Re: Exploitation of Labour?

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

The benefits is me, my sister, and my dog not getting our eyes gouged out in retribution by that psycho.... so

There's also two police officers to help you control her and in the event that the parents aren't satisfied, they revoke/threaten to revoke the deal at any point. Furthermore, the state reserves the right to press further charges against her. There's a lot of mechanisms of control.

There's a lot of leeway for you to assign tasks provided they aren't endangerment. Three months is enough time to finish a great number of house and yard projects.

so there’s just two police officers just standing around all the time? this situation got even more awkward somehow.

[Infected Mushroom]

There's also two police officers to help you control her and in the event that the parents aren't satisfied, they revoke/threaten to revoke the deal at any point. Furthermore, the state reserves the right to press further charges against her. There's a lot of mechanisms of control.

There's a lot of leeway for you to assign tasks provided they aren't endangerment. Three months is enough time to finish a great number of house and yard projects.

so there’s just two police officers just standing around all the time? this situation got even more awkward somehow.

They're some of the best trained in the force, though they will mostly be keeping at a distance, watching and only intervening if things get out of line.

[Eahland]

Okay, so:

1. Parents leaving young children (I don't see that you actually specify our character's age anywhere, but given that you ripped 90% of this off from Home Alone, I'm assuming we're Macauley Culkin) alone while they go off on a business trip is criminally irresponsible. Child protective services should be getting involved right off the bat. Your assertion that this is totally legal in this setting just makes your setting less believable.

2. This is doubly true in a setting where apparently kidnapping/extortion rings are common.

3. And redoubled when the kids don't even have a phone available. It's amazing how many places in this setup you apparently realized that there were fatal flaws that would prevent the scenario from unfolding the way you wanted it to, but rather than junking it and trying to write one that actually worked in some kind of sensible fashion, you just slapped on a nonsensical patch and forged ahead.

4. Stop cribbing your fight scenes from Home Alone. I'm not going to argue about the quality of that movie, because de gustibus non est disputandum, but in any case slapstick comedy is not conducive to serious consideration of the scenario, and the whole fight narrative is just a bunch of unnecessary verbiage irrelevant to the actual question anyway. We don't need a play-by-play of the whole nonsensical thing to consider philosophical questions inherent in it. ... You are aware that Home Alone is not a realistic representation of anything whatsoever, right? It's only a little this side of Wile E. Coyote in terms of how anything would actually work in reality.

5. Exchange a "very lengthy" prison sentence for 90 days community service? No shit she signs it. This is not even a remotely equivalent tradeoff, which implies that this is not in any way an appropriate sentence for her crimes.

6. Putting a convicted felon in the insecure home of her child victims — whose criminally irresponsible parents are still absent — is also criminally irresponsible. The absolute best case scenario here is within a week she's left for greener pastures. And no, your two "elite police officers" aren't going to prevent it. There's a reason prisons have high walls and fences and locked gates and security cameras and razor wire and strongly controlled access to potential tools and weapons and so on, you know? It's so you don't have to have someone watching every prisoner every second of the day in order to keep them from just walking away.

7. If this police force has enough manpower to assign two "elite police officers" to a single felon just as watchdogs, this society has way too many cops. Maybe if they had them actually out fighting crime, they wouldn't have this big problem with kidnapping and extortion rings. Maybe they could shift some funding into child protective services while they're at it.

[Infected Mushroom]

So assuming this home alone senario takes place in say.... Pakistan or Ethopia Finding the phone line would be the best course of action.

after that I assume number 1 or 2 would be the best option

Are you saying option 1 and 2 are more conscionable? Because there’s less risk of overwork?

[Chan Island]

Cool.

Fortunately, I currently have relatives who aren't wannabe lordling sociopaths and if I have those in this scenario, I go live with them instead of folks who want me to hang out with a goddamn kidnapper for money.

And sane societies allow a degree of scope to allow to choose to do so.

I don't know. I didn't really enjoy any freedom of mobility or speech until adulthood. So the hypothetical draws from my own life as premises etc. If I had tried to leave for an aunt or uncle I'd have been locked into a room for days and hard threatened if not much worse.

....That's awful. I'm sorry to read this. Nobody deserves this kind of abuse.

[Kannap]

There's also two police officers to help you control her and in the event that the parents aren't satisfied, they revoke/threaten to revoke the deal at any point. Furthermore, the state reserves the right to press further charges against her. There's a lot of mechanisms of control.

There's a lot of leeway for you to assign tasks provided they aren't endangerment. Three months is enough time to finish a great number of house and yard projects.

so there’s just two police officers just standing around all the time? this situation got even more awkward somehow.

Three criminals in my house? My parents really don't give a flying fuck about my safety

[Infected Mushroom]

Anyone have a list of tasks?

[The Two Jerseys]

Anyone have a list of tasks?

Clean the inner workings of the combine harvester.

[Kannap]

Anyone have a list of tasks?

1. Take a long walk off a short pier

[Infected Mushroom]

All tasks should be safe (though they may be labor intensive).

[Kannap]

All tasks should be safe (though they may be labor intensive).

"labor intensive slavery" and "safe" aren't descriptors of the same thing.

[Eahland]

All tasks should be safe (though they may be labor intensive).

Safe for us, or safe for the convicted felon who tried to drug and kidnap us and who is now living in our insecure home?

[Space Squid]

All tasks should be safe (though they may be labor intensive).

Safe for us, or safe for the convicted felon who tried to drug and kidnap us and who is now living in our insecure home?

Yeah, this legal system is like that part in the Old Testament where they punish rape by forcing the rapist to marry the victim.

[Heloin]

All tasks should be safe (though they may be labor intensive).

"labor intensive slavery" and "safe" aren't descriptors of the same thing.

So long as Osha regulations are followed most tasks can be safe. Granted I strongly doubt that Osha would exist in this kind of scenario.

[Infected Mushroom]

"labor intensive slavery" and "safe" aren't descriptors of the same thing.

So long as Osha regulations are followed most tasks can be safe. Granted I strongly doubt that Osha would exist in this kind of scenario.

What are those?

[Chan Island]

Anyone have a list of tasks?

Yes- the door.

To prison.

Where actual justice will be fulfilled instead of this victim-punishing arrangement.

So long as Osha regulations are followed most tasks can be safe. Granted I strongly doubt that Osha would exist in this kind of scenario.

What are those?

Osha is the workplace safety regulator in the US. Standard rules for that type of thing; personal protection in dangerous environments, minimum standard for hours & breaks, specialist roles to be certified etc.

Of course, it would be a giant assumption to assume workers rights exist in this universe, which begs the question: would the kidnapper be subject to workplace safety regulations in this scenario?

[Infected Mushroom]

Anyone have a list of tasks?

Yes- the door.

To prison.

Where actual justice will be fulfilled instead of this victim-punishing arrangement.

What are those?

Osha is the workplace safety regulator in the US. Standard rules for that type of thing; personal protection in dangerous environments, minimum standard for hours & breaks, specialist roles to be certified etc.

Of course, it would be a giant assumption to assume workers rights exist in this universe, which begs the question: would the kidnapper be subject to workplace safety regulations in this scenario?

The jurisprudence in this universe would suggest they would be subject to a standard slightly (but not substantially lower) lower than workplace safety regulations.

However, they’d have no entitlement to days off, wages, or statutory holidays. Hence they are framed in the hypothetical as benefits you may selectively confer based on your personality.

[Adamede]

How about we don’t use slave labor as a punishment?

[Heloin]

Yes- the door.

To prison.

Where actual justice will be fulfilled instead of this victim-punishing arrangement.



Osha is the workplace safety regulator in the US. Standard rules for that type of thing; personal protection in dangerous environments, minimum standard for hours & breaks, specialist roles to be certified etc.

Of course, it would be a giant assumption to assume workers rights exist in this universe, which begs the question: would the kidnapper be subject to workplace safety regulations in this scenario?

The jurisprudence in this universe would suggest they would be subject to a standard slightly (but not substantially lower) lower than workplace safety regulations.

Got it. We don't have to follow proper lockout-tagout with the combine harvester. I expect it to be fully working by the morning.

However, they’d have no entitlement to days off, wages, or statutory holidays. Hence they are framed in the hypothetical as benefits you may selectively confer based on your personality.

She should form a union then.