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The Genderbender Reset Hypothetical

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Do you press the button?

Yes, yes, yes, it's rewind time!
11
17%
Yes, yes, no. Knowledge is a curse.
3
5%
Yes, no, no. Reset life on the edge!
3
5%
No, no, no. I said NO.
23
35%
No, no, yes. Continue the cycle.
0
No votes
No, yes, yes. Context desired.
5
8%
No, yes, no. The safety choice.
15
23%
Yes, no, yes. Deliberation's for losers!
2
3%
Whatever Hasselhoff tells me to do.
3
5%
 
Total votes : 65

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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Wed May 11, 2022 3:29 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
What if my parents already had a name thought of for me that's not my opposite's gender equivalent? Do I get that instead?

I think ewe get whatever name ewe want

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Galloism
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Postby Galloism » Wed May 11, 2022 3:31 pm

How long do we have to decide? IE, could I decide when I'm like 80.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed May 11, 2022 3:47 pm

Galloism wrote:How long do we have to decide? IE, could I decide when I'm like 80.

If you make it that long...
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
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The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

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Postby Galloism » Wed May 11, 2022 3:54 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Galloism wrote:How long do we have to decide? IE, could I decide when I'm like 80.

If you make it that long...

Can I install a timed dead man switch that I have to reset once a week, and if I don't reset it, it pushes the button.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby South Reinkalistan » Wed May 11, 2022 3:56 pm

idc i'm gorgeous either way
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed May 11, 2022 4:00 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:If you make it that long...

Can I install a timed dead man switch that I have to reset once a week, and if I don't reset it, it pushes the button.

You may already be dead. You trying to be lady jesus?
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Galloism
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Postby Galloism » Wed May 11, 2022 4:20 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Galloism wrote:Can I install a timed dead man switch that I have to reset once a week, and if I don't reset it, it pushes the button.

You may already be dead. You trying to be lady jesus?

He didn't say you couldn't push the button after you're dead.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed May 11, 2022 4:24 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:You may already be dead. You trying to be lady jesus?

He didn't say you couldn't push the button after you're dead.


I dont think I argued otherwise
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Adamede
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Postby Adamede » Wed May 11, 2022 4:51 pm

Heloin wrote:Dad's bald and doesn't grow facial hair too well. Little Brother is already seeing hair loss at 23. No thanks.

Yah thats rough.

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Postby Sordhau » Wed May 11, 2022 4:57 pm

Heloin wrote:Dad's bald and doesn't grow facial hair too well. Little Brother is already seeing hair loss at 23. No thanks.


Genderbent Heloin is now canonically a skinhead. :p
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Postby Rhodevus » Fri May 13, 2022 2:46 pm

gimme that button!
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Postby Hamidiye » Fri May 13, 2022 2:48 pm

Hell no.
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Postby Kannap » Fri May 13, 2022 3:12 pm

Chan Island wrote:Seeing these hypotheticals knocking about, I reckoned it was high time I contributed one too.


Say you are given a small device with a single button. One long, hard, intentional press of this button will see you reset the world to the point of your birth. You will be reborn as the opposite sex-


*hits the button*
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Postby The Holy Therns » Fri May 13, 2022 5:44 pm

I'd reroll. This one sucked.
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Postby Luna Amore » Fri May 13, 2022 8:08 pm

Galloism wrote:How long do we have to decide? IE, could I decide when I'm like 80.

That was my first thought. If I can use it as a second playthrough of life? Sure. At the moment, nah, I'll pass.

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Postby Page » Sun May 15, 2022 11:58 pm

Me growing up as a girl would fucking suck. There are a lot of reasons why I was lucky to be born male.

One, I am someone who doesn't give a fuck what people think of my appearance and I dress exclusively for comfort. It would have been a lot harder to get away with wearing cheap, loose-fitting clothes as a girl. In my real life my parents made me miserable enough trying to stop me from doing what I wanted with my clothes and hair. Opposite sex the misery would be turned up to 11.

Two, my parents would have been much more oppressive all around. My mom actually said to me so many times throughout my childhood and teens "if you were a girl I would never let you do this." They wouldn't have let me go out skating by myself which was one of the only times I felt truly happy and at peace. My mom would have definitely controlled my diet if I were a girl. Adults in general would be much more hostile to my liberal use of profanity. I would have been extra sexually repressed.

And then there are the people I'd be destined to meet like my best friend who moved into my neighborhood at 7, come puberty he would 100% fall in love with me and I wouldn't be able to reciprocate. I imagine down the line I'd go FWB with him and it would be good for a while but he'd really want to get married and I just wouldn't be down for it and then we would both be alone. And I would never have gotten with my wife either because she isn't bicurious enough for that.

Also in the present I would be a 30-year-old woman desperately scrounging up the money to get myself sterilized because my life would be ruined by crippling anxiety of being raped and forced to give birth. And even once I got the money together it might take me a year or more to find a doctor willing to sterilize a childless 30 year old woman.

No, I am an incorrigible rebel and a wreckage of mental illness who needs my male privilege to survive.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon May 16, 2022 7:16 am

No. It would feel very wrongful. This is even worse than changing the races/ethnicities of characters from fiction arbitrarily. My gender must not be altered. This is truly a horrific concept.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon May 16, 2022 7:38 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:No. It would feel very wrongful. This is even worse than changing the races/ethnicities of characters from fiction arbitrarily. My gender must not be altered. This is truly a horrific concept.

I am thinking gallo had a pretty good idea with the Deadman's switch.

Doing 80 years as a boy then girl would be interesting
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Mon May 16, 2022 8:42 am

No.

I had an incredibly privileged adolescence that gave me brilliant opportunities on which I’ve built my later adult life. But I was not a very privileged child, and if I go back to before I lucked into all those excellent opportunities (say, this would be 2007-2008ish) that I enjoyed and still enjoy, there’s no guarantee that I will luck into them again.

I like the idea of getting to start over with all my adult memories. I like the idea of doing it as a person of a different gender even more. But I don’t like these ideas so much that I’m willing to give up on the life I do have to try it.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon May 16, 2022 10:43 am

Nothing would change for me, except maybe being similar to Kuroki Tomoko, but without trying to be popular or liked. Content with a small group or being in my own world.
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Postby Hukhalia » Mon May 16, 2022 10:46 am

not hitting the button (provided you're not in a page-like situation) is symptomatic of the highest form of cowardice
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon May 16, 2022 11:21 am

Hukhalia wrote:not hitting the button (provided you're not in a page-like situation) is symptomatic of the highest form of cowardice


Cowardice my ass, I like having balls.

That said for another 80 years I do gallo's Deadman button.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Hukhalia » Mon May 16, 2022 11:28 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hukhalia wrote:not hitting the button (provided you're not in a page-like situation) is symptomatic of the highest form of cowardice


Cowardice my ass, I like having balls.

That said for another 80 years I do gallo's Deadman button.

"I like having balls"

Being born AFAB doesn't render that an impossibility. Modern medicine is amazing.
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Postby Bistritza » Mon May 16, 2022 11:51 am

Question 3 makes this deterministic, any combination you have until this point:

2) You are informed that you have pressed this button before.

Doesn't matter. The Game makes it a rule that you are convinced by this. I don't know how I am informed, I don't know who does it (the Narrator lumping into the 5th wall presumably), I don't know how they're successful - but apparently I believe it. We're also assuming that this information is correct, so we believe that this exact scenario happened before and I still chose to Reset. IF you don't get the information (option 1), then the question doesn't even exist, the tree ends at Question 2.

Question 1 isn't more than a plot device to start the Game.

Question 2 is the only one where you have a choice to play this out or not. If you play this out, you will always get NYY or YYY. If you don't, why you here?
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon May 16, 2022 8:28 pm

i'd keep it as a failsafe tbh but being a woman would be pretty cool

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