American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[Vassenor]

Define "grateful". And without resorting to "well Trump said it so it must be true".

They don't pay the NATO 2%

I said without resorting to "Trump said it so it must be true".

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Define "grateful". And without resorting to "well Trump said it so it must be true".

They don't pay the NATO 2%

If they want or need American Protection, Make Them Pay $ More, and Trump is right.

[Ifreann]

Define "grateful". And without resorting to "well Trump said it so it must be true".

They don't pay the NATO 2%

What does that have to do with being grateful?

[Port Caverton]

They don't pay the NATO 2%

I said without resorting to "Trump said it so it must be true".

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/3/pdf/220331-def-exp-2021-en.pdf

[HISPIDA]

aaaaaaaand just like that, school prayer is back

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

They don't pay the NATO 2%

If they want or need American Protection, let them Pay $ more, and Trump is right.

Define "grateful". And without resorting to "well Trump said it so it must be true".

They don't pay the NATO 2%

and they are not grateful for it.

We are not your tributary states and you are not the Ming Dynasty.

[Catholic America]

Its all george jrs fault

Technically it began with Barry Goldwater but didn’t really begin until Reagan.

Had the Republicans fully embraced Liberal Conservatism or an American version of Benjamin Disraeli’s One Nation Conservatism I might be a Republican.

Its George juniors fault because he invaded iraq. The failures of the iraq invasion killed neoconservatism and interventionalism in mainstream american politics. You can even aruge that the rise of trumpism was a result George Jr's failures.

[Catholic America]

They don't pay the NATO 2%

I said without resorting to "Trump said it so it must be true".

Trumpists fanatical following of trump is almost scary. Trumpism has some good points, but the stupidity of the "Trump said it so it must be true" makes is unattractive to the independents and moderates.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Technically it began with Barry Goldwater but didn’t really begin until Reagan.

Had the Republicans fully embraced Liberal Conservatism or an American version of Benjamin Disraeli’s One Nation Conservatism I might be a Republican.

Its George juniors fault because he invaded iraq. The failures of the iraq invasion killed neoconservatism and interventionalism in mainstream american politics. You can even aruge that the rise of trumpism was a result George Jr's failures.

Yes. Though I’m talking Rockefeller Republicans not Neocons.

[Diuhon]

aaaaaaaand just like that, school prayer is back

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

they'll be deciding on a case that touches upon nyt v sullivan today, so i dunno

i dunno

[The Jamesian Republic]

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

they'll be deciding on a case that touches upon nyt v sullivan today, so i dunno

i dunno

So the Lord’s Prayer is back in school?

[Galloism]

aaaaaaaand just like that, school prayer is back

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Not quite.

Basically, he was leading students in prayer, the district told him to knock it off. He did.

He then prayed by himself (on the 50 yard line) without leading students or anyone else in prayer, and the district fired him for praying by himself even though he wasn't leading anyone in prayer or enforcing or even recommending that anyone pray with him.

The situation is definitely sus, but it doesn't bring back school prayer.

[Skelly Man Dan]

Not me.

Good for you. Too bad it’s taken the majority of the party.

I miss Nelson Rockefeller and I wasn’t even alive in that era.

Eh, GMS has said in the past that he wants a full blockade of Cuba, including basic necessities. He also isn’t bothered by a war to overthrow its government.

The GOP has been swinging between “invade countries we don’t like” and “we don’t feel like honoring our commitments” like a pendulum, so I’d be careful even if a supporter doesn’t fit in one of those categories.

[The Jamesian Republic]

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Not quite.

Basically, he was leading students in prayer, the district told him to knock it off. He did.

He then prayed by himself (on the 50 yard line) without leading students or anyone else in prayer, and the district fired him for praying by himself even though he wasn't leading anyone in prayer or enforcing or even recommending that anyone pray with him.

The situation is definitely sus, but it doesn't bring back school prayer.

Thanks for the clarification

[Diuhon]

they'll be deciding on a case that touches upon nyt v sullivan today, so i dunno

i dunno

So the Lord’s Prayer is back in school?

yes

also all of us here might get sued for defaming trump at this point

[HISPIDA]

Technically it began with Barry Goldwater but didn’t really begin until Reagan.

Had the Republicans fully embraced Liberal Conservatism or an American version of Benjamin Disraeli’s One Nation Conservatism I might be a Republican.

Its George juniors fault because he invaded iraq. The failures of the iraq invasion killed neoconservatism and interventionalism in mainstream american politics. You can even aruge that the rise of trumpism was a result George Jr's failures.

the rise of trumpism is a direct result of nobody's failures but the rise of modern neoliberalism as a whole tbh

the election of 1980 is probably the second most important election in american history* imo because it fundamentally changed the party system

no longer were goldwaterite republicans on the backseat and a vocal minority, they were now THE republicans, THE patriots. it also changed the democratic party into the socially liberal-ish milquetoast party it is today, because evangelical blue dog conservatism wasn't working anymore now that carter was out. the election of 1980 alongside thatcher's rise in the UK changed a lot of the global political scene

*after 1860

[The Jamesian Republic]

Good for you. Too bad it’s taken the majority of the party.

I miss Nelson Rockefeller and I wasn’t even alive in that era.

Eh, GMS has said in the past that he wants a full blockade of Cuba, including basic necessities. He also isn’t bothered by a war to overthrow its government.

The GOP has been swinging between “invade countries we don’t like” and “we don’t feel like honoring our commitments” like a pendulum, so I’d be careful even if a supporter doesn’t fit in one of those categories.

Okay. Noted.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

I said without resorting to "Trump said it so it must be true".

Trumpists fanatical following of trump is almost scary. Trumpism has some good points, but the stupidity of the "Trump said it so it must be true" makes is unattractive to the independents and moderates.

The only Persons who say - Trump said it so it must be true" Are Leftist, Liberal, Democrat, Progressives, real Leftists as Therm calls them and anti Trump Republicans, they learned these terms, from the Leftist, Democrat, Politicians, VIPs and Leftist Media, anti Republicans, anti Trump, Talking Points.

[Galloism]

Not quite.

Basically, he was leading students in prayer, the district told him to knock it off. He did.

He then prayed by himself (on the 50 yard line) without leading students or anyone else in prayer, and the district fired him for praying by himself even though he wasn't leading anyone in prayer or enforcing or even recommending that anyone pray with him.

The situation is definitely sus, but it doesn't bring back school prayer.

Thanks for the clarification

You're welcome.

Actual decision is here.

I'm still reading, but both sides make some pretty good points. I think I lean more towards the dissent because of money, ironically enough (something the dissent brought out). He was being paid by the state when he prayed by himself publicly - it wasn't on a break or a period where he wasn't being paid, and thus he could be reasonably be seen as still being a representative of the state while praying.

But... admittedly, that's hard to square with the notion that Congress still opens with prayer (IIRC). But I also don't like that.

[Catholic America]

Its George juniors fault because he invaded iraq. The failures of the iraq invasion killed neoconservatism and interventionalism in mainstream american politics. You can even aruge that the rise of trumpism was a result George Jr's failures.

Yes. Though I’m talking Rockefeller Republicans not Neocons.

Rockerfeller Republicanism is deader than neoconservatism

[Mossadeghist Iran]

Yes. Though I’m talking Rockefeller Republicans not Neocons.

Rockerfeller Republicanism is deader than neoconservatism

True. Nelson Rockefeller wasn't perfect, but he was saner than any modern Republican.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Thanks for the clarification

You're welcome.

Actual decision is here.

I'm still reading, but both sides make some pretty good points.

In this case the people screaming no can relax a little bit.

[Galloism]

You're welcome.

Actual decision is here.

I'm still reading, but both sides make some pretty good points.

In this case the people screaming no can relax a little bit.

I think I lean more towards the dissent because of money, ironically enough (something the dissent brought out). He was being paid by the state when he prayed by himself publicly - it wasn't on a break or a period where he wasn't being paid, and thus he could be reasonably be seen as still being a representative of the state while praying.

But... admittedly, that's hard to square with the notion that Congress still opens with prayer (IIRC). But I also don't like that.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Yes. Though I’m talking Rockefeller Republicans not Neocons.

Rockerfeller Republicanism is deader than neoconservatism

I know. Reagan killed it.

Rockerfeller Republicanism is deader than neoconservatism

True. Nelson Rockefeller wasn't perfect, but he was saner than any modern Republican.

Nobody is. But he’s a breath of fresh air compared to the modern day candidates

[HISPIDA]

Rockerfeller Republicanism is deader than neoconservatism

True. Nelson Rockefeller wasn't perfect, but he was saner than any modern Republican.

fuck it he was saner than any modern politician

i dislike him a lot but i would rather take rockefeller over literally anybody in the modern political scene outside of like maybe AOC but even then i don't like AOC that much either