American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[Senkaku]

When? In high school? Halfway through my degree? In the middle of COVID lockdowns?

It should also be noted getting a degree makes being allowed to stay in another country generally easier.

Yeah if I’m going to emigrate I’d really prefer not to spend the rest of my life breaking my back digging ditches in Michoacán or something lol

[American Legionaries]

This doesn't even make sense, can't I show the stupid pieces of metal to children?

Do you enjoy dodging with stupid nonsense as opposed to directly answering a question?

Can't answer a question based on a flawed premise.

[Adamede]

In theory, but not really in practice. While Obergefell guarantees my right to marry a man, it's not anything I'll ever do. I'm physically unable of terminating my own pregnancy, and again wouldn't if I could. Etc. etc.

It's worth noting that this is entirely reversible as well, which would lead us to the question of why Democrats don't vote for 2A absolutists, because they would extend the right to own tanks and missiles to them as well, wouldn't they?

I would.

You'd be the vast minority in either party in that regard.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Do you enjoy dodging with stupid nonsense as opposed to directly answering a question?

Can't answer a question based on a flawed premise.

what was flawed about the premise?

[Adamede]

The Far-Right Is Doxxing Judges and Calling For Their Assassinations



But remember, the real threat is the people standing outside Kav's house trying to ask nicely to get him to keep abortion legal.

I fear it’s only a matter of time before we start seeing judges or elected officials get injured or assassinated.

TBH I was expecting more car bombings by now.

[American Legionaries]

If both sides result in environmental damage, how is my vote bad then?

Tell me, have you ever injured yourself?
And I mean, really, nastily injured yourself. Broken a bone, had a deep cut, etc.
What do you think would be better: having so much as basic first aid applied, or nothing? Perhaps even another injury on top of the first?

The message you're pushing is that one party results in notably superior outcomes for the environment. This isn't the case.

[San Lumen]

Do you enjoy dodging with stupid nonsense as opposed to directly answering a question?

Can't answer a question based on a flawed premise.

There is nothing flawed about it.

[Tarsonis]

This doesn't even make sense, can't I show the stupid pieces of metal to children?

Do you enjoy dodging with stupid nonsense as opposed to directly answering a question?

Did you ever stop to think that maybe if you want people to take your concerns seriously, you should maybe consider taking their concerns seriously too?

[Adamede]

Why?

Because my rights are more valuable than my enemies' rights. Presuming I even agree with what they're arguing is a right.

Then its not a right at all, its a privilege, and you wish to be among the privilieged class. Got a feeling you're not rich enough to be part of the modern aristocracy however.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Tell me, have you ever injured yourself?
And I mean, really, nastily injured yourself. Broken a bone, had a deep cut, etc.
What do you think would be better: having so much as basic first aid applied, or nothing? Perhaps even another injury on top of the first?

The message you're pushing is that one party results in notably superior outcomes for the environment. This isn't the case.

one party pushes environmental regulations. the other pushes climate denial.

[Senkaku]

I fear it’s only a matter of time before we start seeing judges or elected officials get injured or assassinated.

TBH I was expecting more car bombings by now.

We’ve already normalized rammings, but bombings are logistically and technically a lot harder and we have more security measures in place to help prevent them. People tend to kill with whatever’s handy if they can avoid having to do risky secret deals with obvious feds to buy detonators or whatever.

Tell me, have you ever injured yourself?
And I mean, really, nastily injured yourself. Broken a bone, had a deep cut, etc.
What do you think would be better: having so much as basic first aid applied, or nothing? Perhaps even another injury on top of the first?

The message you're pushing is that one party results in notably superior outcomes for the environment. This isn't the case.

You live in a universe where Obama introduced the fucking Clean Power Plan and Trump immediately killed it lmfao; the Democrats may not be saints but at least their stated policy isn’t to give additional priority over renewables to the fossil fuel sector and to slash as many regulations as possible that stand in the way of extraction and waste dumping

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Do you enjoy dodging with stupid nonsense as opposed to directly answering a question?

Did you ever stop to think that maybe if you want people to take your concerns seriously, you should maybe consider taking their concerns seriously too?

the state of the Earth is everyone’s concern, at least those who will still be living on it.

[Senkaku]

The message you're pushing is that one party results in notably superior outcomes for the environment. This isn't the case.

one party pushes environmental regulations. the other pushes climate denial.

One party expands oil and gas leases and lets a single senator block all meaningful climate action while greenwashing the shit out of the big banks’ dirty money; the other denies the fundamental physical principles that matter operates on, takes billions from the literal House of Saud, and actively cheers on excessively polluting activities for purely cultural reasons. I’ll still go with the former because at least they’re not a completely balls-to-the-wall insane suicide cult but let’s not give them too much credit please!

[Ngelmish]

Did you ever stop to think that maybe if you want people to take your concerns seriously, you should maybe consider taking their concerns seriously too?

the state of the Earth is everyone’s concern, at least those who will still be living on it.

I don't think the point is that climate policy is irrelevant to anyone in particular, it's that Lumen's "questions" are generally aggressively in a bad faith form. It's not a dialogue between equals if one person always ratchets up the hysteria or goes straight to reductio ad absurdum -- which Lumen does, unfortunately often.

[Senkaku]

Did you ever stop to think that maybe if you want people to take your concerns seriously, you should maybe consider taking their concerns seriously too?

the state of the Earth is everyone’s concern, at least those who will still be living on it.

Is this just a grimly roundabout way of saying the state of the Earth is no one’s concern

[Adamede]

TBH I was expecting more car bombings by now.

We’ve already normalized rammings, but bombings are logistically and technically a lot harder and we have more security measures in place to help prevent them. People tend to kill with whatever’s handy if they can avoid having to do risky secret deals with obvious feds to buy detonators or whatever.

Eh doesn't have to be effective, it just needs to send a point, and gun powder isn't heavily regulated. Pipe bombs are simple enough.

And there's always shootings and stabbings.

[The Jamesian Republic]

When did AL say they wanted to murder people?

Above Leader?

American Legionaries

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Above Leader?

American Legionaries

sorry, I’ve been in F7 too much

[Senkaku]

Pipe bombs are simple enough.

Famous last words of a lot of fingerless maniacs lol

[The Jamesian Republic]

It should also be noted getting a degree makes being allowed to stay in another country generally easier.

Yeah if I’m going to emigrate I’d really prefer not to spend the rest of my life breaking my back digging ditches in Michoacán or something lol

How do you plan to escape?

[Adamede]

Pipe bombs are simple enough.

Famous last words of a lot of fingerless maniacs lol

So the same demographic which would make pipe bombs for terrorist attacks?

[Forsher]

It should also be noted getting a degree makes being allowed to stay in another country generally easier.

Yeah if I’m going to emigrate I’d really prefer not to spend the rest of my life breaking my back digging ditches in Michoacán or something lol

The counter argument is studying in another country is (a) often cheaper for Americans and (b) frequently seen as a backdoor to better immigrant visa classes.

TBH I was expecting more car bombings by now.

We’ve already normalized rammings, but bombings are logistically and technically a lot harder and we have more security measures in place to help prevent them. People tend to kill with whatever’s handy if they can avoid having to do risky secret deals with obvious feds to buy detonators or whatever.

There's a really dark suicide joke that runs something like...

when they switched from bottles of [popular overdose medication] to blister packs, suicides went down. Apparently the pain of being alive is less than popping twenty pills out of a blister pack.

Humans are lazy. Making doing something even marginally more difficult can save lives in all kinds of ways.

Unfortunately for the environment, the laziest option is almost always the worst one.

[Senkaku]

Yeah if I’m going to emigrate I’d really prefer not to spend the rest of my life breaking my back digging ditches in Michoacán or something lol

How do you plan to escape?

I would hardly call it an “escape” at this stage, even by 2024 it probably wouldn’t even rise close to the level of the Russians who took the bullet train to Helsinki once the war started and that wasn’t exactly a harrowing and uncomfortable voyage. It’ll be the same way most people do, just get a job somewhere that’ll get me a work visa; depending on how things go maybe I’ll come back or maybe I’ll try to naturalize or whatever. It’s gonna be a multi-year process, we’ll see if something convinces me to stay I guess but I’m not really seeing what it would be.

[Senkaku]

Yeah if I’m going to emigrate I’d really prefer not to spend the rest of my life breaking my back digging ditches in Michoacán or something lol

The counter argument is studying in another country is (a) often cheaper for Americans and (b) frequently seen as a backdoor to better immigrant visa classes.

Ohh, you meant study for my degree in another country? Yeah it would’ve been cheaper and gotten me better visa options for sure, but unfortunately I did not have my shit together enough in high school to be looking at overseas schools and the idea of emigrating hadn’t occurred to me anyways.

Famous last words of a lot of fingerless maniacs lol

So the same demographic which would make pipe bombs for terrorist attacks?

The point, since I apparently have to write it out in excruciating detail, is that a lot of people who thought building pipe bombs to do terrorism stuff would be “simple enough” ended up blowing their own fingers off

[American Legionaries]

Famous last words of a lot of fingerless maniacs lol

So the same demographic which would make pipe bombs for terrorist attacks?

Pipe bombs really aren't that hard, but they're the tool of the desperate. Anyone who spends the time can cook up something a lot more impressive than gunpowder in a metal tube.