP congress refuses to certify the election and throws it to the house and senate, they vote for themselves, democracy is dead!


Which party are you running for again?


Democrat party.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:52 pm

Thomasi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Which party are you running for again?


Democrat party.

Then get the name right, it's the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:53 pm

Thomasi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Soooo? They should vote for them because they are democrats?

Maybe they should put up people who are actually interesting?….


Yes and anyone who doesn't vote for their democratic nominees is actively aiding in the destruction of democracy.

Lets put it this way, the GOP wins the 2023/2024 house and senate, the democrats win the presidential election, the GOP congress refuses to certify the election and throws it to the house and senate, they vote for themselves, democracy is dead!

Don't worry, they'll have their state legislatures declare Trump the victor of their state before it even gets to Congress.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Got evidence to back up that claim?


If democrats showed up in midterms in 2010 and 2014 they might not have lost so many seats or congress nor lost so many state legislatures.


I don't have information in front of me on those elections years and cannot say anything on them, but I'll point out that your statement isn't evidence and I'm not just going to take your word for it.
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Got evidence to back up that claim?


If democrats showed up in midterms in 2010 and 2014 they might not have lost so many seats or congress nor lost so many state legislatures.


Well, I for one voted in both those elections.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
North Jus Intius wrote:Do you agree with Rage Against The Machine's recent statement that we should abort SCOTUS? I do, since it appears that conservatives have it on lockdown at this point.


Music bands are political commentators now too?

Their guitarist has a degree in political science from Harvard...

I mean, aside from that band being political at inception. Not sure what you thought the machine they were raging against was. But then Paul Ryan tried to be relatable by saying he was a fan of the band prompting them to stress that Paul Ryan was part of the machine they were raging against.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:19 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Music bands are political commentators now too?

Their guitarist has a degree in political science from Harvard...

I mean, aside from that band being political at inception. Not sure what you thought the machine they were raging against was. But then Paul Ryan tried to be relatable by saying he was a fan of the band prompting them to stress that Paul Ryan was part of the machine they were raging against.

So Ryan sent them each a copy of Atlas Shrugged with a personal note from him on the flyleaf.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:20 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:American Politics Thread XII: Anyone I dislike is a lib


Meh. Too obvious. Might as well add:

American Politics Thread XII: Anyone I dislike is a con.

I've been called antifa because I pointed out that EV battery packs are in fact recyclable.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:21 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:Wouldn’t a more effective way to reduce abortion be to address the systemic issues and causes of why people consider it?

Well, do you want to effect change or moralize. If the former, yes, if the latter no.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:23 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
I’m aware what Paul says, especially to the Galatians. The main reason why American baby boys are circumcised is because of health and hygienic reasons. Although, there is some controversy and debate about that claim.


And that's complete bs. Uncircumcized penises are not any less clean than otherwise, and "health" is complete bullshit as again there's nothing unhealthy about having a un-mutilated genitalia. The real reason American hospitals still do that is cultural overflow from the 19th century where they thought it'd stop masturbation.

Nope, just made it require accessories.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:27 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
And if you read your Bible, that's not a reason to continue the practice.


I’m aware what Paul says, especially to the Galatians. The main reason why American baby boys are circumcised is because of health and hygienic reasons. Although, there is some controversy and debate about that claim.

No, the main reason is because a cereal mogul was obsessed with kid's masturbating and wanted them to pray instead.

He's also the reason why vegetarian food in America is so shit compared to India or Africa, because he believed bland food was an anti-aphrodisiac and wanted all Americans to be vegetarians so they'd only fuck for reproductive purposes and never for anything else.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:27 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Wouldn’t a more effective way to reduce abortion be to address the systemic issues and causes of why people consider it?

Well, do you want to effect change or moralize. If the former, yes, if the latter no.


Change.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:29 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Meh. Too obvious. Might as well add:

American Politics Thread XII: Anyone I dislike is a con.

I've been called antifa because I pointed out that EV battery packs are in fact recyclable.


Really?
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:31 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Their guitarist has a degree in political science from Harvard...

I mean, aside from that band being political at inception. Not sure what you thought the machine they were raging against was. But then Paul Ryan tried to be relatable by saying he was a fan of the band prompting them to stress that Paul Ryan was part of the machine they were raging against.

So Ryan sent them each a copy of Atlas Shrugged with a personal note from him on the flyleaf.


The only person I ever met who was an outspoken Rage Against the Machine fan was a fellow cadet at the police academy. He's a guard at a maximum security prison, now, and he also still wears Rage t-shirts pretty much every day he's not in uniform.

I always found it a bit ironic.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:32 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If democrats showed up in midterms in 2010 and 2014 they might not have lost so many seats or congress nor lost so many state legislatures.


Well, I for one voted in both those elections.


If only every state was as blue as California.

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