American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

I never said that.

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

you forgot to add these:

Democrats are socialist
Democrats are trying to destroy America
Democrats are promoting racist ideas
Democrats are trying to kill children

[The Black Forrest]

that is your opinion, and regardless it wasn't the point. If you're trying to get people to care about the things you care about, ridiculing them for the things they care about is going to have the exact opposite effect.

Leftists seem to have difficulty in this.

You forget the right as well.

[The Jamesian Republic]

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

you forgot to add these:

Democrats are socialist
Democrats are trying to destroy America
Democrats are promoting racist ideas
Democrats are trying to kill children

Republicans when it comes to Democrats
1 Democrat winning an election = Existential Threat to America.

[The Black Forrest]

well that knife cuts both ways

I could agree, but i think the modern left considers civil nationalism or “the melting pot” standard is “racist/etc.

I’m getting the impression you are making things up or really don’t know what really is “the melting pot”.

[The Black Forrest]

Ah, new thread smell *deep sniff* mmmmm smells just like the landfill full of shit that is America.

Do you enjoy dodging with stupid nonsense as opposed to directly answering a question?

Obligatory "ironic"

Ohhhh I did miss that one. That is a case of

[The Black Forrest]

Prim said leftists, not the government.

And I assumed he was talking about American leftists, my bad I guess

Hmmmm. Not really in a sense. People who work in intelligence have different sets of politic views. The mind set was mainly keeping the country safe, etc. Now in the last few years?….Trump really did interject politics into that arena. Two guys I worked with and stayed in contact over the years. Took early retirement. One wouldn’t say why and the other said there were things I was asked to do; I found unacceptable. Our intelligence machine has taken a hit.

[The Black Forrest]

Ban book update.

America has a tradition about banning books. Especially in conservative areas. These days; the best way to get a book read? Ban it some where.

Such was the case of the graphic novel Maus.

It was one of those “I should read that some day” things. Saw it many times on the shelves.

Then there was the recent banning and that made me go “got to read it now”.

I ordered it though the evil amazon. Locals stores and comic book shops didn’t have it. I ordered in on March 9th and it just arrived.

[Umeria]

And I assumed he was talking about American leftists, my bad I guess

Hmmmm. Not really in a sense. People who work in intelligence have different sets of politic views. The mind set was mainly keeping the country safe, etc. Now in the last few years?….Trump really did interject politics into that arena. Two guys I worked with and stayed in contact over the years. Took early retirement. One wouldn’t say why and the other said there were things I was asked to do; I found unacceptable. Our intelligence machine has taken a hit.

I assure you that these institutions were already extremely political. Perhaps Trump was too extreme for them (my guess is he was just too overt), but that doesn't mean they were benevolent honest actors before him.

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmmm. Not really in a sense. People who work in intelligence have different sets of politic views. The mind set was mainly keeping the country safe, etc. Now in the last few years?….Trump really did interject politics into that arena. Two guys I worked with and stayed in contact over the years. Took early retirement. One wouldn’t say why and the other said there were things I was asked to do; I found unacceptable. Our intelligence machine has taken a hit.

I assure you that these institutions were already extremely political. Perhaps Trump was too extreme for them (my guess is he was just too overt), but that doesn't mean they were benevolent honest actors before him.

I used to be in the community. DoD. Sure there was politics. They were people after all. I rarely saw cases of doing things to make sure a particular party would win. Now if you want to go international? Sure there were “motivational” efforts to help people/parties would would favor the US.

As to them being the secret police?…..Hmmmmm……not there yet. Trump tried to a degree. Those people are slowly getting replaced as they tend to be not that good at their jobs. Anyway. Not suggesting they are this bastion of honor. I have come across some rather scary people in my career. One guy who I always remember said he would not have any hesitations to nuke a US city if it would save the country. Can’t say what the discussion content where the comment was made. It was the look in his eyes which bothered me.

[American Legionaries]

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

you forgot to add these:

Democrats are socialist
Democrats are trying to destroy America
Democrats are promoting racist ideas
Democrats are trying to kill children

Some of them call themselves this.
Opinions aren't lies.
They are.
If you mean in the context of abortion, they are.

[Port Caverton]

Lol. Assassinations aren’t anything new. All that would happen is that we’d re-experience the 60s and 70s.

Assassinations aren't new, but targeted mass assassination of local officials of the kind I'm talking about (government by assassination) hasn't been seen since like, Reconstruction, or maybe the heyday of the Chicago Outfit, and I expect it would be accompanied by a very 60s/70s US/20s/30s Japan targeting of higher officials as well. This would be a nationwide phenomenon, too; with modern communication and nationalized politics it wouldn't be constrained to one region. Obviously I'm not going to panic just because one or two Kennedys gets whacked, but I'm talking about the potential here for something much more menacingly Colombianized.

Besides leaving the US instead of trying and fighting for the survival of the US is the mark of a coward. If you truly believe that these people are trying to take over the US then deciding to leave when they attempt to do so let’s them win and makes you seem like someone who never cared in the first place

Ok, so I'm a coward then. If you can't see that they've already won, I don't really know what to tell you-- if immortal Thetis offered me a long and peaceful life of obscurity or a glorious death, I'd pick the former without hesitation, and it's not like I'm getting offers for the second thing anyways. I'm not history's main character, there's no obligation for me to try and go on some quixotic hero's journey that ruins my life and eventually gets me killed when I could be having a relatively much more pleasant and peaceful life somewhere overseas.

If they would have won already you would not be writing a comment like this on the internet

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

you forgot to add these:

Democrats are socialist
Democrats are trying to destroy America
Democrats are promoting racist ideas
Democrats are trying to kill children

Some of them call themselves this.
Opinions aren't lies.
They are.
If you mean in the context of abortion, they are.

assigning that to the party or its supporters in general doesn’t make sense, though.
obviously the Democrats aren’t intentionally trying to destroy the country
lol
a fetus is not a child.

[American Legionaries]

Some of them call themselves this.
Opinions aren't lies.
They are.
If you mean in the context of abortion, they are.

assigning that to the party or its supporters in general doesn’t make sense, though.
obviously the Democrats aren’t intentionally trying to destroy the country
lol
a fetus is not a child.

Perhaps not.
Is it obvious?
Lol, indeed...
Opinions are still not lies.

[Senkaku]

Assassinations aren't new, but targeted mass assassination of local officials of the kind I'm talking about (government by assassination) hasn't been seen since like, Reconstruction, or maybe the heyday of the Chicago Outfit, and I expect it would be accompanied by a very 60s/70s US/20s/30s Japan targeting of higher officials as well. This would be a nationwide phenomenon, too; with modern communication and nationalized politics it wouldn't be constrained to one region. Obviously I'm not going to panic just because one or two Kennedys gets whacked, but I'm talking about the potential here for something much more menacingly Colombianized.

Ok, so I'm a coward then. If you can't see that they've already won, I don't really know what to tell you-- if immortal Thetis offered me a long and peaceful life of obscurity or a glorious death, I'd pick the former without hesitation, and it's not like I'm getting offers for the second thing anyways. I'm not history's main character, there's no obligation for me to try and go on some quixotic hero's journey that ruins my life and eventually gets me killed when I could be having a relatively much more pleasant and peaceful life somewhere overseas.

If they would have won already you would not be writing a comment like this on the internet

Outline a realistic path for me by which the US avoids sliding headlong into a schizophrenic autocracy run by oligarchs and the far right, or outright disintegration into internal conflict, by the time my 20s are over. American democracy, short-lived and flawed as it’s been, is in its death throes, and our overseas empire is probably next. Even if I had truly world-historic levels of charisma and charm, and a political instinct that could go toe-to-toe with Augustus or FDR, which I don’t, I’m not convinced that it would be within my abilities to do anything to arrest either process.

I’ll also note, you and Therm haven’t even defined who “they” are or what they’re “winning,” but Christ almighty, this country can’t even supply parents with baby formula now— what exactly are you asking me to stick around for? As far as I know, your idea of “fighting for the survival of the US” consists of posting incoherent rants about the need to “fight for the survival of the US” here, which I can do just as well from Auckland or Bruges or wherever.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Some of them call themselves this.
Opinions aren't lies.
They are.
If you mean in the context of abortion, they are.

assigning that to the party or its supporters in general doesn’t make sense, though.
obviously the Democrats aren’t intentionally trying to destroy the country
lol
a fetus is not a child.

Yeah ex. Me. I’m not a socialist. Most socialists would not claim me. I love America racism is disgusting and I’m pro life (Though not eager to overturn Roe as that is not sufficient to help the situation)

[Prima Scriptura]

Why would it be funny if you were talking about me?

Revelations. As in Book of Revelation. As in Scripture. As in your username.

It falls apart a little because Revelations as in Book of Revelation is, it seems, an error. But I didn't know that then.

I still don’t get it

[Prima Scriptura]

I could agree, but i think the modern left considers civil nationalism or “the melting pot” standard is “racist/etc.

I’m getting the impression you are making things up or really don’t know what really is “the melting pot”.

Oh, you disagree that modern leftists regard civil nationalism/melting pot concepts as racist?

[Adamede]

Lol. The democrats don’t give a flying fuck about the environment. Some democrats might but the party overall would much rather simp for corporations

What makes you think they don't care? Do you and others ever get tired of the same old generalizations?

The fact that Biden is allowing the stripping of natural resources in national parks to continue, and that solidly Dem states suffer from many of the same environmental issues that solidly GOP states do.

[The Black Forrest]

I’m getting the impression you are making things up or really don’t know what really is “the melting pot”.

Oh, you disagree that modern leftists regard civil nationalism/melting pot concepts as racist?

I’m sorry. Was that an answer?

So you making things up or do you not understand the concept of the melting pot?

[The Jamesian Republic]

I’m getting the impression you are making things up or really don’t know what really is “the melting pot”.

Oh, you disagree that modern leftists regard civil nationalism/melting pot concepts as racist?

Isn’t the point of civic nationalism to be the opposite of ethnic nationalism?

[Prima Scriptura]

Oh, you disagree that modern leftists regard civil nationalism/melting pot concepts as racist?

I’m sorry. Was that an answer?

So you making things up or do you not understand the concept of the melting pot?

Let’s go with this definition, shall we?

The melting pot is a monocultural metaphor for a heterogeneous society becoming more homogeneous, the different elements "melting together" with a common culture; an alternative being a homogeneous society becoming more heterogeneous through the influx of foreign elements with different cultural backgrounds, possessing the potential to create disharmony within the previous culture. It can also create a harmonious hybridized society known as cultural amalgamation. Historically, it is often used to describe the cultural integration of immigrants to the United States.

Now, it is my opinion that the modern left views this as “racist”. It’s through their rhetoric and policy proposals that makes me come to this conclusion. Do you disagree with this opinion?

[Sordhau]

Democrats are socialist

Some of them call themselves this.

The ruling political party of China calls itself Communist while simultaneously running a country with the largest number of billionaires on the planet.

People claim to be part of the Left all the time. That doesn't mean they are.

[American Legionaries]

Some of them call themselves this.

The ruling political party of China calls itself Communist while simultaneously running a country with the largest number of billionaires on the planet.

People claim to be part of the Left all the time. That doesn't mean they are.

I frankly have no interest in correcting either group, if they insist on self-owning I'm going to go with it.

[Port Caverton]

If they would have won already you would not be writing a comment like this on the internet

Outline a realistic path for me by which the US avoids sliding headlong into a schizophrenic autocracy run by oligarchs and the far right, or outright disintegration into internal conflict, by the time my 20s are over. American democracy, short-lived and flawed as it’s been, is in its death throes, and our overseas empire is probably next. Even if I had truly world-historic levels of charisma and charm, and a political instinct that could go toe-to-toe with Augustus or FDR, which I don’t, I’m not convinced that it would be within my abilities to do anything to arrest either process.

I’ll also note, you and Therm haven’t even defined who “they” are or what they’re “winning,” but Christ almighty, this country can’t even supply parents with baby formula now— what exactly are you asking me to stick around for? As far as I know, your idea of “fighting for the survival of the US” consists of posting incoherent rants about the need to “fight for the survival of the US” here, which I can do just as well from Auckland or Bruges or wherever.

You underestimate the power of the MIC. They will never let right-wing populists carry their isolationist BS into government. Why do you think Trump went in with a nationalist rhetoric just to stay in forever wars and increase drone strikes? They're just gonna eventually sell out to the lockheed martin stock. Nothing will change except for the fact that abortion will be gone in some states. Plus the US is already an oligarchy.

Also the baby formula is short in stock because of an infection in it. They'll just increase imports and by June 27 the problem will be gone.

Like Therm said you don't actually care about anyone getting killed if you're just going to leave on whim (even thought it's pretty obvious that in the end you'll stay) to Belgium or New Zealand. You're just like those histrionic libs on Twitter that said that they would leave the US when trump got elected but never did. The US will continue on while you go on rants about how it "no no it will collapse this time and I will leave on a whim" rants. Man doomers truly suck.

[Umeria]

Let’s go with this definition, shall we?

The melting pot is a monocultural metaphor for a heterogeneous society becoming more homogeneous, the different elements "melting together" with a common culture; an alternative being a homogeneous society becoming more heterogeneous through the influx of foreign elements with different cultural backgrounds, possessing the potential to create disharmony within the previous culture. It can also create a harmonious hybridized society known as cultural amalgamation. Historically, it is often used to describe the cultural integration of immigrants to the United States.

Now, it is my opinion that the modern left views this as “racist”. It’s through their rhetoric and policy proposals that makes me come to this conclusion. Do you disagree with this opinion?

Policy proposals like what, Medicare for all? $15 minimum wage? Ending the wars? What left-wing policy has anything to do with cultural hegemony?