American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[American Legionaries]

A lot of working class white people seem to believe so.

They've been taking in by the Republicans lies and Democrats have not made a concerted effort to bring them back into the fold.

Lmao, 'Republican lies'...

You really can't fathom the idea that people actually disagree with you, can you?

[San Lumen]

They've been taking in by the Republicans lies and Democrats have not made a concerted effort to bring them back into the fold.

Lmao, 'Republican lies'...

You really can't fathom the idea that people actually disagree with you, can you?

I never said that.

[Farnhamia]

And the Republicans are certainly all about helping the working class, uh huh.

A lot of working class white people seem to believe so.

What's that saying about fooling people and how often you can do it? The GOP does very little for working class white people except get them frightened and angry. If the Democrats were better at messaging, Republicans would be an endangered species.

[San Lumen]

A lot of working class white people seem to believe so.

What's that saying about fooling people and how often you can do it? The GOP does very little for working class white people except get them frightened and angry. If the Democrats were better at messaging, Republicans would be an endangered species.

It will take years to undo the damage and rebuild the party in rural areas.

[American Legionaries]

Lmao, 'Republican lies'...

You really can't fathom the idea that people actually disagree with you, can you?

I never said that.

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

[Port Caverton]

A lot of working class white people seem to believe so.

They've been taking in by the Republicans lies and Democrats have not made a concerted effort to bring them back into the fold.

Dems are only going to get those white voters back if they become more moderate on social issues at the expense of minorities

[Prima Scriptura]

I never said that.

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

To be fair, a majority of Republicans support homosexual couples being able to get a civil marriage

[Farnhamia]

I never said that.

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

The lie is in saying that those are bad things. Your path is the path of exclusion. Eventually you'll be all alone with just echoes of your own voice. Well, and maybe Tucker Carlson's voice.

[San Lumen]

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

The lie is in saying that those are bad things. Your path is the path of exclusion. Eventually you'll be all alone with just echoes of your own voice. Well, and maybe Tucker Carlson's voice.

Thats if Republicans haven't made it so its impossible for them to lose and elections are just for show.

[American Legionaries]

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

The lie is in saying that those are bad things. Your path is the path of exclusion. Eventually you'll be all alone with just echoes of your own voice. Well, and maybe Tucker Carlson's voice.

Contrary opinions aren't lies, Farn. That's not how that works.

[Prima Scriptura]

A lot of working class white people seem to believe so.

What's that saying about fooling people and how often you can do it? The GOP does very little for working class white people except get them frightened and angry. If the Democrats were better at messaging, Republicans would be an endangered species.

And Democrats are not doing themselves any favors by calling working class white voters “racist” and “homo/transphobic” either.

[Free Algerstonia]

mccarthy? interesting.

Do we call it the McCarthy hearings?

someone will have to bait our dear minority leader into condemning the communist influences in our armed forces!

[San Lumen]

What's that saying about fooling people and how often you can do it? The GOP does very little for working class white people except get them frightened and angry. If the Democrats were better at messaging, Republicans would be an endangered species.

And Democrats are not doing themselves any favors by calling working class white voters “racist” and “homo/transphobic” either.

No one has called them all racist or homo/transphobic.

[American Legionaries]

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

To be fair, a majority of Republicans support homosexual couples being able to get a civil marriage

The party's hardly a hive mind, and certain people are driven by various issues. Probably half the positions on that list I support, but party dynamics have resulted in my in the party which opposes them.

[San Lumen]

To be fair, a majority of Republicans support homosexual couples being able to get a civil marriage

The party's hardly a hive mind, and certain people are driven by various issues. Probably half the positions on that list I support, but party dynamics have resulted in my in the party which opposes them.

You care about one thing and one thing alone.

[Shrillland]

What's that saying about fooling people and how often you can do it? The GOP does very little for working class white people except get them frightened and angry. If the Democrats were better at messaging, Republicans would be an endangered species.

It will take years to undo the damage and rebuild the party in rural areas.

I'm not sure that it can be done given how the Dems are actually opposed to a lot of farmers on more things than just social issues. A lot of Dems want to see farm subsidies and ethanol subsidies gutted to try to alleviate world poverty, never mind the horrific consequences such measures would have here with the effective price controls such subsidies bring turned off, or the fact that it would make the agribusiness conglomerates ever more powerful as small farmers could no longer hope to make money against foreign imports or big business. Out west, the Dems side against farmers and ranchers on things like water rights and land use rights, something that we who live east of the Mississippi have never had to contemplate because the BLM barely owns land here. On top of all this, the increasingly Democratic mantra of the city as the crowning achievement of civilisation draws a lot of resentment as us rural folks face ever-worsening poverty, drug use, and suicide rates from lack of economic opportunity.

[Czardas]

So which of these things is a "Republican Lie"

Democrats support abortion access
Democrats support marriage between people of the same sex
Democrats support looser immigration policies and oppose the arrest and deportation of people without valid resident visas.
Democrats support stricter regulations on firearm possession and acquisition
Democrats support people being treated as the gender of their choosing, rather than my the gender implied by their birth sex
Democrats support teaching children about long sta ding systemic racism in the United States
Democrats support increasing taxes, specifically punitive consumption taxes

Because as far as I can tell, I've named every single thing I've ever heard someone cite as why they dislike your party, now where's the lie?

The lie is in saying that those are bad things. Your path is the path of exclusion. Eventually you'll be all alone with just echoes of your own voice. Well, and maybe Tucker Carlson's voice.

Honestly, I think the number of people who believe all those things are inherently bad is on the increase in the USA, and will continue to increase for at least another decade or so. Admittedly, my only source is anecdotal evidence, and the statistical polling data shows otherwise (although skewed via inevitable bias, caused by the fact that most people who believe in outlawing abortion and homosexuality and transgenderism and nonwhite immigration, etc, also no longer trust "the media" and thus won't answer any polls unless they're conducted by a right-wing media source they do trust).

I would not say the number of people who support these positions is yet as high as it was in, say, 2004. But I suspect that, if we could somehow get completely accurate data on Americans' beliefs over the last 25 years, most of these items' Likert scale scores would exhibit moderately U-shaped curves.

[San Lumen]

It will take years to undo the damage and rebuild the party in rural areas.

I'm not sure that it can be done given how the Dems are actually opposed to a lot of farmers on more things than just social issues. A lot of Dems want to see farm subsidies and ethanol subsidies gutted to try to alleviate world poverty, never mind the horrific consequences such measures would have here with the effective price controls such subsidies bring turned off, or the fact that it would make the agribusiness conglomerates ever more powerful as small farmers could no longer hope to make money against foreign imports or big business. Out west, the Dems side against farmers and ranchers on things like water rights and land use rights, something that we who live east of the Mississippi have never had to contemplate because the BLM barely owns land here. On top of all this, the increasingly Democratic mantra of the city as the crowning achievement of civilisation draws a lot of resentment as us rural folks face ever-worsening poverty, drug use, and suicide rates from lack of economic opportunity.

ending farm subsides is utterly moronic.

[Necroghastia]

They've been taking in by the Republicans lies and Democrats have not made a concerted effort to bring them back into the fold.

Lmao, 'Republican lies'...

You really can't fathom the idea that people actually disagree with you, can you?

Republican lies like Trump cares? Like Covid is basically the flu? Like illegal immigrants our going to steal your jobs and your women? Like fetal heartbeats matter? Like LGBT people are pedos?

Come the FUCK on Telconi.

[American Legionaries]

The party's hardly a hive mind, and certain people are driven by various issues. Probably half the positions on that list I support, but party dynamics have resulted in my in the party which opposes them.

You care about one thing and one thing alone.

Sure, and I'm unflinching in my willingness to put people like you through any degree of hardship necessary to get it.

[Farnhamia]

The lie is in saying that those are bad things. Your path is the path of exclusion. Eventually you'll be all alone with just echoes of your own voice. Well, and maybe Tucker Carlson's voice.

Contrary opinions aren't lies, Farn. That's not how that works.

Of course it works that way. It's always worked that way. Telling people that contrary opinions are irredeemably bad is a lie. The GOP tells people that because the Democrats support those things, they are actively trying to destroy America. That's a lie and it has led to the lie that the Democratic leaders are pedophile sex-traffickers and the lie that if a Republican loses an election it is because the Democrats cheated.

[Necroghastia]

You care about one thing and one thing alone.

Sure, and I'm unflinching in my willingness to put people like you through any degree of hardship necessary to get it.

Why? And any degree? Anything at all?

[American Legionaries]

Sure, and I'm unflinching in my willingness to put people like you through any degree of hardship necessary to get it.

Why?

Because my rights are more valuable than my enemies' rights. Presuming I even agree with what they're arguing is a right.

[San Lumen]

Why?

Because my rights are more valuable than my enemies' rights. Presuming I even agree with what they're arguing is a right.

even if it means a ruined environment and one party dictatorship.

[Prima Scriptura]

It will take years to undo the damage and rebuild the party in rural areas.

I'm not sure that it can be done given how the Dems are actually opposed to a lot of farmers on more things than just social issues. A lot of Dems want to see farm subsidies and ethanol subsidies gutted to try to alleviate world poverty, never mind the horrific consequences such measures would have here with the effective price controls such subsidies bring turned off, or the fact that it would make the agribusiness conglomerates ever more powerful as small farmers could no longer hope to make money against foreign imports or big business. Out west, the Dems side against farmers and ranchers on things like water rights and land use rights, something that we who live east of the Mississippi have never had to contemplate because the BLM barely owns land here. On top of all this, the increasingly Democratic mantra of the city as the crowning achievement of civilisation draws a lot of resentment as us rural folks face ever-worsening
poverty, drug use, and suicide rates from lack of economic opportunity.

Unless someone that considers themselves a paternalistic conservative, I sympathize with the problems that people in rural areas face. I want to help them along with people experiencing the same issues in urban areas. There’s gonna have to be some class collaboration and we need to drop the “us vs them”

Also, there has to be a limit on the populism that many rural folk embrace. It’s going to come to a point where anybody that has more than a high school diploma, this includes associates and trade schools is part of the “elite”.