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Zero Battery State?

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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 10, 2022 5:27 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Hispida wrote:what if the person in question just really needs to be punched


My understanding is that the law doesn't allow for that, not under the context of provocation alone.

Depends on the law, and in theory your button should account for that. For a fairly long time if you caught a guy messing around with your wife and killed him, there would be a "hot blooded " defense and you would get off.
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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue May 10, 2022 5:29 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
My understanding is that the law doesn't allow for that, not under the context of provocation alone.

Depends on the law, and in theory your button should account for that. For a fairly long time if you caught a guy messing around with your wife and killed him, there would be a "hot blooded " defense and you would get off.


Oh? Is that still the case in some forms of Islamic law?

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Postby Hispida » Tue May 10, 2022 5:34 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
My understanding is that the law doesn't allow for that, not under the context of provocation alone.

Depends on the law, and in theory your button should account for that. For a fairly long time if you caught a guy messing around with your wife and killed him, there would be a "hot blooded " defense and you would get off.

more in the vein of "pedophiles and white nationalists deserve to get btfo"
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 10, 2022 5:43 am

Hispida wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Depends on the law, and in theory your button should account for that. For a fairly long time if you caught a guy messing around with your wife and killed him, there would be a "hot blooded " defense and you would get off.

more in the vein of "pedophiles and white nationalists deserve to get btfo"


The point is the button should accommodate for what the law is at the time of the violence, If it was justified the button shouldn't incarcerate the hitter.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 10, 2022 5:48 am

What happens if I change the law so as to redefine battery to be the crime of posting threads about magic buttons, with a sentence of life, and with retroactive application, and global jurisdiction.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue May 10, 2022 5:55 am

I am taking a screwdriver and use it to disassemble the button from wherever it is attached to and have a look.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 10, 2022 6:03 am

Ifreann wrote:What happens if I change the law so as to redefine battery to be the crime of posting threads about magic buttons, with a sentence of life, and with retroactive application, and global jurisdiction.

Poor Heloin, we hardly knew her.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=514752&hilit=Push+the+button
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 10, 2022 6:05 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What happens if I change the law so as to redefine battery to be the crime of posting threads about magic buttons, with a sentence of life, and with retroactive application, and global jurisdiction.

Poor Heloin, we hardly knew her.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=514752&hilit=Push+the+button

The law must be upheld.

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Fartsniffage
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue May 10, 2022 7:59 am

Awww. I thought this thread was going to be something cool about the Opportunity rover. :(

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue May 10, 2022 8:16 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Awww. I thought this thread was going to be something cool about the Opportunity rover. :(


I do take suggestions for future threads, though I make no promises to use them. I'm unofficially a hypothetical scenarios generator.

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Postby Heloin » Tue May 10, 2022 12:28 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Poor Heloin, we hardly knew her.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=514752&hilit=Push+the+button

The law must be upheld.

Tough but fair.

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Postby Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs » Tue May 10, 2022 12:30 pm

No! I want to beat people up! >:(
I dont really post, im mostly just watching threads.

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Postby Kannap » Tue May 10, 2022 1:30 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

You can press a single button to bring forth a Zero Battery State. In this new world, everything is the same except when you commit an act of battery (with no valid defense), you will automatically be teleported away to do some jail time in another dimension (with 100 percent human rights protection) based on the proper number of years based on where you live.

No more incidents like Will Smith slapping Chris Rock done on live camera and the state failing to act, no more years of unacceptable domestic abuse in the style of Amber Heard. The system calculates and executes with 100 accuracy and perfection.

The pressing of the button is irrevocable. The system calculates all mitigating factors. If other crimes are tied to the battery the system will try them as well with zero failure rate. Assume that if pressed, world governments will 100 percent recognize its authority and not impose double jeopardy (though you could still face civil lawsuit claims when you come out). The system shall impose and process fines and damages with perfection too. All processed results are publicized to the masses at large.

Do you press the button?

Or are you concerned with the technical fact that there isn’t a trial by jury/judge and there’s no technical appeal? Are the results important or is the process important? What are your views on the laws regarding battery, what they’re supposed to be and how they are in practice enforced?

Please justify.

Absolutely. There should be no hitting and this will be a major deterrence against battery. Since the system convicts with accuracy, then theoretically in my view it’s a pretty clear case if you are result-oriented to press the button. Battery is a serious societal problem.


1. Fuck that

2. Are you seriously not over the Will Smith thing yet? Let it go already.
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Postby Kannap » Tue May 10, 2022 1:33 pm

Hamidiye wrote:Please define "battery". And don't say "Double-A". :D


I'll be honest with you, when I read the title and then, at first skim, saw the "No more Will Smith incidents on live television," I legit thought for a moment that IM's solution to that was to magically destroy every single battery - and therefore every battery-operated electronic device - on the planet.
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Postby Kannap » Tue May 10, 2022 1:35 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Galloism wrote:How does it work if battery and murder are intertwined.

IE, in order to avoid instant teleportation preventing the deed, you shoot someone execution style while they sleep. That’s certainly battery, as a lesser included offense to murder.

But how will you face trial for murder if you are in extradimensional jail for battery? You have a right to face your accuser.


I think the idea is that your rights under the law are waived. The results are factually perfect but the process wouldn’t be a “proper courtroom.”

So the correct number of years/fines is reached that would be reached in a lengthy but correctly run courtroom.


So... not 100% human rights protection then?

Infected Mushroom wrote:you will automatically be teleported away to do some jail time in another dimension (with 100 percent human rights protection)
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Postby Kannap » Tue May 10, 2022 1:54 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What happens if I change the law so as to redefine battery to be the crime of posting threads about magic buttons, with a sentence of life, and with retroactive application, and global jurisdiction.

Poor Heloin, we hardly knew her.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=514752&hilit=Push+the+button


The button in this hypothetical, as a central point to the plot, is not magical.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 10, 2022 1:59 pm

Kannap wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Poor Heloin, we hardly knew her.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=514752&hilit=Push+the+button


The button in this hypothetical, as a central point to the plot, is not magical.

All buttons are magical, or do i have to get Will Smith to explain it to you?
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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Tue May 10, 2022 2:57 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Galloism wrote:How does it work if battery and murder are intertwined.

IE, in order to avoid instant teleportation preventing the deed, you shoot someone execution style while they sleep. That’s certainly battery, as a lesser included offense to murder.

But how will you face trial for murder if you are in extradimensional jail for battery? You have a right to face your accuser.


I think the idea is that your rights under the law are waived. The results are factually perfect but the process wouldn’t be a “proper courtroom.”

So the correct number of years/fines is reached that would be reached in a lengthy but correctly run courtroom.

Then the hypothetical is useless. We invented the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty because we saw what societies without it were like.
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Postby Adamede » Tue May 10, 2022 3:20 pm

Thought this was going to be about getting rid of all AAA's and shit.

Why are you so worked up about a slap dude? Afraid people might start slapping you if you run your mouth at them?
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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Tue May 10, 2022 3:44 pm

Adamede wrote:Thought this was going to be about getting rid of all AAA's and shit.

Why are you so worked up about a slap dude? Afraid people might start slapping you if you run your mouth at them?

You know, this sort of shit makes me wonder if that's how IM turned out the way he did in the first place. When a site full of people who say "insults never justify violence" in response to (supposed) stories about guys hitting girls over insults turns around and makes excuses for guys who hit other guys over insults about a girl, then mocks the people who speak out about this, fantasize about them being subjected to violence, insinuate it would be justified over their opinions, etc... can you blame people for thinking they're the only moral people fighting the uphill battle against a sea of filth?

Y'all are lucky webforum shit is trivial or y'all could be sued for the people you've radicalized.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue May 10, 2022 3:45 pm

Adamede wrote:Thought this was going to be about getting rid of all AAA's and shit.

Why are you so worked up about a slap dude? Afraid people might start slapping you if you run your mouth at them?

You'll be fine as long as you keep his wife's name out yo' fucking mouth.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue May 10, 2022 3:56 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kannap wrote:
The button in this hypothetical, as a central point to the plot, is not magical.

All buttons are magical, or do i have to get Will Smith to explain it to you?


Pushing Will Smith's buttons won't result in anything magical.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 10, 2022 3:58 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:All buttons are magical, or do i have to get Will Smith to explain it to you?


Pushing Will Smith's buttons won't result in anything magical.


We will rediscuss this when next years Oscar ratings come in.
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Postby Adamede » Tue May 10, 2022 4:04 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
Adamede wrote:Thought this was going to be about getting rid of all AAA's and shit.

Why are you so worked up about a slap dude? Afraid people might start slapping you if you run your mouth at them?

You know, this sort of shit makes me wonder if that's how IM turned out the way he did in the first place. When a site full of people who say "insults never justify violence" in response to (supposed) stories about guys hitting girls over insults turns around and makes excuses for guys who hit other guys over insults about a girl, then mocks the people who speak out about this, fantasize about them being subjected to violence, insinuate it would be justified over their opinions, etc... can you blame people for thinking they're the only moral people fighting the uphill battle against a sea of filth?

Y'all are lucky webforum shit is trivial or y'all could be sued for the people you've radicalized.

And then everyone clapped.

If you think I'm advocating for or fantasizing about violence against IM then report me, and point out where in my comment I stated that.

And I there are many terms I'd use to describe IM, but "moral" isnt one of them.
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Postby Dylar » Tue May 10, 2022 4:20 pm

do I get to charge my phone battery?
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