Re: Exploitation of Labour?

[Infected Mushroom]

In the judicial system in the hypothetical, murder is infinitely more serious.

Yes, in this fictional world legal system is one designed by loons as far as I can tell. That doesn’t actually have much relevance on the thought process of us “normal” people who do not exist in the toon town.

Kidnapping doesn't carry a life sentence, but murder does, even in the west.

[Heloin]

Yes, in this fictional world legal system is one designed by loons as far as I can tell. That doesn’t actually have much relevance on the thought process of us “normal” people who do not exist in the toon town.

Kidnapping doesn't carry a life sentence, but murder does, even in the west.

Where I live it does.

[Infected Mushroom]

Kidnapping doesn't carry a life sentence, but murder does, even in the west.

Where I live it does.

In Florida?

[Heloin]

Where I live it does.

In Florida?

Looking it up it’s also a life sentence in Hong Kong.

[Infected Mushroom]

Just from Google:

"Kidnapping convictions can result in lengthy prison sentences, including life sentences in some situations and states. Sentences of 20 years or more are common for first-degree or aggravated kidnapping, while minimum sentences of five years or more are common for second-degree kidnapping."

So it seems that 20 is the average for premeditated?

[Heloin]

Just from Google:

"Kidnapping convictions can result in lengthy prison sentences, including life sentences in some situations and states. Sentences of 20 years or more are common for first-degree or aggravated kidnapping, while minimum sentences of five years or more are common for second-degree kidnapping."

So it seems that 20 is the average for premeditated?

I know I’ve been over this with you before but when the phrase twenty to life means life. The wording means parol won’t be an option for at least twenty years.

[Infected Mushroom]

Just from Google:

"Kidnapping convictions can result in lengthy prison sentences, including life sentences in some situations and states. Sentences of 20 years or more are common for first-degree or aggravated kidnapping, while minimum sentences of five years or more are common for second-degree kidnapping."

So it seems that 20 is the average for premeditated?

I know I’ve been over this with you before but when the phrase twenty to life means life. The wording means parol won’t be an option for at least twenty years.

Okay well you know... as I say, this is a different universe. Here, there are some special deals that can be situationally reached, but murder is considered off limits for such things.

IRL maybe what you say is true.

[Heloin]

I know I’ve been over this with you before but when the phrase twenty to life means life. The wording means parol won’t be an option for at least twenty years.

Okay well you know... as I say, this is a different universe. Here, there are some special deals that can be situationally reached, but murder is considered off limits for such things.

IRL maybe what you say is true.

Yes, in this fictional world legal system is one designed by loons as far as I can tell. That doesn’t actually have much relevance on the thought process of us “normal” people who do not exist in the toon town.

[Infected Mushroom]

Okay well you know... as I say, this is a different universe. Here, there are some special deals that can be situationally reached, but murder is considered off limits for such things.

IRL maybe what you say is true.

Yes, in this fictional world legal system is one designed by loons as far as I can tell. That doesn’t actually have much relevance on the thought process of us “normal” people who do not exist in the toon town.

It's a difference in the cultural norms and assumptions of the societies.

[Heloin]

It's a difference in the cultural norms and assumptions of the societies.

It doesn’t make any sense.

[Infected Mushroom]

It's a difference in the cultural norms and assumptions of the societies.

It doesn’t make any sense.

Murder would literally end a life. Hence the non-negotiability aspect in most cases.

[Heloin]

It doesn’t make any sense.

Murder would literally end a life. Hence the non-negotiability aspect in most cases.

Who do you think you are arguing against?

[Infected Mushroom]

Murder would literally end a life. Hence the non-negotiability aspect in most cases.

Who do you think you are arguing against?

I'm just stating the culture-specific rationale for the difference in the law and order policies for these crimes. To provide context.

[Kannap]

You don't really have that kind of complete autonomy as a minor. You're basically a subject of your parents until adulthood, and even then, they might have undue economic influence.

The parents lord over your property (and they have "delegated" some responsibilities to you which they can literally interfere with and alter for whatever their reason, even revoke) and now they also lord over Anna. By simply giving birth to you and staying within the lines of the law, they hold nearly complete authority over you as a person until you are past that age line set by society. They represent parental authority to the max in the scenario.

I would simply leave my horrible disgusting parents and this horrible disgusting society because I’m built different.

Come Heloin, let us run from home and join the circus local underground revolutionary group

[Kannap]

Don't worry, if I murder the lady I'll be able to talk my sentence down to community service. The legal system in this scenario is silly

She didn't commit any murders. Murders are taken very seriously.

Considering other serious crimes don't appear to be taken very seriously, I'm not inclined to believe that

[Thermodolia]

No it’s not worse. I’d much rather do hard labor for a year than to go to prison for a day.

Then we differ on that.

That’s because you’ve never been to prison or been inside them. I have. They are soul sucking places that I want to avoid at all costs

[South Olpen]

Change my decision; force her to revoke the contract and send her back to the clink for life. Or worse....

Oh? With what tactics?

Well. There is certainly vagueness in 'employment benefits,' is being able to sleep an employment benefit? Is using modern equipment an employment benefit?

IE, make her cut the lawn with safety scissors non-stop for 48 hrs at a time

[Nationalist Northumbria]

A lot of people think they're being innovative by mocking IM's scenario. Well, they're not. They should take it seriously or have the decency to not reply at all. With that said, I picked Option 8.

[The Two Jerseys]

A lot of people think they're being innovative by mocking IM's scenario. Well, they're not. They should take it seriously or have the decency to not reply at all. With that said, I picked Option 8.

Who died and left you in charge of NSG?

[Infected Mushroom]

A lot of people think they're being innovative by mocking IM's scenario. Well, they're not. They should take it seriously or have the decency to not reply at all. With that said, I picked Option 8.

Many thanks!

[Infected Mushroom]

Oh? With what tactics?

Well. There is certainly vagueness in 'employment benefits,' is being able to sleep an employment benefit? Is using modern equipment an employment benefit?

IE, make her cut the lawn with safety scissors non-stop for 48 hrs at a time

I’d say that excessive sleep deprivation could breach the line into reckless/intentional endangerment.

That said though, there’s a lot of room/flexibility in assigning frustrating and unpleasant tasks because that’s an intended/foreseeable part of the sanction. So technically speaking, if you wanted her to be cutting lawns for many days with plastic scissors and the parents threatened to get rid of the deal if she does poorly, it’s something that’s allowed. The downside though is that you wouldn’t be necessarily be getting the best value out of her free labour. You’d have to weigh the perceived the subjective gains against the value of tasks that need to be done/could be profitably done on the property.

[South Olpen]

Well. There is certainly vagueness in 'employment benefits,' is being able to sleep an employment benefit? Is using modern equipment an employment benefit?

IE, make her cut the lawn with safety scissors non-stop for 48 hrs at a time

I’d say that excessive sleep deprivation could breach the line into reckless/intentional endangerment.

That said though, there’s a lot of room/flexibility in assigning frustrating and unpleasant tasks because that’s an intended/foreseeable part of the sanction. So technically speaking, if you wanted her to be cutting lawns for many days with plastic scissors and the parents threatened to get rid of the deal if she does poorly, it’s something that’s allowed. The downside though is that you wouldn’t be necessarily be getting the best value out of her free labour. You’d have to weigh the perceived the subjective gains against the value of tasks that need to be done/could be profitably done on the property.

The benefits is me, my sister, and my dog not getting our eyes gouged out in retribution by that psycho.... so

[Heloin]

I would simply leave my horrible disgusting parents and this horrible disgusting society because I’m built different.

Come Heloin, let us run from home and join the circus local underground revolutionary group

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath its folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here

[Bistritza]

jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Infected Mushroom]

I’d say that excessive sleep deprivation could breach the line into reckless/intentional endangerment.

That said though, there’s a lot of room/flexibility in assigning frustrating and unpleasant tasks because that’s an intended/foreseeable part of the sanction. So technically speaking, if you wanted her to be cutting lawns for many days with plastic scissors and the parents threatened to get rid of the deal if she does poorly, it’s something that’s allowed. The downside though is that you wouldn’t be necessarily be getting the best value out of her free labour. You’d have to weigh the perceived the subjective gains against the value of tasks that need to be done/could be profitably done on the property.

The benefits is me, my sister, and my dog not getting our eyes gouged out in retribution by that psycho.... so

There's also two police officers to help you control her and in the event that the parents aren't satisfied, they revoke/threaten to revoke the deal at any point. Furthermore, the state reserves the right to press further charges against her. There's a lot of mechanisms of control.

There's a lot of leeway for you to assign tasks provided they aren't endangerment. Three months is enough time to finish a great number of house and yard projects.